Retreating from the Main Boards to This Group
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Read this with much interest. I too grow my own fruit and veg and won't buy organic if it's grown out of the UK (what's the point if it's flown halfway across the world? in my eyes). Buy my fruit and veg from the local market (I'm lucky to live in a rural county) and try to home cook as much as possible. But, and it's a big but. I will not beat myself up if I have a binge on a Domino's pizza and a tub of Haagan Daaz. I'm healthy most of the time and that's what is important for me I rarely post on the main boards because of the rigidity. I like flexibility.0
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Very insightful thread with lots of great info. I am brand new to the "clean eating" way of life. I have spent most of my many attempts trying different diets, including the super low cal (under 1000 per day), low fat, low carb, etc. Of course nothing has truly worked and I am now believing it is because I always kept processed foods in my diet. I am now looking forward to letting all of that go and eating real, healthy and whole foods.0
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I am glad I found this group - it is right up my alley I too am frustrated by the main boards and the bashing that goes on and misinformation. I eat as clean as I can - am I perfect no but I am so much better than I was a few years ago! We would rather eat at home because it tastes so much better and nothing is better than harvesting your own stuff , cooking it, and eating it! I just had a person tell me my eggs are amazing and that they have never seen such standup orange yolks - free ranging happy chickens that don't even eat scratch in the summer because they are too busy hunting bugs! Our happy cow each year that lays under a tree eating grass with its herd mates until time comes to be made into wonderful food for us! Such a difference such a difference.0
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yes! they are driving me crazy...I swear they act like it's ok if I eat 1200 calories of oreos as long as I eat 1200 calories it doesn't matter. seriously?0
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beachhouse758 wrote: »I'm so glad I found this thread! I feel exactly the same way.
I recently opened this account, but I had an account last year. It seems like people are getting snarkier and seem to gang up on whomever posts an unpopular view -- such as "fast food and donuts are not healthy"
I *have* found a lot of useful information on the boards. But I have also seen a lot of negativity and mob mentality.
I mean, it is OK to disagree on topics, but it is not OK to gang up on posters and ridicule them with GIFs and spam threads with "Mean Girls" attitudes.
Also, don't get me wrong, I love bacon.
And I will indulge occasionally. As a matter of fact tomorrow I plant to make the Skinnytaste Asparagus Salad with Crumbled Bacon...but I digress.
I would like a place to learn about whole foods and nutrition. I enjoy how I feel when I eat better. So, to me, it is more than just creating a caloric deficit without mind to the quality of my food.
Thank you for opening this subject.
Moderators will remove these posts, but people need to use the Flag > Report feature, and it is not obvious that that is the one you need to use to alert a mod.
They've been cracking down lately, which is good to see.
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So glad to have found this group and excited to share ideas! I'm passionate about nutrition and clean eating so it's nice to have a group dedicated to this topic.0
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A calorie is NOT just a calorie!! I want to scream that on the main boards...lol.0
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Yes, I agree and am glad to have this board. I got into a discussion today on one of the threads...some innocent person put "clean eating" in the title and it blew up from there. A few of us said we were giving up processed food and someone tried to say that we'd have to give up everything then because that steak was "processed" (killed, butchered, wrapped, shipped, etc.) So annoying because of course they know what we mean when we say "giving up processed food".
Read the label on Hamburger Helper and then tell me why that's equal to me making it at home with meat, tomatoes, spices, and pasta of my choice. ugh.
Yeah, I need to stop answering those people. I do always send a private message to the original posters of those threads, especially if it's some innocent new person, and I invite them to this board and/or the low carb board.
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Agreed Monklady. I think some people see clean eating as living off leaves and berries! Pass me that home made ice cream please
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Monklady123 wrote: »Yes, I agree and am glad to have this board. I got into a discussion today on one of the threads...some innocent person put "clean eating" in the title and it blew up from there. A few of us said we were giving up processed food and someone tried to say that we'd have to give up everything then because that steak was "processed" (killed, butchered, wrapped, shipped, etc.) So annoying because of course they know what we mean when we say "giving up processed food".
