Low Carb Responses from the General Forums
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There's a person asking who else is doing Atkins' on the main boards. We all know how this goes. Let's look at some of the advice given so far. First off, props to JPW1990 for jumping in and pointing them here. Where we actually know what we're talking about.
That's only after 11 unique responses. This thread hasn't even blown up yet.
This is the entire comment. I didn't snip it. I can't think of anything less helpful.Cant think of many things less appealing....
Excerpt in this case. But, I think we all know how I feel about this advice. I would just call it bad. On top of that, the reason he didn't stress caloric intake is because the traditional Atkins' plan actually discourages any calorie counting. Of course he's not going to stress it. Anyway, bad (IMO) advice that shows the person doesn't understand the plan in question.I will just caution, if you're doing Atkins, that you need to count calories as well. I [. . . ] didn't think he stressed the issue of caloric intake enough.
I think we all know how I feel about this one, too. Just bad/unnecessary advice. Fiber isn't really that important. This also doesn't answer any questions/concerns the OP had.Ensure you eat enough fiber if you are on Atkins!
This person claims to be doing Atkins', although they admit it's a "moderated" form. I guess moderated means "not really" in this case. Again with the fiber nonsense. And the veggies. Well, Atkins' allows some, but they're not that critical especially during induction. Worst of all, what's this crap about carbs being "necessary"? That's just flat out wrong. And weighing and measuring everything? This isn't how Atkins' said to do his plan. This advice is the worst yet, especially because it appears to come from someone who knows about Atkins' when they don't really do Atkins'.[. . .]carbs are necessary to your body, so you can't cut them out. [. . .]DO eat the veggies! The fiber is absolutely necessary. Weigh/measure EVERYTHING. [. . .]
It wouldn't be a low-carb thread on the main forums without the shirtless mafia checking in.Sooo, Atkins plus a calorie deficit makes you lose weight? And a calorie deficit alone also makes you lose weight? Gee, what's the Atkins diet for, then? *scratches head*
That's only after 11 unique responses. This thread hasn't even blown up yet.
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The cautioning one irritates me every time, one of those who quit, gained back, then blames the plan, every single time it comes up.
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Oh boy, I learned my lesson even COMMENTING on these!! I got totally sucked in to a few arguments because people like this just make me MAD attacking people!! I stay off or PM the OP so I am out of it and don't raise my already high BP!
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I was accused of demonizing carbs.... What ever that means.0
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Love that. I try and avoid threads that I know will end up like this. I'd much rather be full of energy, rarely hungry, and eat rich foods than eat empty carbs that make me feel bloated and moody.It wouldn't be a low-carb thread on the main forums without the shirtless mafia checking in.
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Lrdoflamancha wrote: »I was accused of demonizing carbs.... What ever that means.
Demonizing...really??? Sheesh.0 -
DarlingNikki2011 wrote: »Lrdoflamancha wrote: »I was accused of demonizing carbs.... What ever that means.
Demonizing...really??? Sheesh.
Fat has been demonized for over 30+ years and their complaining about demonizing Carbs? The truth is that, for a lot of people, Carbs should be demonized. The whole obesity-metabolic syndrome-insulin resisitant-diabetic epidemic today is caused by carbs. The solution, for some people, it to lay off the carbs and start eating much more fat.
Dan the Man from Michigan
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Ditto to Dan!
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As was I lol.Lrdoflamancha wrote: »I was accused of demonizing carbs.... What ever that means.
If only I had a diary, and it was open, and they looked at it.
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I might be in the minority here with this opinion: I don't think carbs, or fats, or whatever else should be demonized or glorified in the way people are prone to do. Everything effects different people in different ways, for us within this group demonizing carbs within our lives makes sense. But it's a journey we're all on, the same end goal, but as many paths as there are people. It's sad that people will tell someone else not to bother with something based solely on personal experience, we can only point to studies and success stories and offer help, advice and support. Everyone has to find what works for them, and to do so they need to keep an open mind about all the different diets around, this just happens to work for us and we want it to work as well as for everyone else.0
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sweetteadrinker2 wrote: »I might be in the minority here with this opinion: I don't think carbs, or fats, or whatever else should be demonized or glorified in the way people are prone to do. Everything effects different people in different ways, for us within this group demonizing carbs within our lives makes sense. But it's a journey we're all on, the same end goal, but as many paths as there are people. It's sad that people will tell someone else not to bother with something based solely on personal experience, we can only point to studies and success stories and offer help, advice and support. Everyone has to find what works for them, and to do so they need to keep an open mind about all the different diets around, this just happens to work for us and we want it to work as well as for everyone else.
