Official diabetes diet misinformation - any candidates for the Darwin Awards?
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New nominee for you: Dr. Phil. He just came out of the diabetes closet and is now promoting his own cure. Drugs + wholesome grains.
https://www.onitmovement.com/home.html
Dr. Phil is a Doctor in Money Making 101 with a specialization in Legal Drugs Are Good For You. Seriously, he has a Ph.D. in Psychology but he is not even licensed as a psychologist. He has a right to that "Dr." but he knows most people take it to mean he is a medical doctor and he makes no effort to clear it. If he hadn't credibility he wouldn't have landed this deal with Bydureon (I wonder how much he gets?).
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New nominee for you: Dr. Phil.
He just came out of the diabetes closet and is now promoting his own cure. Drugs + wholesome grains.
https://www.onitmovement.com/home.html
Bingo - extra jellybeans for you!
Honestly, that outfit is basically a drug website:
https://www.onitmovement.com/sitemap.html
(Dr. Phil offers to help find a suitable diabetes educator to get you started on Bydureon, the extended release version of Byetta....)
"Dr." Phil would be prosecuted where I live for his *kitten* use of the doctor title. He and Dr. Oz have a tremendous number of harmful statements to apologize for.0 -
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Alas, I'm still on Metformin. But perhaps resurrection day for my ability to eat chocolate eggs will come during my lifetime.
@RalfLott have you tried really dark high quality chocolate (85%+, no soy or other carbage)? That is my crutch when I crave sweet stuff and it doesn't alter my BG. And it's very difficult to overeat because it is so dense in nutrients, I usually have just 1-2 squares and honestly don't want more.
Before LCHF I could eat unlimited amounts of chocolate but what I was addicted to wasn't the chocolate, it was the sugar. When I switched to very dark chocolate (I now have 99%) and took away the "forbidden food" label from it I found that since I can have it whenever I want it, I rarely want it. But I don't fool myself, dark chocolate can stay months in the pantry but I'm not brave enough to have the junk chocolate I loved anywhere I can reach (OMG, Mars, Milky Way... I bet my BG has gone up just thinking about it).
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KetoGirl83 wrote: »
@RalfLott have you tried really dark high quality chocolate (85%+, no soy or other carbage)? That is my crutch when I crave sweet stuff and it doesn't alter my BG. And it's very difficult to overeat because it is so dense in nutrients, I usually have just 1-2 squares and honestly don't want more.
Before LCHF I could eat unlimited amounts of chocolate but what I was addicted to wasn't the chocolate, it was the sugar. When I switched to very dark chocolate (I now have 99%) and took away the "forbidden food" label from it I found that since I can have it whenever I want it, I rarely want it. But I don't fool myself, dark chocolate can stay months in the pantry but I'm not brave enough to have the junk chocolate I loved anywhere I can reach (OMG, Mars, Milky Way... I bet my BG has gone up just thinking about it).
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Well, I do have a little high% chocolate now and then, and that more than satisfies my residual chocolate urges.
(But it might not put much of a dent in the covetous desire that's sure to arise while watching my family dig into plates of apple pie with cinnamon ice cream this afternoon. I may kill a whole bottle of peppermint mouthwash before sunfall.)0 -
"Dr." Phil would be prosecuted where I live for his *kitten* use of the doctor title. He and Dr. Oz have a tremendous number of harmful statements to apologize for.
While I'm not crazy about either of them, Dr. Oz is a real doctor and a practising surgeon. He is a bit too much into alternative medicine for my liking, sometimes a lot more "alternative" than "medicine" but he is a competent doctor. Even though he undoubtedly makes money from dubious new age "discoveries" I've never seen him condoning real drugs, if anything he goes too far the other way.
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(But it might not put much of a dent in the covetous desire that's sure to arise while watching my family dig into plates of apple pie with cinnamon ice cream this afternoon. I may kill a whole bottle of peppermint mouthwash before sunfall.)
That's the most difficult for me as well. Because it's family and it's comfort food and that stuff has emotional power (this is just the kind of occasion when I use metformin to cheat a little). I may try the mouthwash solution instead!