Read the label on Hamburger Helper and then tell me why that's equal to me making it at home with meat, tomatoes, spices, and pasta of my choice. ugh.
Yeah, I need to stop answering those people. I do always send a private message to the original posters of those threads, especially if it's some innocent new person, and I invite them to this board and/or the low carb board.
I sent a PM to the OP of the this thread as well. I won't post much on the main boards. I had someone answer a question I had posted in one of the groups I belong to and stated weight loss is linear, yada yada. Yes, I know that, but that wasn't answering my question.0 -
A calorie is NOT just a calorie!! I want to scream that on the main boards...lol.
Although I agree that the people on the main forums are not sensitive to others.. a calorie IS a calorie - a calorie itself is just energy, nothing more, nothing less. Your body burns them the same way - whether you get the nutrients or not from it doesn't matter to actual weight lose. Yes, you can eat calorie deficient eating Oreos and still lose weight, you won't be very healthy but will make your dentist very happy.
I believe calorie deficient while eating whole foods its the way to go IF you can make it sustainable for your everyday life. 0 -
MsJulesRenee wrote: »A calorie is NOT just a calorie!! I want to scream that on the main boards...lol.
Although I agree that the people on the main forums are not sensitive to others.. a calorie IS a calorie - a calorie itself is just energy, nothing more, nothing less. Your body burns them the same way - whether you get the nutrients or not from it doesn't matter to actual weight lose. Yes, you can eat calorie deficient eating Oreos and still lose weight, you won't be very healthy but will make your dentist very happy. I believe calorie deficient while eating whole foods its the way to go IF you can make it sustainable for your everyday life.
30 years from now I want you to remember what you posted. Your opinion may change. You are correct with your statement IF you can make it sustainable for your everyday life.
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MsJulesRenee wrote: »A calorie is NOT just a calorie!! I want to scream that on the main boards...lol.
Although I agree that the people on the main forums are not sensitive to others.. a calorie IS a calorie - a calorie itself is just energy, nothing more, nothing less. Your body burns them the same way - whether you get the nutrients or not from it doesn't matter to actual weight lose. Yes, you can eat calorie deficient eating Oreos and still lose weight, you won't be very healthy but will make your dentist very happy. I believe calorie deficient while eating whole foods its the way to go IF you can make it sustainable for your everyday life.
30 years from now I want you to remember what you posted. Your opinion may change. You are correct with your statement IF you can make it sustainable for your everyday life.
It's not an opinion, that is how bodies work. Science might change, but that is not an opinion either. Whether you want to get your calories from whole food or processed food, it burns the same in the end. This is strictly for weightloss - not health. That is why they keep saying "CICO" - how you consume your calories is up to you, but it is still the calorie deficient that make you lose weight. I am on the same side as you, just explaining why they say what they say on the main forums. Knowledge is power.0 -
Hi! So glad I took the time this today to really check this Community out and found this group. I am trying to eat cleaner. I just set my Diary to open so if anyone wants to look and let me know, feel free. Is there a place to go read up on exactly what "clean eating" means? For the most part, I make my meals at home. I rarely eat out and rarely eat something from a "box". I do eat lunch meats, canadian bacon and sausages (switched to veggie sausage recently).
Anyway, just VERY glad to have found this group. It seems more "real" and friendly and its easier on the eye. I have not read much at the main boards but on the WW message boards I read some posts about how there are some very opinionated and domineering folk here so I sort of paid attention and definitely noticed some of that going on.
Yes, I do follow the WW plan, I am in week 5. For me, for now, it is helping me learn how and what to eat within my calories at maximum nutrition. I am giving it the 3 months and will decide after that if I want to continue with it or just use MFP to track calories and nutrients. I do not use WW points for empty foods.0 -
I'm trying to get on the band wagon and eating as clean as possible. I've finally lost some weight for the first time in a long time. Can anybody recommend some places to get some good clean eating recipes?0
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MsJulesRenee wrote: »MsJulesRenee wrote: »A calorie is NOT just a calorie!! I want to scream that on the main boards...lol.