You are not alone in this. I don't feel carbs are evil, or fat is evil, or etc etc....I know carbs don't do well for ME, but not everyone is me.
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sweetteadrinker2 wrote: »I might be in the minority here with this opinion: I don't think carbs, or fats, or whatever else should be demonized or glorified in the way people are prone to do. Everything effects different people in different ways, for us within this group demonizing carbs within our lives makes sense. But it's a journey we're all on, the same end goal, but as many paths as there are people. It's sad that people will tell someone else not to bother with something based solely on personal experience, we can only point to studies and success stories and offer help, advice and support. Everyone has to find what works for them, and to do so they need to keep an open mind about all the different diets around, this just happens to work for us and we want it to work as well as for everyone else.
I think the point was people here don't "demonize" carbs, only reduce them. The "demonize" hyperbole is what the aforementioned shirtless mafia throw around to suggest anything any low carber says about any topic is irrelevant, because they aren't comfortable with different viewpoints than their own.0 -
The big difference is that we don't go looking for the threads on diets we don't agree with to post negative opinions or bad advice. You won't see me posting in a vegan's thread when they are asking for advice. It isn't the same way with low carb. Half, or more, of the responses tend to be people bashing it or offering unsolicited advice that doesn't pertain.0
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The big difference is that we don't go looking for the threads on diets we don't agree with to post negative opinions or bad advice. You won't see me posting in a vegan's thread when they are asking for advice. It isn't the same way with low carb. Half, or more, of the responses tend to be people bashing it or offering unsolicited advice that doesn't pertain.
BINGO. I don't go into IIFYMs threads where folks are happily saying they eat whatever they want, or asking for IIFYM advice, or what not to tell them to eat my way.
Yet, daily, several times daily, someone will post asking for advice on how to cut carbs, or cut sugar and are then told over and over and over that they don't need to.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »The big difference is that we don't go looking for the threads on diets we don't agree with to post negative opinions or bad advice. You won't see me posting in a vegan's thread when they are asking for advice. It isn't the same way with low carb. Half, or more, of the responses tend to be people bashing it or offering unsolicited advice that doesn't pertain.
BINGO. I don't go into IIFYMs threads where folks are happily saying they eat whatever they want, or asking for IIFYM advice, or what not to tell them to eat my way.
Yet, daily, several times daily, someone will post asking for advice on how to cut carbs, or cut sugar and are then told over and over and over that they don't need to.
I'd almost be tempted to start doing the same in return, except I already got one warning for asking an LC basher (your brain and kidneys will stop functioning after a few months) where she got her medical degree. Apparently, that was rude and abusive of me. No doubt telling people they don't have to eat more than 20g of carbs a day would get me jail bars.0 -
You got a warning or one of those silly flags? Hell, I've gotten 3 today already for disagreeing with ANA ANA.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »The big difference is that we don't go looking for the threads on diets we don't agree with to post negative opinions or bad advice. You won't see me posting in a vegan's thread when they are asking for advice. It isn't the same way with low carb. Half, or more, of the responses tend to be people bashing it or offering unsolicited advice that doesn't pertain.
BINGO. I don't go into IIFYMs threads where folks are happily saying they eat whatever they want, or asking for IIFYM advice, or what not to tell them to eat my way.
Yet, daily, several times daily, someone will post asking for advice on how to cut carbs, or cut sugar and are then told over and over and over that they don't need to.
I'd almost be tempted to start doing the same in return, except I already got one warning for asking an LC basher (your brain and kidneys will stop functioning after a few months) where she got her medical degree. Apparently, that was rude and abusive of me. No doubt telling people they don't have to eat more than 20g of carbs a day would get me jail bars.
