Another low carb thread assault ....smh...
IamUndrCnstruction
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http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10102613/low-carb-dieters#latest
Oh boy. Though I will say some of the supporters of the LCHF woe are not helping the cause.
Oh boy. Though I will say some of the supporters of the LCHF woe are not helping the cause.
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To be fair, OP seems to be ignoring any and all comments by the LC group but is doing a fair amount of arguing. To each their own. She was given the link here, hopefully she'll find her way over. I wish we could discuss low carb on the main forums without 1.)defending ourselves and/or 2.) giving a full disclosure of our medical history. If you say you're diabetic you get like 2 answers, and the know-it-alls have nothing to say. If you say you just want to cut carbs down a bit, suddenly you're a heretic.0
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To be fair, OP seems to be ignoring any and all comments by the LC group but is doing a fair amount of arguing. To each their own. She was given the link here, hopefully she'll find her way over. I wish we could discuss low carb on the main forums without 1.)defending ourselves and/or 2.) giving a full disclosure of our medical history. If you say you're diabetic you get like 2 answers, and the know-it-alls have nothing to say. If you say you just want to cut carbs down a bit, suddenly you're a heretic.
Yes, I think the biggest problem I have with them is the all or nothing mentality. Many of us were there, trying to lose at x amount of calories on a SAD and either lost nothing or gained, so we lowered x amount of calories till we were starving ourselves. Then we tried LCHF and we ate MORE than x calories and lost weight, so we added a few more calories and we still lost weight.
Until I realized my IR and PCOS were having more problems with what I ate than with how much I ate, i felt i was a failure. Why couldnt I lose like everyone else? What was I doing wrong that CICO didnt work? I measured and weighed meticulously and I still didnt lose. I exercised till I hurt myself and I still didnt lose. And reading the main forums I thought I was the worst person ever, and I remember crying because ppl were saying the same things to me that they are saying to everyone else, CICO works always unless you defy the laws of physics and I knew I was doing all I could and it wasnt enough.
I hate the bullying on here when it comes to something else than straight CICO. I know, because I logged, that I was eating about 800 calories a day and wasnt losing and now on LCHF i can eat about 1500 calories and lose. But apparently I defy the laws of nature and I am lying. I feel so bad for new ones who ask questions over there and get chewed out or told they are lying or doing it wrong because straight CICO is king over all. I try to mail and or private message them to direct them over here but I wish there was something we could do to get the word out.0 -
Holy crap already 6 pages since Wednesday. Not going to step into that one. Like Sugarbeat says. She has the link. I need to keep myself on as much of an even keel as possible. It breaks my heart to see people struggling like the OP was doing. I just do not go to the main boards now. I barely have time to come here. Really sad.0
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I messaged OP. She wants the drama. She had no interest, it seemed, in coming here for a more receptive audience.
To each their own. Sometimes, you just want to fight.0 -
"God grant me the serenity to accept the people I cannot change, the courage to change the one I can, and the wisdom to know it's me."
(Always liked this version better, and so appropriate when referring to the "litterbox.")
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I messaged OP. She wants the drama. She had no interest, it seemed, in coming here for a more receptive audience.
To each their own. Sometimes, you just want to fight.
I tried that too, and never heard back. I love that just posting the link here got my own personal growth on my butt that won't go away *sigh*0 -
The problem is, the OP's first post was asking for input from other low carbers. Immediately the CICO crowd chimes in and the OP started fighting back. Now maybe the particular OP on that thread doesn't really want support. But what about those who do? No being able to give out any info about low carb on the main forums is really sucky. I found this group originally through a link someone posted in a similar thread. So I think getting the info out there is worth it even if you have to swim with the sharks.0
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The problem is, the OP's first post was asking for input from other low carbers. Immediately the CICO crowd chimes in and the OP started fighting back. Now maybe the particular OP on that thread doesn't really want support. But what about those who do? No being able to give out any info about low carb on the main forums is really sucky. I found this group originally through a link someone posted in a similar thread. So I think getting the info out there is worth it even if you have to swim with the sharks.
I was talking to someone else yesterday that it looked like there were a lot of POE accounts posting just to stir stuff up. (POE means people who intentionally write a troll post taking the side of those they disagree with, then make obnoxious claims so other people from "their" side can swoop in and "win"). After the first few pages on that one I started to wonder if that might be one, though the original post didn't start out like the more obvious ones. How likely is it there'd really be 2 soda threads, 3 moderation threads, an extremist high protein/lc thread, and I think there was a sugar thread in the mix too, all in the span of a few hours?0 -
The problem is, the OP's first post was asking for input from other low carbers. Immediately the CICO crowd chimes in and the OP started fighting back. Now maybe the particular OP on that thread doesn't really want support. But what about those who do? No being able to give out any info about low carb on the main forums is really sucky. I found this group originally through a link someone posted in a similar thread. So I think getting the info out there is worth it even if you have to swim with the sharks.
