Eat Bacon, Don't Jog
FIT_Goat
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My friend just posted a picture of this book on my Facebook timeline.
LOL...
It does basically sum up my advice for health and weight loss.
Apparently this is a common theme. These is another book called Eat Meat And Stop Jogging: 'Common' Advice On How To Get Fit Is Keeping You Fat And Making You Sick
I've got too much on my reading plate, at the moment, but these will probably make their way onto my list eventually.
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you know, I may steal this.
I was stalled for two months. kept gaining and losing the same 500g. Then I started seeing the recent studies showing that exercise doesn't really help you lose weight. Make you healthy yes, lose weight no.
So, I stopped. I stopped doing step aerobics 3x a week, I stopped hiking up a side of a mountain 2x a week.
I am down to walking the dogs 1 mile a day and pilates 2x a week.
I have lost 6.3 lbs and 3.2% of BF in the past 30 days.
So I agree. More bacon, less sweat!0 -
FWIW, neither of those books are suggesting that you don't exercise. They want you to do strenuous exercises till exhaustion. Burpees instead of jogging. (I hate burpees.)0
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Pretty much the same as "The Calorie Myth" book I've talked about before. Still the name is pretty funny and awesome. I tell people all the time that I actually work out less than I used to when I was trying to eat less and exercise but still gaining weight.0
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hog poopy. Exercises uses energy. Energy is what is used to fuel the body during exertion.
I do MUCH better losing while exercising than not. I know I am burning fat now, instead of carbs for the energy needed to work out.
Also, more muscle which burns calories and tones the body. Nothing worse than loose skin on the journey to losing weight.
Don't stop moving. Muscle weighs more than fat. Muscle on! Throw out the scale.
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I hit the star thingy in the corner of the original post so I can look them up. I am just getting on the wagon so idk which i believe is more true, but good reads, yes! Hope the star thingy is useful. Lol.0
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I don't exercise to lose weight I do it for keeping my body lean. I don't run either, 30 min of a day of some cardio and strength to bring your body in shape worth every minute.0
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If you were sedentary before, jogging is strength training! My leg muscles have become nicely defined. Combined with my bodyweight exercises, I'm looking good nekkid.
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annieboomboom wrote: »hog poopy. Exercises uses energy. Energy is what is used to fuel the body during exertion.
I do MUCH better losing while exercising than not. I know I am burning fat now, instead of carbs for the energy needed to work out.
Also, more muscle which burns calories and tones the body. Nothing worse than loose skin on the journey to losing weight.
Don't stop moving. Muscle weighs more than fat. Muscle on! Throw out the scale.
I disagree with most of this. I lost 60lbs. I did not lose more weight exercising than I did by not. There is no reason to work out like a mad person at the gym 6 times a week. You have to work real hard for an hour to earn what amounts to just a few extra calories. I don't workout now, I ride my horse once a week, that's pretty much it. And it is a common misconception regarding the muscle thing. You will NOT build muscle by "moving" or doing cardio. You will only build muscle if you are actually lifting to build muscle. Do you know how hard it is for your body to gain even 1lb of muscle? It doesn't just happen.
Not saying exercise is bad. Being fitter is great. It's just not a crucial part of losing weight.0 -
Cardio won't build muscles?
Running also builds bone strength.
And it may not help much with weight loss (mostly because it makes you hungry), but it seems to help with weight maintenance.
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annieboomboom wrote: »hog poopy. Exercises uses energy. Energy is what is used to fuel the body during exertion.
I do MUCH better losing while exercising than not. I know I am burning fat now, instead of carbs for the energy needed to work out.
Also, more muscle which burns calories and tones the body. Nothing worse than loose skin on the journey to losing weight.
Don't stop moving. Muscle weighs more than fat. Muscle on! Throw out the scale.
http://nymag.com/news/sports/38001/
That's Taubes' argument against the idea. He also covered it well in both his books. It's covered well by many other authors too.
Edit: It's five pages, and reading the whole thing is a really good idea. I'm not anti-exercise. I do plenty of it, when I want. But, it's not for weight loss.0 -
Cardio won't build muscles?
Running also builds bone strength.
And it may not help much with weight loss (mostly because it makes you hungry), but it seems to help with weight maintenance.