Although I agree that the people on the main forums are not sensitive to others.. a calorie IS a calorie - a calorie itself is just energy, nothing more, nothing less. Your body burns them the same way - whether you get the nutrients or not from it doesn't matter to actual weight lose. Yes, you can eat calorie deficient eating Oreos and still lose weight, you won't be very healthy but will make your dentist very happy. I believe calorie deficient while eating whole foods its the way to go IF you can make it sustainable for your everyday life.
30 years from now I want you to remember what you posted. Your opinion may change. You are correct with your statement IF you can make it sustainable for your everyday life.
It's not an opinion, that is how bodies work. Science might change, but that is not an opinion either. Whether you want to get your calories from whole food or processed food, it burns the same in the end. This is strictly for weightloss - not health. That is why they keep saying "CICO" - how you consume your calories is up to you, but it is still the calorie deficient that make you lose weight. I am on the same side as you, just explaining why they say what they say on the main forums. Knowledge is power.
Some of us have different opinions and why we have retreated from the main boards hence the name of this thread. If you were on the same side as me you wouldn't keep posting that. I know why they say it on the main boards. There is no reasoning with anyone from the main boards. Knowledge is power, but it should be the correct knowledge. It's like they have blinders on to only see CICO. I'm not going to discuss this with you anymore, just allow that people have different opinions. We have come here to discuss them. We don't want it's CICO thrown in our face all of the time.
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was happy to find this group the other day. I'm not sure I'm a "clean eater" - I'm not even sure I know what that means, but I DO know that I feel better when I eat certain foods or types of food and I feel worse when I eat others. So there's that.
But as someone who has a goal of remaining positive and trying to help people, I have to say that I've "retreated" from the main boards as well. I barely even read them anymore. I feel like the mods are making an effort but it's really the same 10 or 15 people ("shirtless mafia" truly made me laugh out loud) who are driving the rest of us who want to share our experience away.
Anyway... hi....
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Welcome to the group. Hopefully you can find some helpful information here.0
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MsJulesRenee wrote: »MsJulesRenee wrote: »A calorie is NOT just a calorie!! I want to scream that on the main boards...lol.
Although I agree that the people on the main forums are not sensitive to others.. a calorie IS a calorie - a calorie itself is just energy, nothing more, nothing less. Your body burns them the same way - whether you get the nutrients or not from it doesn't matter to actual weight lose. Yes, you can eat calorie deficient eating Oreos and still lose weight, you won't be very healthy but will make your dentist very happy. I believe calorie deficient while eating whole foods its the way to go IF you can make it sustainable for your everyday life.
30 years from now I want you to remember what you posted. Your opinion may change. You are correct with your statement IF you can make it sustainable for your everyday life.
It's not an opinion, that is how bodies work. Science might change, but that is not an opinion either. Whether you want to get your calories from whole food or processed food, it burns the same in the end. This is strictly for weightloss - not health. That is why they keep saying "CICO" - how you consume your calories is up to you, but it is still the calorie deficient that make you lose weight. I am on the same side as you, just explaining why they say what they say on the main forums. Knowledge is power.
Some of us have different opinions and why we have retreated from the main boards hence the name of this thread. If you were on the same side as me you wouldn't keep posting that. I know why they say it on the main boards. There is no reasoning with anyone from the main boards. Knowledge is power, but it should be the correct knowledge. It's like they have blinders on to only see CICO. I'm not going to discuss this with you anymore, just allow that people have different opinions. We have come here to discuss them. We don't want it's CICO thrown in our face all of the time.
Open any high school chemistry book and my "opinion" is right there. Calculating calories one of the first experiments you do in class. Calories and nutrients have nothing to do with each other in regards to losing weight, fact and proven. Clean eating is great for your health but not necessary to do for lose weight. Don't have get defensive about a friendly debate and explanation.0 -
MsJulesRenee wrote: »MsJulesRenee wrote: »MsJulesRenee wrote: »A calorie is NOT just a calorie!! I want to scream that on the main boards...lol.
