Low Carb Responses from the General Forums
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It's not High protein, it high fat and moderate protein. When will they get this right?????0
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It's true that very high levels of protein (way more than what I eat on my biggest day) can put a strain on the kidneys. But, even high levels (like 180g-200g high) don't cause any problems for people with healthy kidneys. If you have a preexisting kidney condition, that's a different matter. But, for healthy people, high protein intake isn't a concern.
But, low-carb isn't high protein anyway. It's an argument against a strawman.0 -
I guess I can't be to hard on them, I had some pretty deep misconceptions about low carb before I really looked into it. I thought Atkins was all bacon and cheese and was surprised to find out it's a high vegetable, high fat, moderate protein way of eating.
Goat recommended the book The Calorie Myth by Jonathan Bailor and I just finished the section on how its not true that protein leaches calcium from our bones. I just don't understand how there can be so many conflicting studies/information. I was so surprised to see this stance in Consumer Reports of all places!0 -
LowCarbHeart wrote: »I guess I can't be to hard on them, I had some pretty deep misconceptions about low carb before I really looked into it. I thought Atkins was all bacon and cheese and was surprised to find out it's a high vegetable, high fat, moderate protein way of eating.
Goat recommended the book The Calorie Myth by Jonathan Bailor and I just finished the section on how its not true that protein leaches calcium from our bones. I just don't understand how there can be so many conflicting studies/information. I was so surprised to see this stance in Consumer Reports of all places!
Studies are all about your control group and how much variation you'll tolerate in them, also hypotheses lead research methods. So, you're unlikely to find what you don't want to in some cases.
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Although the efficacy of high protein diets for weight loss has been evaluated, there have been no reports of protein-induced diminutions in renal function despite subject populations that are generally at risk for kidney disease (e.g., dyslipidemia, obesity, hypertension) [14,15,22,85-87]. A randomized comparison of the effects of high and low protein diets on renal function in obese individuals suggested that high protein diets did not present a health concern with regard to renal function their study population [65].
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1262767/Athletes, particularly in sports requiring strength and power, consume high levels of dietary protein [89,90]. In fact, many athletes habitually consume protein in excess of 2.0 g/kg/day [91]. Supplementation with amino acids will further increase dietary protein levels in these individuals [92]. Yet there is no evidence that this population is at greater risk for kidney disease or losses in renal function [90]. Poortsmans and Dellalieux [93] found that protein intakes in the range of ~1.4–1.9 g/kg/day or 170–243% of the recommended dietary allowance did not impair renal function in a group of 37 athletes. We found no data in the scientific literature to link high protein intakes to increased risk for impaired kidney function in healthy, physically active men and women.
There are several links about protein and the effects on healthy kidneys. The above is just one of them. But, the short response is that it's just not a concern for otherwise healthy people.0 -
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sweetteadrinker2 wrote: »LowCarbHeart wrote: »I guess I can't be to hard on them, I had some pretty deep misconceptions about low carb before I really looked into it. I thought Atkins was all bacon and cheese and was surprised to find out it's a high vegetable, high fat, moderate protein way of eating.
Goat recommended the book The Calorie Myth by Jonathan Bailor and I just finished the section on how its not true that protein leaches calcium from our bones. I just don't understand how there can be so many conflicting studies/information. I was so surprised to see this stance in Consumer Reports of all places!
Studies are all about your control group and how much variation you'll tolerate in them, also hypotheses lead research methods. So, you're unlikely to find what you don't want to in some cases.
Also, most of the studies have actually had it right, it's media outlets that twist things like a pretzel and use the flimsier studies to maintain the status quo since it was established by Ancel Keys.0 -
I made the "mistake" of asking point blank in the latest LC thread why people who don't like LC insist on hijacking all the threads. The natives did not appreciate it.0
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rckk18 wrote:In the last 6 days I am averaging 73 carbs a day. Is that about right for a low carb diet ? I have lost 4 lbs in the last 7 days.martyqueen52 wrote:It's not fat you've lost, It's water weight from going low on carbs.
But, when you do start to really eat them again, the water weight will return. Hence why low carb, unless under direction of a doctor, is a dumb idea.
Carbs don't make you fat, eating too much is what makes people fat.
*sigh*
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LowCarbHeart wrote: »Have you guys seen the latest in Consumer Reports? I just, argh, have to look away: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2015/02/surprising-effects-of-high-protein-low-carb-diet/index.htm
Just another media outlet that gets it wrong.
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I know first hand what too much Carbs did to my health. I too watch my protein because 50% of it converts to glucose. Not a bad thing but just a biological event in humans.0
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ROOOOOOOOOAAAAAR! The Litterbox makes Hulk ANNNNGRY!
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***closes the lid on the Litterbox***...shhh0
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If it is possible to have a calm and respectful interplay of comments and opinions based on science as well as personal experience, may I ask a question? Have individuals on this forum heard of "carbohydrate intolerance" as a separate of distinct concern in relation to insulin resistance? I have recently been "diagnosed" by a gp with a health speciality as carbohydrate intolerant and I wonder if that is too genera? Given that all carbohydrates break down into glucose (at different rates and different quantities), I wonder why my doctor is making the broad-based diagnosis about the thousands of foods which contain carbs. Your comments please?
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(please replace the word "of" with the word "or" in my 3'rd sentence.
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Hi shelleygold. I think you'll find that everyone here will be calm and respectful. I instantly thought of Prof Tim Noakes and if you google him along with "carbohydrate intolerance" you will find a great deal of information. I'm a huge fan of Prof Noakes.
I hope you get other answers with personal experiences and hope for you. For myself, I can say that carbs are not essential. We have human requirements for essential proteins and essential fats only.0 -
It's true that very high levels of protein (way more than what I eat on my biggest day) can put a strain on the kidneys. But, even high levels (like 180g-200g high) don't cause any problems for people with healthy kidneys. If you have a preexisting kidney condition, that's a different matter. But, for healthy people, high protein intake isn't a concern.