I was talking to someone else yesterday that it looked like there were a lot of POE accounts posting just to stir stuff up. (POE means people who intentionally write a troll post taking the side of those they disagree with, then make obnoxious claims so other people from "their" side can swoop in and "win"). After the first few pages on that one I started to wonder if that might be one, though the original post didn't start out like the more obvious ones. How likely is it there'd really be 2 soda threads, 3 moderation threads, an extremist high protein/lc thread, and I think there was a sugar thread in the mix too, all in the span of a few hours?
Interesting possibility. But still sucky.0 -
Gary Taubes does a pretty good job explaining the science in more layman's terms with a boat load off foot notes and references to back it up.
Not all calorie sources are processed the same way. Fructose and Glucose are both sugars. But fructose causes fat build up in the liver and can lead to fatty liver disease. Glucose does not. High Fructose Corn Syrup is even worse.
Carbs tell your body to create/store fat. Protein tells your body to burn fat.
Why We Get Fat and What To Do About It is a great read. And it is not a diet book. He avoids that because there are plenty of LCHF food plan guides out there. He sticks to the science and even goes into how and why that counter productive food pyramid was produced. It had nothing to do with science. Just money and politics.We all have different metabolisms. And while a simple deficit may work for some, there is not a one size fits all answer. But the government demands such and so the establishment bends to government will and money. And the government only funds "research" that gets the outcomes they need to support the actions they want to take. (Same thing in 'climate research.')
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Oh man that thread is just crazy. I get angry at 2 of the posters in particular (angry to myself, not actually posting) and tell myself I am not looking at it again, then an hour later I am back on there.
All I know, is that its working for me right now, I feel amazing and I am gonna keep going!0 -
The problem is, the OP's first post was asking for input from other low carbers. Immediately the CICO crowd chimes in and the OP started fighting back. Now maybe the particular OP on that thread doesn't really want support. But what about those who do? No being able to give out any info about low carb on the main forums is really sucky. I found this group originally through a link someone posted in a similar thread. So I think getting the info out there is worth it even if you have to swim with the sharks.
This is why I still get in and post sometimes, knowing full well I won't get anywhere with the person I'm arguing with.0 -
The problem is, the OP's first post was asking for input from other low carbers. Immediately the CICO crowd chimes in and the OP started fighting back. Now maybe the particular OP on that thread doesn't really want support. But what about those who do? No being able to give out any info about low carb on the main forums is really sucky. I found this group originally through a link someone posted in a similar thread. So I think getting the info out there is worth it even if you have to swim with the sharks.
This is why I still get in and post sometimes, knowing full well I won't get anywhere with the person I'm arguing with.
Same. My first week here I was told I was going to have brain damage and kidney failure if I kept doing keto, and I got an official warning for asking where they got their medical degree. I don't doubt a lot of people get chased off by that kind of thing all the time.
Interesting side note, there's a new thread by someone who was just prescribed keto for epilepsy. Guess who hasn't posted in that thread.0 -
I am going to find that thread and post in it.... Singing... To dream the impossible dream... To fight the unbeatable foe.... Sancho my steed my helmet.... Onward to glory I go...0
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Darn.... Cant find the thread....0
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That thread made my head hurt. Ugh.0
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Lrdoflamancha wrote: »Darn.... Cant find the thread....
LOL the OP of this thread linked it in her OP0 -
I went back and looked a few times. Just made me angry. I do feel that she was rather looking for a fight though. You can not claim that your woe is superior to anyone else's without causes friction, and really if whatever way someone is eating is working for them, your way is NOT superior. For them. It might be for you...but not everyone. LCHF works for me (I think, I have been feeling discouraged lately) and I do believe that the less processed crap the better. However, I have a friend that has lost over 100+ pounds on basically CICO.
Anyway, the OP of that thread was a little dramatic but I have seen others that just make me sad because I can only imagine how many people get scared off of MFP altogether by the trolls and "coco, no one's a special snowflake" crowd.0 -
@iamundrcnstruction That was me at the beginning, until I found the group. I was going to post about how excited I was when I started low carb, but then started reading some other low carb threads and never posted. I replied to that crazy thread about joining this group, but that's it. I wont post on the regular boards. There are far too many bullies on there who know everything about everything.