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How do you know if you get a warning? I rarely post out there, so I don't know if I have ever gotten one.0
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The big difference is that we don't go looking for the threads on diets we don't agree with to post negative opinions or bad advice. You won't see me posting in a vegan's thread when they are asking for advice. It isn't the same way with low carb. Half, or more, of the responses tend to be people bashing it or offering unsolicited advice that doesn't pertain.
Yep. I don't give lifting advice because I don't currently lift. I'm not vegetarian or vegan or even Paleo so I don't give advice there either. I do know a little something about intense sugar cravings that feel like an addiction and how to get passed it. Yet everytime the topic comes up people who aren't low or slow carb and have no trouble restricting sugar come out of the woodwork to offer advice. I'll never understand the need to gang up on someone because they want to reduce sugar. And do they truly not understand what someone means when someone says they want to cut out sugar? I wonder if they realize how ignorant they make themselves look when they say "so you're cutting out fruit and veggies?" Really??0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
You got a warning or one of those silly flags? Hell, I've gotten 3 today already for disagreeing with ANA ANA.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »The big difference is that we don't go looking for the threads on diets we don't agree with to post negative opinions or bad advice. You won't see me posting in a vegan's thread when they are asking for advice. It isn't the same way with low carb. Half, or more, of the responses tend to be people bashing it or offering unsolicited advice that doesn't pertain.
BINGO. I don't go into IIFYMs threads where folks are happily saying they eat whatever they want, or asking for IIFYM advice, or what not to tell them to eat my way.
Yet, daily, several times daily, someone will post asking for advice on how to cut carbs, or cut sugar and are then told over and over and over that they don't need to.
I'd almost be tempted to start doing the same in return, except I already got one warning for asking an LC basher (your brain and kidneys will stop functioning after a few months) where she got her medical degree. Apparently, that was rude and abusive of me. No doubt telling people they don't have to eat more than 20g of carbs a day would get me jail bars.
Mod warning. It shows up as a notification with a link to the 3strikes rules0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
You got a warning or one of those silly flags? Hell, I've gotten 3 today already for disagreeing with ANA ANA.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »The big difference is that we don't go looking for the threads on diets we don't agree with to post negative opinions or bad advice. You won't see me posting in a vegan's thread when they are asking for advice. It isn't the same way with low carb. Half, or more, of the responses tend to be people bashing it or offering unsolicited advice that doesn't pertain.
BINGO. I don't go into IIFYMs threads where folks are happily saying they eat whatever they want, or asking for IIFYM advice, or what not to tell them to eat my way.
Yet, daily, several times daily, someone will post asking for advice on how to cut carbs, or cut sugar and are then told over and over and over that they don't need to.
I'd almost be tempted to start doing the same in return, except I already got one warning for asking an LC basher (your brain and kidneys will stop functioning after a few months) where she got her medical degree. Apparently, that was rude and abusive of me. No doubt telling people they don't have to eat more than 20g of carbs a day would get me jail bars.
Mod warning. It shows up as a notification with a link to the 3strikes rules
You got an actual Mod warning for that??? Ridiculous.
I now have 52 abuse votes and 22 spam votes lol.
But I've never gotten an actual warning. Go figure.0 -
Apparently, I have none. I guess my resolve to avoid the main forums have paid off.0
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I have one. Probably when I accused certain people of always having the "right" answer. It doesn't say, though I'm on my phone so maybe that's why? I honestly don't care. I'm slowly moving in a different direction and if it weren't for this board I'd probably leave MFP altogether.0
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This board is the only reason I stay. After my 90 days of logging for a friend, I will be back to not logging anything. The only reason I stayed the last time I stopped logging was to talk to people in here.0
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Oh boy, I wish I had seen that thread (been up visiting the in-laws all day so haven't been able to check in). I lost my 60 pounds doing Atkins and I usually try to send a friend request/private message people looking for advice about the program. I'm usually very hesitant to respond in the actual thread.
There is so much misinformation out there about Atkins. It's funny, when I tell people I switched to low carb I get nods of approval, but if I say I'm doing Atkins I get an hour long lecture about how I'm destroying my kidneys.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
You got a warning or one of those silly flags? Hell, I've gotten 3 today already for disagreeing with ANA ANA.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »The big difference is that we don't go looking for the threads on diets we don't agree with to post negative opinions or bad advice. You won't see me posting in a vegan's thread when they are asking for advice. It isn't the same way with low carb. Half, or more, of the responses tend to be people bashing it or offering unsolicited advice that doesn't pertain.