Although I agree that the people on the main forums are not sensitive to others.. a calorie IS a calorie - a calorie itself is just energy, nothing more, nothing less. Your body burns them the same way - whether you get the nutrients or not from it doesn't matter to actual weight lose. Yes, you can eat calorie deficient eating Oreos and still lose weight, you won't be very healthy but will make your dentist very happy. I believe calorie deficient while eating whole foods its the way to go IF you can make it sustainable for your everyday life.
30 years from now I want you to remember what you posted. Your opinion may change. You are correct with your statement IF you can make it sustainable for your everyday life.
It's not an opinion, that is how bodies work. Science might change, but that is not an opinion either. Whether you want to get your calories from whole food or processed food, it burns the same in the end. This is strictly for weightloss - not health. That is why they keep saying "CICO" - how you consume your calories is up to you, but it is still the calorie deficient that make you lose weight. I am on the same side as you, just explaining why they say what they say on the main forums. Knowledge is power.
Some of us have different opinions and why we have retreated from the main boards hence the name of this thread. If you were on the same side as me you wouldn't keep posting that. I know why they say it on the main boards. There is no reasoning with anyone from the main boards. Knowledge is power, but it should be the correct knowledge. It's like they have blinders on to only see CICO. I'm not going to discuss this with you anymore, just allow that people have different opinions. We have come here to discuss them. We don't want it's CICO thrown in our face all of the time.
Open any high school chemistry book and my "opinion" is right there. Calculating calories one of the first experiments you do in class. Calories and nutrients have nothing to do with each other in regards to losing weight, fact and proven. Clean eating is great for your health but not necessary to do for lose weight. Don't have get defensive about a friendly debate and explanation.
WhMsJulesRenee wrote: »MsJulesRenee wrote: »MsJulesRenee wrote: »A calorie is NOT just a calorie!! I want to scream that on the main boards...lol.
Although I agree that the people on the main forums are not sensitive to others.. a calorie IS a calorie - a calorie itself is just energy, nothing more, nothing less. Your body burns them the same way - whether you get the nutrients or not from it doesn't matter to actual weight lose. Yes, you can eat calorie deficient eating Oreos and still lose weight, you won't be very healthy but will make your dentist very happy. I believe calorie deficient while eating whole foods its the way to go IF you can make it sustainable for your everyday life.
30 years from now I want you to remember what you posted. Your opinion may change. You are correct with your statement IF you can make it sustainable for your everyday life.
It's not an opinion, that is how bodies work. Science might change, but that is not an opinion either. Whether you want to get your calories from whole food or processed food, it burns the same in the end. This is strictly for weightloss - not health. That is why they keep saying "CICO" - how you consume your calories is up to you, but it is still the calorie deficient that make you lose weight. I am on the same side as you, just explaining why they say what they say on the main forums. Knowledge is power.
Some of us have different opinions and why we have retreated from the main boards hence the name of this thread. If you were on the same side as me you wouldn't keep posting that. I know why they say it on the main boards. There is no reasoning with anyone from the main boards. Knowledge is power, but it should be the correct knowledge. It's like they have blinders on to only see CICO. I'm not going to discuss this with you anymore, just allow that people have different opinions. We have come here to discuss them. We don't want it's CICO thrown in our face all of the time.
Open any high school chemistry book and my "opinion" is right there. Calculating calories one of the first experiments you do in class. Calories and nutrients have nothing to do with each other in regards to losing weight, fact and proven. Clean eating is great for your health but not necessary to do for lose weight. Don't have get defensive about a friendly debate and explanation.