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KetoGirl83 wrote: »
That's the most difficult for me as well. Because it's family and it's comfort food and that stuff has emotional power (this is just the kind of occasion when I use metformin to cheat a little). I may try the mouthwash solution instead!
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Extra bonus - mouthwash floats are awful.
(Ok, they're not awful, they're just not as good as the genuine article...)
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I hadn't even thought about ADA-branded cookbooks.
A campfire might be a better home for your book than anywhere someone else might read it!
A quick look around Scribd and Amazon for similar ADA carb-rich recipe collections revealed exactly what you would have guessed. For example, the ADA's "Diabetes Comfort Food Cookbook" has entire chapters on pasta dishes and desserts and includes such glucose-spikers as:-
Ambrosia (19g carbs, 15 sugar per 4 oz) and
Spaghetti Carbonara (36g carbs per serving, using low- or fat-free ricotta and half-and-half)
The top comment at Amazon says:The carb counts in this book are WRONG. Some are seriously wrong. My 12 year old daughter is newly diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. I got this book for her and she was grateful to have something with carbs listed, so she could plan her insulin shots and meals. She picked a recipe with black beans and rice, which had carbs listed at 6 g per 1 cup serving. She was so excited she could have two cups for 12 g. I stopped and looked at the meal, which was comprised entirely of rice with some black beans and spices and thought the count seemed wrong. Cooked rice AND black beans have carb counts of 43 g per cup. She started crying when I told her the book was wrong. She had one cup, gave herself appropriate insulin for 43 g and her later blood sugar checks made us glad we didn't believe THIS COMPLETELY INACCURATE CARB COUNT.
These gems are definitely getting into the tournament.
This was initially written as an ADA book, then after she turned it in, they suddenly said it was too low carb, even though they had known what was going to be in it the entire time. Too bad.
http://www.amazon.com/Nourished-Cookbook-Health-Metabolic-Balance/dp/09792018100 -
cedarsidefarm wrote: »This is exactly why I'm so glad I found this board and this WOE. When the doctor ever sent me to a nutritionist who gave myself and my husband a pamphlet (the same one they've been handing out for at least 10 years now) that said most of what's in that article, that was it for me. When I told her that this is how I've been eating for 10 years now, with no improvement, she said I must be cheating. I haven't looked back.
I watch my Mom go from doctor to doctor. Each one putting her on low calorie, low fat diet. After each diet she would gain back the weight and even more. She kept getting heavier and heavier. She got type 2 diabetes and all sorts of stomach problems. She bragged to me today that she weighed less than 200 pounds and she is only 5'4". She's 83 and almost bed ridden. God love her she keeps on trying.
I've been telling her about my LCHF diet. If I'm successful maybe she will try it.
@cedarsidefarm I was 63 when I started this WOE Oct 2014 hoping to manage my joint and muscle pain by diet vs starting Enbrel injections. It fixed me in more ways than have time to say but I was about to become house bound and needed help to get out of the car.
Keep helping yourself and maybe your Mom will realize the value. I did not know about Nutritional Ketosis at the time but when off of sugars and all forms of all grains cold turkey on a hunch it would fix me. It has change life of my family too.1 -
I'm a diabetic and am in several diabetes groups on social media. In one of the groups, someone asked for ideas for low carb snacks. This is a very reasonable question. Then someone else in the group posted 3 responses in meme and picture form. Every one of them had several (if not exclusively) carb-heavy foods such as whole-grain bread, pineapple, and one of them was just a photo of large waffle cones stuffed with grapes and other fruits. Under each of these responses, I mentioned foods from that response with a lot of carbs. The person complained to one of the mods, who then took her side and deleted 2 of my 3 responses. The mod and I chatted and I explained that these do not answer the question about low carb. Her response was that they are "healthy" and therefore they do answer the question... WTF?! Then she complained it was rude of me to respond to every one of this other person's responses. Really?! If one of the responses includes pineapple, it is totally reasonable to mention that pineapple is not low carb. If another response includes whole wheat bread, it is reasonable to respond to that one to call that out. Some people are just unreasonable.