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ShawnaDrew wrote: »@iamundrcnstruction That was me at the beginning, until I found the group. I was going to post about how excited I was when I started low carb, but then started reading some other low carb threads and never posted. I replied to that crazy thread about joining this group, but that's it. I wont post on the regular boards. There are far too many bullies on there who know everything about everything.
I am very glad you found your way here then!
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The second I posted on my activity feed I was trying a keto diet people were negative. Im so glad I found my way here. Someone pointed me here from the main forums and then I found great info like Dr. Peter Attia to research. Everyone here has always been so nice too!0
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The second I posted on my activity feed I was trying a keto diet people were negative. Im so glad I found my way here. Someone pointed me here from the main forums and then I found great info like Dr. Peter Attia to research. Everyone here has always been so nice too!
I pretty much only friend people who eat low carb. I have IRL friends that I am not friends on MFP with for that reason. Helps keep me on track.
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I think 99% of my friends are from low carb or keto groups.0
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Gary Taubes does a pretty good job explaining the science in more layman's terms with a boat load off foot notes and references to back it up.
Not all calorie sources are processed the same way. Fructose and Glucose are both sugars. But fructose causes fat build up in the liver and can lead to fatty liver disease. Glucose does not. High Fructose Corn Syrup is even worse.
Carbs tell your body to create/store fat. Protein tells your body to burn fat.
Why We Get Fat and What To Do About It is a great read. And it is not a diet book. He avoids that because there are plenty of LCHF food plan guides out there. He sticks to the science and even goes into how and why that counter productive food pyramid was produced. It had nothing to do with science. Just money and politics.We all have different metabolisms. And while a simple deficit may work for some, there is not a one size fits all answer. But the government demands such and so the establishment bends to government will and money. And the government only funds "research" that gets the outcomes they need to support the actions they want to take. (Same thing in 'climate research.')
This book is what lead me to lose 100 pounds! Everything in it made so much sense. There was also a documentary that pulls from this book heavily. It is called "Fathead" and a good watch. I think you can see the whole thing on YouTube. It is kind of the anti-Supersize Me.0 -
Of course she was looking for a fight; of course there are posters who need to be known and need to be right. Her wording, and poor choice of describing what she has done lead to the discussion going where it went. She lost 2-3 pounds not logging and going on and off diets for a few years, dropped 20 doing some form of LC, and has 27 pounds remaining. Nothing wrong with LC diets, at the end of the day folks will find it is one tool in the bag of tools to assist them to their goals. . . .or not. Be well folks.0
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_Terrapin_ wrote: »Of course she was looking for a fight;
Really ? Her initial post wasThe best way ive found to drop lbs without pills or starving! Anyone else use this method? Interested in ideas, recipes, and success stories!
which within 30 minutes got non-helpful replies from
AJ_G
ndj1979
Liftng4Lis
eric_sg61
and one supportive answer. Not something MFP can be proud of.0 -
_Terrapin_ wrote: »Of course she was looking for a fight;
Really ? Her initial post wasThe best way ive found to drop lbs without pills or starving! Anyone else use this method? Interested in ideas, recipes, and success stories!
which within 30 minutes got non-helpful replies from
AJ_G
ndj1979
Liftng4Lis
eric_sg61
and one supportive answer. Not something MFP can be proud of.
The usual suspects, as it were.
I can predict with great accuracy threads in which they will make an appearance.
It's true that if you don't engage their chicanery then it isn't much of a big deal. I personally keep my 39.5ft-pole away from Captain Thread-Crap and the Nipple Brigade. No scratching in the Litterbox for me. Lessons learned. Knowing what I know now, I go find a group to ask. Not everyone has the "in the trenches" knowledge however, or the excessive cynicism I've earned. If the OP is scrappy, and enjoys to fight, then she'll stay there and duke it out. If she has sense, she'll come here and leave the drama to the Big Forum.
There isn't a thing to be done about it except what we are doing here. Which is providing a safe harbor for information and support, and name-dropping the group when possible in threads like that.0 -
_Terrapin_ wrote: »Of course she was looking for a fight;
Really ? Her initial post wasThe best way ive found to drop lbs without pills or starving! Anyone else use this method? Interested in ideas, recipes, and success stories!
which within 30 minutes got non-helpful replies from
AJ_G
ndj1979
Liftng4Lis
eric_sg61
and one supportive answer. Not something MFP can be proud of.
It's like the LC version of bingo0
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