So everything in a high school textbook is correct? Well that's a first. Oh and by the way I write textbooks, mind you not chemistry ones. Yes the body does burn calories but there are other influences in a body that affect what happens to that calorie. You are correct clean eating is great for your health but not necessary to lose weight. This is a clean eating group and the actual topic we are in is why some have retreated from the main boards. What don't you understand about that?0 -
I'm happy to find like-minded people - its quite odd that sometimes people don't understand that losing weight is not just about losing lbs on a scale, but about become healthier physically and mentally. I want my food to nourish my body and keep me happy and alert, and ward off depression, diabetes, liver problems, endocrine maladaptations, and mood swings. I want my calories to provide me with energy for strength and endurance. How in the world can a calorie be just a calorie when it comes to weightloss then? It isn't burned the same way, it isn't used the same way by the body, it doesn't sustain health or nourish the same way... Anyway, in short, glad to meet you guys.0
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I'm not fully clean-eating yet but it's definitely my ultimate aim. So glad to find this board, was despairing on the main board. I looked for a sugar discussion v and the ones I found quickly descended into accusing the OP of judging others and basically being self-righteous plus arguing cutting out/down sugar wasnt that beneficial or even possible. What?!0
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Relatively new to MFP, less than a month in. I'm glad to have found this group. This is where I want to be. :-)0
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I'm happy to find like-minded people - its quite odd that sometimes people don't understand that losing weight is not just about losing lbs on a scale, but about become healthier physically and mentally. I want my food to nourish my body and keep me happy and alert, and ward off depression, diabetes, liver problems, endocrine maladaptations, and mood swings. I want my calories to provide me with energy for strength and endurance. How in the world can a calorie be just a calorie when it comes to weightloss then? It isn't burned the same way, it isn't used the same way by the body, it doesn't sustain health or nourish the same way... Anyway, in short, glad to meet you guys.
Well said. I am not going to even start trying to argue the calorie in calorie out thing. I just don't care enough about that! What I do care about is what the food I put in to my body does for my body, mind, and health. Period.
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People want to be able to eat anything they want and still lose weight not possible I have been doing daniel plan for awhile which is basically a clean eating plan breads and sugar are my downfall kind of cheated over weekend but trying to get back on track but I am the lowest I have been in years working to find fittness that works for me dont really want to go to gym I am 550
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A calorie is a calorie if your only goal is to loose weight...
Loosing weight will bring great health benefits...
I think many of us just see that we want to be healthy from the inside out, not just loose the weight. I think that is some of the focus of clean eating> to only put foods in our body that will make us healthier. My main take away is to not put man made chemicals into my body because my body has to work harder to get them processed and eliminated.
Anyway my main reason for posting was to include some websites with pretty good clean eating recipes... (hoping that others will include some of their online resources as well
http://www.100daysofrealfood.com/
http://dontwastethecrumbs.com/
These are 2 of my go to websites...
What clean eating sites do you all frequent?0 -
Glad I found this group. People act like you're preaching to them about religion anytime you mention clean eating.0
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I think after reading these posts that I'm going to like this board! I need some help cleaning up my diet. We eat healthy and clean 80% of the time, work out, but it's that 20% that we use to think (we eat well and work out so we can eat what we want on the weekends) that has now caught up with me. I'm still stunned that someone wanted to argue that oreo's are healthy.. 0
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Hi everyone! During my recent doctor visit I expressed my worry that my weight has been going up and up and that I was a bit at a loss when it came to how to get it down again. I kept repeating my scale numbers from before I had been very sick and the ones now.. What the doctor told me really surprised me, but it actually makes sense. She said that recent research is finding that the number on the scale means nothing really. That there are people who are even 50 lbs above their 'proper' weight, but are metabolically fit, while others, who are even on the low end of their 'normal' weight have metabolic profiles of 'obese' individuals (as that word used to be defined). She said the important thing is to have a healthy diet (which includes the notion of portion control) and to exercise and that the rest will take care of itself. It made a difference for me and so.. here I am, trying to make these words practice! I'm new to it, so I'm looking forward to tips and advice! Thank you for starting this!0
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I swear the ones in the main forums are just hangry (hungry angry).0
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