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I do know people who have gone that route. It's a bit too much for me. I do like some beef tartar and ultra-rare steaks, but that's where I draw the line. There's no raw chicken or pork in my sights. lol0
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GrannyMayOz wrote: »
I've just read the whole site - thank you Moonius, that was a great link!Interesting article. Three reasons why zero carb is easier than low carb
myzerocarblife.jamesdhogan.com/wp/2015/02/three-reasons-zero-carb-easier-low-carb/
Agreed. I really need to get some work done, but I was having a hard time peeling myself away from it!
The way I carry my weight, I need to weigh a lot more than she did for it to go "out" like that and not fit in roller coaster (I probably have 4-6 inches on her), but I can still relate. One of the things I really enjoy doing is horseback riding, but everyone's got a 250lb limit. It's that that has largely kept me going, even when it's seemed like a hopeless goal (my max weight was "only" about 285, and I've been between 240 and 260 for the past couple of years, but that is its own source of frustration, especially when my body's been so resistant to letting the weight go).0 -
Can't recall if it has been posted, but I saw a Paleo Vegan cookbook at the store today (in the Produce Section of course!!)0
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I'm with you Dragon. I have activities I want to participate in that have a 250 weight limit too.... like ziplining. I've now reached that goal, but its still too dang cold in Michigan to even consider sliding down a wire at 15 mph!
I'd love to horseback ride again, or roller coasters, or motorcycles, or kayaks, or try rapelling again without the weight, or swim without fighting natures 'floating device'.... LOL
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LesleyJDee wrote: »How about Pescatarian Keto (eats no animal flesh but fish and includes eggs & dairy) or Octo Vegetarian Keto (as above but without the fish).
Octo? Do you mean Ovo?
Maybe they only eat octopus. >_>
Takoyaki is sadly not very keto-friendly... hehe
Lacto-ovo vegetarian would be one who has dairy (lacto) and eggs (ovo).
-T.
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LesleyJDee wrote: »How about Pescatarian Keto (eats no animal flesh but fish and includes eggs & dairy) or Octo Vegetarian Keto (as above but without the fish).
Octo? Do you mean Ovo?
Maybe they only eat octopus. >_>
Takoyaki is sadly not very keto-friendly... hehe
Lacto-ovo vegetarian would be one who has dairy (lacto) and eggs (ovo).
-T.
Octo sounds more interesting. So many possibilities...0 -
LesleyJDee wrote: »How about Pescatarian Keto (eats no animal flesh but fish and includes eggs & dairy) or Octo Vegetarian Keto (as above but without the fish).
Octo? Do you mean Ovo?
NAH…. she means Octopus and eating eggs of fish..hahahahah0 -
My mother lives in a retirement village and the on-site restaurant does an 'Offal Lunch' once a month. The very thought of it turns my stomach. Though I can eat liver and kidneys, the thought of tripe and brains is too far beyond my grasp.0
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I made sweetbreads a while back. Those were delicious. But, I just don't eat that much offal. I like it, well enough, but I would rather just have a steak.0
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This will gross out some people, but I pride myself on my headcheese. I've been making it for years, but now I get to use real heads instead of just pork feet and hocks like I used to use ! Now that I get all my meat from the farm, I can have all the spare parts I want for free. The pigs we eat are a large black heritage breed and the heads are rather large, so my farmer cuts it up into several pieces for me. The head is just like any other piece of meat with bone, and the cheeks have a lot of meat on them.
I use one part pork head, one part pork feet, one part pork hocks and one piece of beef shank and just cover it with water and cook. Once it all cooks down and falls apart and I separate the meat, and remove the stuff I don't want to eat, I place the shreds of delectable fatty meat into a glass lasagna pan. I season the stock, add a bit of crushed garlic and pour the stock, which is rich with tons of gelatin over the meat and chill. Then I can hardly wait to eat it. The smell of the garlicky meat is too good, and it is the best meat jello ever.
I am paleo/primal/keto. You can tell my yard by the bull skull in the garden.
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That amuses me. My dad (who passed away just before Thanksgiving) LOVED his head cheese! I found it revolting...the appearance, the smell!! But that man got such a kick out of threatening us with head cheese for dinner if we didn't clean our rooms, go outside, feed the pets, etc.
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I slice it up like brownies in the pan. When I open the fridge door the aroma hits me and it's irresistible, so yummy, you just have to grab one in your hand and eat it up. It's only meat and jelled broth, I bet people would like it if they tried it.0
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Ya' learn sumptin every day. I didn't know what the word "offal" was (I'm 58 years old). I thought y'all were misspelling "awful" LOL!