I understand most medical practitioners are experts on nothing and just know a little bit about everything... that is the idea of general practice. One would expect specialists (endocrinologists and CDE's) to educate diabetic patients about carbs, though.3 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »I'm a diabetic and am in several diabetes groups on social media. In one of the groups, someone asked for ideas for low carb snacks. This is a very reasonable question. Then someone else in the group posted 3 responses in meme and picture form. Every one of them had several (if not exclusively) carb-heavy foods such as whole-grain bread, pineapple, and one of them was just a photo of large waffle cones stuffed with grapes and other fruits. Under each of these responses, I mentioned foods from that response with a lot of carbs. The person complained to one of the mods, who then took her side and deleted 2 of my 3 responses. The mod and I chatted and I explained that these do not answer the question about low carb. Her response was that they are "healthy" and therefore they do answer the question... WTF?! Then she complained it was rude of me to respond to every one of this other person's responses. Really?! If one of the responses includes pineapple, it is totally reasonable to mention that pineapple is not low carb. If another response includes whole wheat bread, it is reasonable to respond to that one to call that out. Some people are just unreasonable.
I understand most medical practitioners are experts on nothing and just know a little bit about everything... that is the idea of general practice. One would expect specialists (endocrinologists and CDE's) to educate diabetic patients about carbs, though.
They need to be educated first. When my numbers came back prediabetic, my endo told me to eat more fruits a nd veggies, and lean meats.... Carbs and more proetin. I suppose I could give her the beneft of the doubt and assume she was implying that I should cut back on sugars and grains and replace them with veggies and some fruits.... Maybe, if I am feeling magnanimous... And then she said my GP would monitor my BG, which I took to mean: watch it until it became bad enough to treat.
I went against her advice. Completely. She wasn't happy but I don't see her anymore so who cares.
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Wow! @midwesterner85 that's just total ignorance on their part. Plain and simple!
So, I was curious...
It's so difficult for a diabetic to get actually helpful advice about diet online. Or anywhere for that matter... But I started wondering if people with diabetic cats have as much trouble. Lol
Well, here's what I got for the top 5 links Google returned for the search term "good diet for diabetic cat" and "good diet for type 2 diabetic"
Comparing diabetic cat diet recommendations to diabetic human diet recommendations
Cat sites
"Look for a food that contains little or NO cereals, vegetables or fruits of any kind"
http://www.yourdiabeticcat.com/diet.html
This site refers to "dry food addicts" having a hard time switching to canned food. Lol
http://www.catinfo.org/?link=felinediabetes
Pretty much says use insulin and high protein low carb diet.
http://www.m.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/feeding-tips-for-a-cat-with-diabetes
Cats are designed to consume foods that are high in protein, moderate in fat and very low in carbohydrates. The following composition is ideal:
* 50 percent (or greater) of calories from animal-based protein
* 20-45 percent of calories from fat
* 1-2 percent of calories from carbohydrates
* Rich in water (approximately 70 percent by weight)
http://www.vetstreet.com/our-pet-experts/feeding-the-diabetic-cat
Humans
"Best and Worst Type 2 Diabetes Choices by Food Group
As you fill your plate at each meal, here’s a helpful guideline to keep in mind: Fill half your plate with non-starchy vegetables. Round out the meal with other healthy choices — whole grains, nuts and seeds, lean protein, low-fat dairy, and small portions of fresh fruits and healthy fats. Sugar should be limited, says Massey."
http://www.everydayhealth.com/hs/managing-type-2-diabetes/best-and-worst-foods/
Lots of tips to eat low fat and "healthy carbs"
http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/
Links to several recommended diet plans web sites. All of which are designed around low fat, lots of veggies and "healthy grains", it does credit a Mediterranean diet as well. Certainly no low carb, high fat.
http://www.m.webmd.com/diabetes/features/best-diet-type-2-diabetes
"One carbohydrate serving equals 15 grams of carbohydrates."
WOW! Every carbohydrate food single serving is 15g carbs. That's news to me!
http://www.m.webmd.com/diabetes/eating-right
More low fat, fruit and veg recommendations.
http://www.healthline.com/health-slideshow/ten-diabetes-super-foods#10
So, you can see all 5 of the top, non advertisement, links advocate a very low carb diet for cats. Every single one provide simple information that tells you that carbs make controlling it very very difficult.