That is not really a representation of the average person. And I guarantee he lifts too, he doesn't just run.0 -
As I said before, if you go from sedentary to jogging, you are strength training. You build muscle with progressively increasing load. For example, when you run faster than you did before, you are increasing the load.
The guy in the picture is a sprinter. Lots of load on his muscles. You will not find a sprinter without muscles, even the "average" sprinter will grow muscle.0 -
We will have to agree to disagree I think. The average person going to the gym or walking or whatever several times a week is NOT going to put on enough extra muscle to greatly affect either their weight or their calorie burning.0
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The average person around here is overweight. That's like wearing a weight vest ALL THE TIME. Overweight people have more muscle mass than underweight people. If you want to MAINTAIN that muscle, then exercise. If you want to INCREASE that muscle, increase the load as you exercise. The type of exercise doesn't matter much, but leg-based exercises will load more muscle fibers, and that's a Good Thing.
If you want studies, let me know, but common sense will tell you that adequate protein + exercise will help you maintain muscle mass and lose the stuff that matters -- FAT (as opposed to WEIGHT).0 -
As I said before, if you go from sedentary to jogging, you are strength training. You build muscle with progressively increasing load. For example, when you run faster than you did before, you are increasing the load.
The guy in the picture is a sprinter. Lots of load on his muscles. You will not find a sprinter without muscles, even the "average" sprinter will grow muscle.
Sprinting is not jogging.0 -
Dragonwolf wrote: »Sprinting is not jogging.
Did not know that. How embarrassing.
Does that mean if somebody who can only walk at 3mph progressively becomes able to run at 6mph, they did it without any muscle gain because they did not sprint? How fast must they go before it is considered a "sprint" for the sedentary?
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This seems very topical, I read it tonight: http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/05/15/take-off-that-fitbit-exercise-alone-wont-make-you-lose-weight/0
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I'm from the school that believes that the only reason to walk there is if you don't have a car, and you don't have the money for a taxi. But I walk for all the other reasons it's a good idea: endurance, fresh air, sightseeing, etc. I want to be able to walk for long distances if I ever NEED to do so. That's why I'm training. It's also fun to move your body. I like to dance. It gives you stamina, creative expression, social interaction, grace, balance, and muscle definition. Exercise is good, regardless of how effective it is in reducing the number on the scale.0
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Oh, and OP, love the poster.0
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I can"t exercise right now and I kinda miss it. Especially kayaking. I feel better when I get some exercise, but I certainly can"t . complain that I am eating bacon and losing weight. Life is good.0
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yeswehave8 wrote: »This seems very topical, I read it tonight: http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/05/15/take-off-that-fitbit-exercise-alone-wont-make-you-lose-weight/
Thanks for that link. I follow that guy on Twitter, and love it that he refers to Tim Noakes! I exercise a bit everyday, and feel better for it. But yeah, thinking that ONLY exercise is enough is not going to fix things.0 -
We need to know our own bodies and what they respond to. I cannot imagine remaining sedentary whether I was over weight or not. Strength, mind clarity, and the sense of well being exercise gives to me.
I would rather have muscle weight than loose skin , no tone and feel myself getting weaker. No one said it has to be 6 days a week unless you are training. At my age, it is necessary to keep myself strong so I stay out of a walker like my mother did not.
Use what you have. It's there for a reason.
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annieboomboom wrote: »I would rather have muscle weight than loose skin , no tone and feel myself getting weaker. No one said it has to be 6 days a week unless you are training. At my age, it is necessary to keep myself strong so I stay out of a walker like my mother did not.
Exactly, exercise for health and strength. It helps with muscle tone, bone density, mental attitude, and a host of other beneficial things. It just stinks for weight loss. And prolonged cardio (like jogging) in particular tends to be most counter-productive as your body quickly adapts to the physical needs and becomes very efficient doing it, but the appetite and stress hormones tend to stay elevated even when the calorie burn no longer really is.
It is truly amazing how efficient our bodies can be when it comes to movement and exercise, especially compared to the base cost of life itself (heating the body, repairing the body, fueling the brain, etc.).0 -
For definition, I think that jogging is sustainable, whilst sprinting is near flat out. I can jog for a couple of kilometres (a mile or so) but I can only sprint for around 150 metres/yards before my breathing gets out of whack and I have to stop.0
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Steady-state cardio, like jogging, isn't as bad as the book-writers would have us believe. Sure, if the effort is low, it won't build muscle mass like weight lifting. It then becomes a slightly faster version of walking, which everyone agrees is good for you. Jogging will improve bone strength more than walking. It will burn calories faster than walking. It will have a larger "after burn" than walking.