So I read about it on Wikipedia. Pretty interesting etymology:"The word shares its etymology with several Germanic words: Abfall (offall in some Western German dialects), afval in Dutch and Afrikaans, avfall in Norwegian and Swedish, and affald in Danish. These Germanic words all mean "garbage", or —literally— "off-fall", referring to that which has fallen off during butchering. However, these words are not often used to refer to food with the exception of Afrikaans in the agglutination afvalvleis (lit. "off-fall-meat") which does indeed mean offal.[4] For instance, the German word for offal is Innereien meaning innards. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the word entered Middle English from Middle Dutch in the form afval, derived from af (off) and vallen (fall)."
I certainly knew what tripe and menudo was (when I lived in Texas). Never ate that stuff. But I did eat chicken & beef liver, Chicken hearts and gizzards all the time.
My dad was raised during the depression era and I suspect that gave rise to eating offal. He used to eat scrambled cow brains and when he did, my brothers, sister and myself literally ran out of the house....! My dad would laugh and proceed to eat it with ketchup. I think brains are 60% fat. But it just had a horrible smell to it.
Anyway....
Dan the Man from Michigan
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Just skimming the thread...I don't see low-fat keto (basically PSMF, if in a solid caloric deficit).
Oh, and chicken hearts and gizzards are AWESOME.0 -
Just skimming the thread...I don't see low-fat keto (basically PSMF, if in a solid caloric deficit).
Oh, and chicken hearts and gizzards are AWESOME.
PSMF should probably be monitored by a doctor. But, yes, it is a valid low-carb path. It's generally one we don't talk-up a whole lot, because it's not a long-term option.
I've read Lyle McDonald's book on his version of them. They don't sound very fun. Heck, even he says they're pretty miserable. LOL0 -
They're like any other diet - the less you have to lose, the more miserable they are.
With a bunch to lose, they're not too bad, and you get maintenance in a hurry.
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With all these comments on headcheese I feel I must point out that lutefisk is an almost perfect protein supplement for anyone trying to fill out a macro.
Pros:
Before prep it will keep almost indefinitely without refrigeration.
If you leave it in the company lunchroom fridge, it will be safe from theft.
Cons:
The traditional 2 week prep time.0 -
Interesting article. Three reasons why zero carb is easier than low carb
myzerocarblife.jamesdhogan.com/wp/2015/02/three-reasons-zero-carb-easier-low-carb/
I think Kelly's story is great and I have read several of her blog posts. She did in fact lose 120 lbs. on low carb, but then moved to zero carb in maintenance. I may end up like her. I'm not ready to do zero carb mentally yet, but I think it is a great WOE.
Thanks for posting that link, Moonius! And Mistizoom, I totally agree. In fact, the only reason I'm eating any carbs now is to make my husband feel more comfortable as he watches me do this. But he's finally coming around to the idea that some meals I just may not have anything but protein and fat on my plate. It's the whole "It's just fuel" mentality that I love, and which inspired my husband to try LC eating again.0 -
HmKeithF6250 wrote: »With all these comments on headcheese I feel I must point out that lutefisk is an almost perfect protein supplement for anyone trying to fill out a macro.
Pros:
Before prep it will keep almost indefinitely without refrigeration.
If you leave it in the company lunchroom fridge, it will be safe from theft.
Cons:
The traditional 2 week prep time.
Hmmm... had to look that one up. What a historically interesting food. I think given the era in which I live though, I will have to take a pass on that one.0 -
HmKeithF6250 wrote: »With all these comments on headcheese I feel I must point out that lutefisk is an almost perfect protein supplement for anyone trying to fill out a macro.
Pros:
Before prep it will keep almost indefinitely without refrigeration.
If you leave it in the company lunchroom fridge, it will be safe from theft.
Cons:
The traditional 2 week prep time.
Hmmm... had to look that one up. What a historically interesting food. I think given the era in which I live though, I will have to take a pass on that one.
In some parts of Nort Dakotah and the Lake Wobegon area of Minnesota it is still considered a staple at Lutheran Church dinners.
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Ancestral food is the best. They knew how to make do with what they had, no matter what the culture, and in many ways the traditional ways of preserving food are among the healthiest ways to eat.0
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Ok, getting back to the original post, I worked on this a little last night. Changed the wording. I put the classification into three groups:
- Regimens (carb level of eating)
- Modifiers (style or type of the regimen)
- Adjuncts (other factors)
Regimens:
Low Carb
This group consumes between 50 & 150 grams of carbs a day. Food types are broad, with few exceptions, as long as they meet their daily macro goals. Very small amounts of fruits and breads are allowed.
Keto (Nutritional Ketosis)
This group consumes between 0 to 50 grams of carbs a day. Food types are broad, with few exceptions, as long as they meet their daily macro goals. The standard macro is: 5% carbs, 20% protein, 75% fat. The goal of the group is to be “Ketogenic Adapted”. Generally speaking, most people have to stay under 25 grams a day to reach this goal. They use devices such as a Ketonix or ketones meter to confirm they are in Ketosis and stay in Ketosis consistently.