But, all 5 of the human diet links tell you to eat low fat and "healthy carbs".
The cat sites sometimes mentioned that carbohydrates are a non essential macronutrient. But that was NEVER mentioned on the human site. As a matter of fact, they make sure you believe they are quite necessary.
The cat sites very often talk about eliminating the need for insulin and likelihood of diabetic remission. The human sites may have had a line buried on there somewhere about that, but I didn't see one. It's certainly not as readily discussed as the cat sites.
ALL of the sites blame being fat on causing diabetes (pretty much) because they assure you that all you need to do is lose the fat to make it better.
So, for cats, don't eat carbs even though they aren't what caused diabetes, stop being so fat and diabetes can go into remission. Ok. Halfway there...
For humans, eat "healthy carbs", stop being so fat and learn to live with diabetes.
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@Sunny_Bunny_ maybe we'd all be better off seeing a vet? lol5
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@Sunny_Bunny_ There is a website with message boards to share knowledge about feline diabetes. FDMB Wet food is really helpful, and I feed mine Fancy Feast Classic Turkey & Giblets. It has 4% carbs compared to 50%-70% for a lot of dry foods. Even the wet food with gravy has higher carbs for the gravy. My diabetic cat started on insulin at diagnosis... I spent a month getting his BG's lowered with a mixed (bolus and basal) insulin (Vetsulin) before switching to a basal only insulin (Lantus) and a low carb wet diet. Over the next few weeks, I weaned his insulin down until he no longer needed any at all. The low carb wet food diet works really well for cats.2
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Aha - the Feline Diet!
**Brilliant **
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midwesterner85 wrote: »@Sunny_Bunny_ There is a website with message boards to share knowledge about feline diabetes. FDMB Wet food is really helpful, and I feed mine Fancy Feast Classic Turkey & Giblets. It has 4% carbs compared to 50%-70% for a lot of dry foods. Even the wet food with gravy has higher carbs for the gravy. My diabetic cat started on insulin at diagnosis... I spent a month getting his BG's lowered with a mixed (bolus and basal) insulin (Vetsulin) before switching to a basal only insulin (Lantus) and a low carb wet diet. Over the next few weeks, I weaned his insulin down until he no longer needed any at all. The low carb wet food diet works really well for cats.
So glad to hear about your cats imptoved health!
I dont actually have a cat. We just have geckos and fish. Lol
I just KNEW the information I would find for a diabetic cat would make more sense somehow! I figured people would be more willing to do anything to save a buck to not need to buy insulin for them so they'd be more open to dietary options.
which is fine, since it's the healthier way to go anyway!
I wonder how many cats on insulin, dry food and calorie controlled diets still fail to lose weight? I'm guessing a whole lot! But CICO! And diabetes didn't make him fat, fat made him diabetic, right? Not!1 -
KetoGirl83 wrote: »(But it might not put much of a dent in the covetous desire that's sure to arise while watching my family dig into plates of apple pie with cinnamon ice cream this afternoon. I may kill a whole bottle of peppermint mouthwash before sunfall.)
That's the most difficult for me as well. Because it's family and it's comfort food and that stuff has emotional power (this is just the kind of occasion when I use metformin to cheat a little). I may try the mouthwash solution instead!
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How do you use metformin to cheat? Also, I saw on Dr. Jay Wortner's interview with the Diet Doctor that he makes his own low carb icecream with egg yolks and cream, but he didn't share the recipe!! Just saying you might have your own cinnamon icecream.
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Yes, my diabetes educator gave me the same spiel with needing 164g carbs a day for good sugar control and weight loss, so 10 months later i had gained 20 lbs and had so much water on my legs that i could barely walk. Five days into LCHF and i lost 11 lbs of water and can actually see my ankle bones again! I would recommend Dr. Jason Fung's video about the Perfect Diabetes Diet to her, if i thought her mind was open enough to appreciate it!1
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Also, I saw on Dr. Jay Wortner's interview with the Diet Doctor that he makes his own low carb icecream with egg yolks and cream, but he didn't share the recipe!! Just saying you might have your own cinnamon icecream.
http://www.drjaywortman.com/blog/wordpress/recipes/
He has an ice cream recipe here, along with a few others that look tasty!0 -
Also, I saw on Dr. Jay Wortner's interview with the Diet Doctor that he makes his own low carb icecream with egg yolks and cream, but he didn't share the recipe!! Just saying you might have your own cinnamon icecream.
http://www.drjaywortman.com/blog/wordpress/recipes/
He has an ice cream recipe here, along with a few others that look tasty!