BINGO. I don't go into IIFYMs threads where folks are happily saying they eat whatever they want, or asking for IIFYM advice, or what not to tell them to eat my way.
Yet, daily, several times daily, someone will post asking for advice on how to cut carbs, or cut sugar and are then told over and over and over that they don't need to.
I'd almost be tempted to start doing the same in return, except I already got one warning for asking an LC basher (your brain and kidneys will stop functioning after a few months) where she got her medical degree. Apparently, that was rude and abusive of me. No doubt telling people they don't have to eat more than 20g of carbs a day would get me jail bars.
Mod warning. It shows up as a notification with a link to the 3strikes rules
You got an actual Mod warning for that??? Ridiculous.
I now have 52 abuse votes and 22 spam votes lol.
But I've never gotten an actual warning. Go figure.
I was already on their radar because I got into it with a certain mod about a different thread. Someone asked about tracking a vitamin MFP doesn't track, because her doctor told her to, and she got a bunch of replies telling her not to bother. I asked why it was ok for people to give bad medical advice, and was told I was "reading too much into it." Course, it's the same mod who frequently goes off on people who want to cut out sugar instead of all things in moderation.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
You got a warning or one of those silly flags? Hell, I've gotten 3 today already for disagreeing with ANA ANA.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »The big difference is that we don't go looking for the threads on diets we don't agree with to post negative opinions or bad advice. You won't see me posting in a vegan's thread when they are asking for advice. It isn't the same way with low carb. Half, or more, of the responses tend to be people bashing it or offering unsolicited advice that doesn't pertain.
BINGO. I don't go into IIFYMs threads where folks are happily saying they eat whatever they want, or asking for IIFYM advice, or what not to tell them to eat my way.
Yet, daily, several times daily, someone will post asking for advice on how to cut carbs, or cut sugar and are then told over and over and over that they don't need to.
I'd almost be tempted to start doing the same in return, except I already got one warning for asking an LC basher (your brain and kidneys will stop functioning after a few months) where she got her medical degree. Apparently, that was rude and abusive of me. No doubt telling people they don't have to eat more than 20g of carbs a day would get me jail bars.
Mod warning. It shows up as a notification with a link to the 3strikes rules
You got an actual Mod warning for that??? Ridiculous.
I now have 52 abuse votes and 22 spam votes lol.
But I've never gotten an actual warning. Go figure.
I was already on their radar because I got into it with a certain mod about a different thread. Someone asked about tracking a vitamin MFP doesn't track, because her doctor told her to, and she got a bunch of replies telling her not to bother. I asked why it was ok for people to give bad medical advice, and was told I was "reading too much into it." Course, it's the same mod who frequently goes off on people who want to cut out sugar instead of all things in moderation.
Ah yes. That one. 0 -
sweetteadrinker2 wrote: »I might be in the minority here with this opinion: I don't think carbs, or fats, or whatever else should be demonized or glorified in the way people are prone to do. Everything effects different people in different ways, for us within this group demonizing carbs within our lives makes sense. But it's a journey we're all on, the same end goal, but as many paths as there are people. It's sad that people will tell someone else not to bother with something based solely on personal experience, we can only point to studies and success stories and offer help, advice and support. Everyone has to find what works for them, and to do so they need to keep an open mind about all the different diets around, this just happens to work for us and we want it to work as well as for everyone else.
You're not in the minority, you and I think alike.
Dan the Man from Michigan
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Have you guys seen the latest in Consumer Reports? I just, argh, have to look away: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2015/02/surprising-effects-of-high-protein-low-carb-diet/index.htm
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LowCarbHeart wrote: »Have you guys seen the latest in Consumer Reports? I just, argh, have to look away: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2015/02/surprising-effects-of-high-protein-low-carb-diet/index.htm
Ugh, I might need to cancel my online CR subscription over this.0 -
LowCarbHeart wrote: »Have you guys seen the latest in Consumer Reports? I just, argh, have to look away: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2015/02/surprising-effects-of-high-protein-low-carb-diet/index.htm
It's true that too much protein is hard on the kidneys, but that's why we watch all of our macros and not just blindly cut one.
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