But, low-carb isn't high protein anyway. It's an argument against a strawman.
If anyone is on excessive protein it's the exercise bulimics and the shirtless mafia.
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shelleygold wrote: »If it is possible to have a calm and respectful interplay of comments and opinions based on science as well as personal experience, may I ask a question? Have individuals on this forum heard of "carbohydrate intolerance" as a separate of distinct concern in relation to insulin resistance?
At a first guess "carb intolerance" would show up as high blood glucose with low insulin, whereas "insulin resistance" is usually high insulin ('cos it isn't having any effect) combined with high glucose.
A more researched answer came up with http://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/gastrointestinal_disorders/malabsorption_syndromes/carbohydrate_intolerance.htmlCarbohydrate intolerance is the inability to digest certain carbohydrates due to a lack of one or more intestinal enzymes. Symptoms include diarrhea, abdominal distention, and flatulence. Diagnosis is clinical and by an H2 breath test. Treatment is removal of the causative disaccharide from the diet.
There is a tendency for LCHF people to use "carbohydrate intolerance" to describe diabetes and other things but it's not a medical term.
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I hate asking anything on the General Forums for fear of getting bashed
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I thought it was just the forums that were bad....but this morning I got told that I am not losing because I am not logging correctly and I am eating too much because, you know...CICO. This was from a friend on my list....."If you don't see a loss in another week, you should drop your calories by 100" I am quite discouraged this morning...0
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shelleygold wrote: »If it is possible to have a calm and respectful interplay of comments and opinions based on science as well as personal experience, may I ask a question? Have individuals on this forum heard of "carbohydrate intolerance" as a separate of distinct concern in relation to insulin resistance?
At a first guess "carb intolerance" would show up as high blood glucose with low insulin, whereas "insulin resistance" is usually high insulin ('cos it isn't having any effect) combined with high glucose.
Often with PCOS and Insulin resistance, you have high insulin and normal blood glucose. I know I am not the only one on the PCOS boards who have had really high insulin and my blood glucose is smack dab in the middle of normal along with my A1C.
So weird right?0 -
IamUndrCnstruction wrote: »I thought it was just the forums that were bad....but this morning I got told that I am not losing because I am not logging correctly and I am eating too much because, you know...CICO. This was from a friend on my list....."If you don't see a loss in another week, you should drop your calories by 100" I am quite discouraged this morning...
Listen to your body. I looked at your foods and you look good to me. We all have a day or two now and then we eat more but you kept your carbs low. Every one responds a little different.0 -
shelleygold wrote: »If it is possible to have a calm and respectful interplay of comments and opinions based on science as well as personal experience, may I ask a question? Have individuals on this forum heard of "carbohydrate intolerance" as a separate of distinct concern in relation to insulin resistance? I have recently been "diagnosed" by a gp with a health speciality as carbohydrate intolerant and I wonder if that is too genera? Given that all carbohydrates break down into glucose (at different rates and different quantities), I wonder why my doctor is making the broad-based diagnosis about the thousands of foods which contain carbs. Your comments please?
Generally if it has the word "intolerance" it's due to a lack of an enzyme. Lacking one or more of them can cause some scary stuff.0 -
I wonder if a bunch of people from in here answering this "informal poll" in the cesspool would make any difference in the attitudes out there?
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10101218/how-much-have-you-lost-and-how-an-informal-poll#latest0 -
I wonder if a bunch of people from in here answering this "informal poll" in the cesspool would make any difference in the attitudes out there?
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10101218/how-much-have-you-lost-and-how-an-informal-poll#latest
I counted about 8 in the first page that were lower carbs/LCHF/keto...one of those. So I don't know how much difference it would make truly...0 -
shelleygold wrote: »If it is possible to have a calm and respectful interplay of comments and opinions based on science as well as personal experience, may I ask a question? Have individuals on this forum heard of "carbohydrate intolerance" as a separate of distinct concern in relation to insulin resistance?
At a first guess "carb intolerance" would show up as high blood glucose with low insulin, whereas "insulin resistance" is usually high insulin ('cos it isn't having any effect) combined with high glucose.
Often with PCOS and Insulin resistance, you have high insulin and normal blood glucose. I know I am not the only one on the PCOS boards who have had really high insulin and my blood glucose is smack dab in the middle of normal along with my A1C.
So weird right?
This is exactly my experience as well. I have PCOS and have never had a high blood sugar reading, but I used to have super high insulin. Got it under control with metformin, now it is really under control with low carb eating + metformin.0 -
I wonder if a bunch of people from in here answering this "informal poll" in the cesspool would make any difference in the attitudes out there?
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10101218/how-much-have-you-lost-and-how-an-informal-poll#latest
I bit.0 -
I wonder if a bunch of people from in here answering this "informal poll" in the cesspool would make any difference in the attitudes out there?
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10101218/how-much-have-you-lost-and-how-an-informal-poll#latest
I have to keep from grinding my teeth at all the one's saying "I ate at a deficit." Well, no joke. I don't think anyone has ever said on MFP that eating at a surplus aids in weight loss. Do they truly, truly not understand that different people respond to different plans? Even the folks at EM2WL still eat at a deficit, they just find the smallest one they can eat at and still lose weight. That was a rhetorical question, btw, I know they don't understand. Or they don't care. Or they like to sound important. Or all of the above.0 -
If they knew anything at all about Atkins, they would know it is moderate protein and high fat and Induction is only for 2 weeks unless you have a lot to use. After that you start climbing the carb ladder until rung 10 where nothing is off limit and you know how many carbs you can eat without gaining.0
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