Thanks, Twibbly! I have just been looking for those, but (oops) i got his name wrong apologies all! 0 -
Look at this surprising revelation!:
"WHO knew?"
http://www.france24.com/en/20160406-number-adults-with-diabetes-has-quadrupled-1980-who
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jellybelly4327 wrote: »Hi, I was told last week I am pre-diabetic. I see the nutritionist at the end of April. I am curious as to how many carbs you guys nutritionist's suggested for you daily. I am a vegetarian. No eggs, meat. I am in love with cheese. My glucose is high every time I take it. Yes, I was trying to limit my carbs to 45 per meal. I see that does not work. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Hey @jellybelly4327, welcome to the low carb group! Your question would be better answered by creating a separate thread with the text you put here. You can do this by clicking the "create" button at the top of the "Discussions" list on the main group page or discussions listing.0 -
An email I got today from Walgreens is clearly referencing the article about diabetes rates quadrupling since 1980, which of course, we know is related to the dietary guidelines that were developed that year that were all about low fat, resulting in high carbs.
http://www.sltrib.com/home/3748745-155/who-diabetes-rises-fourfold-over-last
Then you click the link to read the article so it can simply shove the very same advice down your sick, desperate to be healthy throat!
http://www.walgreens.com//topic/newsletters/April-Wellness-Newsletter-2016.jsp?ec=hncx75854_newsletterbutton&ep_rid=AAy$N9&ep_mid=_BXBYbpB9MW9zF40 -
Wow! That's a doozy. Hard not to appreciate the irony!
I have to suspect that maybe Walgreen's spell-checker accidentally deleted a few words....In general, a person with diabetes should [never] aim for meals that contain around 50 percent non-starchy vegetables (such as leafy greens, broccoli, green beans and bell peppers), about 25 percent starches (preferably fiber-rich whole grain ones or b]and, naturally, never, ever[/b starchy vegetables like sweet potatoes, squash and corn), and about 25 percent protein ([but not from poor, lipophobic choices] such as lean meats, low fat cheese or tofu).
This b]avoidable disaster[/b is a simple [but unhealthy] way to ensure a [poorly] balanced [high GI] meal without getting stuck on counting carbs or calories. [To learn more about effective diabetic diets, you should, of course, visit the LCD Group at MFP.]
http://www.walgreens.com/health/p2/s/500001/8-easy-delicious-ways-to-cook-for-diabetes/2131873/22 -
Walgreens sells medicine that treats diabetes. Higher carb = more insulin sales.0
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Judging from the banners flying at Walgreen's website, I'll bet the far-reaching tentacles of the ADA are also making themselves felt.0
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Wow! That's a doozy. Hard not to appreciate the irony!
I have to suspect that maybe Walgreen's spell-checker accidentally deleted a few words....In general, a person with diabetes should [never] aim for meals that contain around 50 percent non-starchy vegetables (such as leafy greens, broccoli, green beans and bell peppers), about 25 percent starches (preferably fiber-rich whole grain ones or b]and, naturally, never, ever[/b starchy vegetables like sweet potatoes, squash and corn), and about 25 percent protein ([but not from poor, lipophobic choices] such as lean meats, low fat cheese or tofu).
This b]avoidable disaster[/b is a simple [but unhealthy] way to ensure a [poorly] balanced [high GI] meal without getting stuck on counting carbs or calories. [To learn more about effective diabetic diets, you should, of course, visit the LCD Group at MFP.]
http://www.walgreens.com/health/p2/s/500001/8-easy-delicious-ways-to-cook-for-diabetes/2131873/2
You are so right!Judging from the banners flying at Walgreen's website, I'll bet the far-reaching tentacles of the ADA are also making themselves felt.
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Wow! That's a doozy. Hard not to appreciate the irony!