If you jog, don't get discouraged by authors who try to be hip by being unconventional. The only studies I've seen that suggest steady-state cardio is counter-productive look at sessions > 1 hour. After an hour, you can potentially deplete antioxidants and begin suffering free radical damage.
HOWEVER, if you're in ketosis, your body is using less O2 for the same work, and is generating less oxidative stress. Jogging may be the ideal activity during ketosis! 0 -
Dragonwolf wrote: »Sprinting is not jogging.
Did not know that. How embarrassing.
Does that mean if somebody who can only walk at 3mph progressively becomes able to run at 6mph, they did it without any muscle gain because they did not sprint? How fast must they go before it is considered a "sprint" for the sedentary?
I was on my phone at the time and ended up more terse and less clear than I intended. My point was that beyond the initial newbie gains of, say, a Couch to 5K program, jogging doesn't really improve muscle tone. In fact, diminishing returns start setting in somewhere around the 5-10K mark and when you get into marathon level running, it actually starts becoming catabolic. Beyond something like half an hour of a moderate jogging pace, cortisol levels start becoming counterproductive to muscle gain.
Sprinting, however, is more like weight lifting or high intensity intervals -- short periods of all-out effort followed by periods of rest. This allows the workout to remain anabolic, so long as the person doesn't overdo it (again, beyond half an hour or so, cortisol levels start reaching the point of being catabolic).
This effect is actually quite beautifully illustrated by Howard Schatz's Athlete series. Nearly all of the long distance runners have very little muscle compared to their sprinter counterparts.
For most people, the problem arises because they don't generally look to gain speed, at least not in a way that works, and just go for sheer time and distance. The people that jog the most (the so-called "cardio bunnies") just jog at the same speed for upwards of hours on end (and then wonder why they can't lose weight). Programs like C25K work because it's interval training, not constant steady-state jogging.
That's largely what the book Goat posted is talking about. If you notice, the man on the cover is holding a kettlebell. The book likely isn't saying "don't exercise at all," but rather "steady-state jogging is not the right exercise for getting lean and strong in the long run."0 -
I can't jog or sprint due to old knees and formerly broken ankles, but I do walk moderately to brisk 1-3 miles a day. It helps reduce stress (one of the reasons I was overeating) and it 'moves' things along, if you catch my drift.
My thighs and calves are starting to tone and have some shapeliness too! It's all good in my book.0 -
@Dragonwolf: But noob gains like Couch-to-5K are probably applicable to most people here. It basically gets you to the point where you can sustain a jog, and that will generate muscle mass for the sedentary. That's one reason why I think books like this are asinine. More people are sedentary than are addicted to steady-state exercise. Who will benefit from the "don't jog" message?
Lift weights if you like to, but don't be discouraged from doing other exercises you might enjoy more.0 -
Who will benefit from the "don't jog" message?
People who think that is what exercise is supposed to look like because that's how the media portrays effective weight-loss exercise.
Also, reading this book and others of the same message, you get an exercise plan with it. It's much more approachable for someone who isn't doing a lot, physically, because it explains to them that a few minutes of exercise is just as good (maybe even better) than all that exercise they're afraid of. It makes them more likely to actually do something. Someone being told, "5 minutes of giving it all you've got" is more likely to think, "I can do anything for 5 minutes." Tell the same person, "just go out and jog for 20-30 minutes, even if it's slow" and they're not going to even try because working out for 20 minutes is way beyond them.0 -
I agree with Fit_Goat! I am the archetypal couch potato and for many different reasons not least being its just too hot/dangerous on the roads here in Dubai but for those of you who want to try a bit of exercise at home so no one else sees you and you dont need fancy clothes or any equipment you can do a lot worse than use some of the 'walking' dvds available on youtube. I have been known to use Leslie Sansone and I do her 3 mile walk but there are 10 minute ones or 48 minute ones to do at the pace that you can do! Quite a variety on there. And...its just walking with a few variations for fending off boredom and the addition of a few arm movements. Great for couch potatoes who want to move and start burning a few extra cals. I apologise now if anyone curses me for how upbeat and chatty she is and it drives you mad but it does help get you to the end...you are glad to turn her off!Lol.0
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