VLC Keto (Very Low Carb)
This group consumes between 0 to 10 grams of carbs a day. Some people are highly sensitive to the bad effects of carbs. This group is one small step above Carnivore Keto. Primarily animal consumption, with a tiny amount of lo carb plants. For very fast weight loss, this group maintains a deficit of calories. Or for maintenance or slower weight loss, can eat above their TDEE (total daily energy expenditure).
Carnivore Keto (AKA Zero Carb)
This group consumes between 0 to 5 grams of carbs a day. This group is doesn't eat plant based food with minor exceptions such as herb seasonings. The opposite of a Vegan diet. High calorie meals are ok, like VLC, they either lose slowly or maintain their weight effortlessly. With this low carb regimen, you don't need any external devices to tell you that you are Keto Adapted.
Cyclical Ketogenic Diet or CKD, TKD
A complex Keto diet for advanced body builders used for maximum muscle growth. It cycles the carb intakes from low to high around an intense workout. There is also another similar workout/body building regimen called, "Targeted Ketogenic Diet (TKD)". It is also known for eating carbs before intense workouts. Both diets are normal Keto diets when not doing workouts.
Modifers
If applicable, add the below modifiers in front of the regimen. EG: Paleo Keto, Primal Carnivore Keto, Paleo VLC.
There are some exceptions; obviously you can’t be a “Vegan Carnivore Keto”.
Vegan
This group eats no food derived from animals or dairy. May have some difficulty getting enough protein. For fat, they can obtain from coconut oils and some nut oils.
Paleo
This group restricts eating highly processes foods and dairy. This diet advises that you avoid foods that were not available for consumption before the agricultural revolution. Prefers organic and un-refined foods. Paleo is opposed to saturated fats. May restrict certain types calorie free sweeteners.
Primal
Similar to Paleo, but more liberal about what they can eat. Can eat dairy and saturated fats.
Protein-Sparing Modified Fast (PSMF)
PSMF is a lo-carb, lo-fat, lo-calorie diet. Rapid weight loss. A long-term PSMF diet undertaken carelessly and without the care of a physician may lead to serious health risks.
Adjuncts:
Add one or more, of the below, to further define the way-of-life.
Intermittent Fasting (IF)
Occasional fasting (usually under 500 calories @ day) or “0” calories (water only) fasting. In the case of the under 500 calories a day ~ you may eat one particular food like, eggs or fat, etc. Usually the duration of the fast is a minimum of 16 hrs and up to 48 hrs. They may do this once a month or as in the case of a 16 hr. fast: daily and everything in between. Many health benefits are derived from the fast. Fat burning and Ketone production is at its highest.
Sedentary
A person doesn’t do any kind of exercise. Usually has a desk job or other sit down job. They may not be able to do exercise because they are too heavy, or have injuries that flare up upon exercising.
Cardio
A person regularly does one or more of the following: walking, jogging, light exercises and other cardio exercises. Elevate the heart rate, tones the muscles. Many other health benefits.
HIIT (High-Intensity Interval Training), Body Building
This adjunct takes Cardio to a much higher level. To build bigger muscles, often for athletes. Often coupled with the TKD & CKD Keto styles (see above).
Low FODMAP Diet
This group has digestive problems when eating certain kinds of sugars that can cause bloating, diarrhea, constipation, etc. Some also have inflammatory bowel disease. You have to restrict consumption of fructose, lactose, fructans, galactans, and other polyols sugars found in certain fruits and zero-calorie sweeteners.
PCOS (Poly Cystic Ovary Syndrome)
This group has extreme difficulty with losing weight even following the Ketogenic or lo-carb regimens.
So, after you add it all up, an example would be like the below.- Primal/Keto/Cardio
- Paleo/Carnivore/Sedentary
- Primal/VLC Keto/IF/Cardio/PCOS
- Primal/CKD Keto/HIIT
- Primal/Lo-carb/Cardio
I probably left something out, let me know. I hope this helps,
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I would be:
Keto/IF/Sedentary
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Should I add "Diabetic" in the last category?0
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Dan, should you put a line at the top that says: "All the following include High Fat intakes of 60% or higher, except where noted."0
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So.... Primal/Keto/IF/PCOS/Diabetic0
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So I'd be VLC Keto/IF (fasting not done intentionally, just as a result of appetite-awareness)
(VLC with the exception of the recipes I've been testing for my husband's birthday party lately, lol - I still can't believe I ever ate up to 120g of carbs per day. Now when I hit 30 I get grumpy about it!)0
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