I have to suspect that maybe Walgreen's spell-checker accidentally deleted a few words....In general, a person with diabetes should [never] aim for meals that contain around 50 percent non-starchy vegetables (such as leafy greens, broccoli, green beans and bell peppers), about 25 percent starches (preferably fiber-rich whole grain ones or b]and, naturally, never, ever[/b starchy vegetables like sweet potatoes, squash and corn), and about 25 percent protein ([but not from poor, lipophobic choices] such as lean meats, low fat cheese or tofu).
This b]avoidable disaster[/b is a simple [but unhealthy] way to ensure a [poorly] balanced [high GI] meal without getting stuck on counting carbs or calories. [To learn more about effective diabetic diets, you should, of course, visit the LCD Group at MFP.]
http://www.walgreens.com/health/p2/s/500001/8-easy-delicious-ways-to-cook-for-diabetes/2131873/2
LOL! YUP!
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The ADA does get around!
Behind the ubiquitous presence of the ADA on commercial websites and in other ad copy is a turbo-charged marketing engine for monetizing the ADA's "charitable" brand.
For example, here's the ADA's "DiabetesPro" marketing page for corporate sponsorships:
http://professional.diabetes.org/content/sponsorship-opportunities
(No idea what Banting status gets you.)76th Scientific Sessions
June 10 - 14, 2016, New Orleans, Louisiana
Demonstrate your support of the Association and our mission "to prevent and cure diabetes" through highly sought after Scientific Sessions sponsorships. All sponsorships offer high visibility and reach to our attendees, your core diabetes market.
Investment in any of these ADA or Corporate Symposia opportunities counts toward Banting status with the Association for 2016.
There are A LOT of opportunities, and the price tags are pretty sweet. Here's a little taste:NEW: "Wellness Lives Here(SM)" Anchor Area
Be one of the first sponsors to join the Association's new Wellness Lives Here initiative by supporting our first "healthy lifestyle” area in the Exhibit Hall.
To mirror our Association messaging to consumers on living a healthy lifestyle, the area will consist of an activity stage with surrounding exhibits for companies that offer wellness products and services (food and exercise, apps, wearables, etc.). Seating will be provided for attendees and programming will be offered all day long for the 3 days that the Exhibit Hall is open. This will include cooking demonstrations, yoga/fitness demonstrations, wellness presentations, and more. Companies will have the opportunity to participate on several levels:
Single demonstration sponsorship*: Bring in a chef and do cooking demos, or a fitness instructor to demonstrate healthy exercise; sponsorship includes signage on stage during the demo, mentions in the Final Program and on the website, and in pre-conference e-newsletters. Fee: $10,000 for a 30-minute time slot (food and catering costs not included).
Presenting sponsorship*: A company can become the main presenting sponsor of the Wellness Lives Here(SM) area for the entire show. Sponsorship would include all benefits listed above, plus matinee signage on the main stage, a 10x20 corner booth, and the opportunity to present up to three (3) demonstrations. Fee: $85,000.
*Company must be an exhibitor in order to be a sponsor.
Just recently I noted in the disclosures of a recent research report lauding high-protein diets the sponsorship of not only various state Beef Councils (not surprising) but also the ADA. Since I can't believe the ADA could be milked for the same $$ as the beef councils, I was wondering just what benefit the researchers perceived in being able to list the ADA as a supporter. I'm guessing the beneficiaries might actually be the Beef Councils, whose sponsorship of the ADA resulted in the ADA appearing alongside them in the sponsorship credits.....
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@aggelikik - Cross-posting your citations here, where they'll be among "friends."Harvard medical school does not consider lchf the most beneficial choice: http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/low-fat-low-carb-or-mediterranean-which-diet-is-right-for-you
American heart assiciation still recommends not overdoing it in fat and limiting saturated fat: https://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Conditions/Cholesterol/PreventionTreatmentofHighCholesterol/Know-Your-Fats_UCM_305628_Article.jsp?appName=MobileApp
I am sure someone will post about them giving outdated advice, however I am also guessing that they have google, access to medical studies, access to research we do not even know exists yet, and can actually interpret these results better than the average poster here.
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