Non-American Carbs...what's up with them?

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  • KarlaYP
    KarlaYP Posts: 4,439 Member
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    I grew up on boxed cereals, packaged oatmeal and grits, cereal bars....I continued the practice into adulthood. Lots of frozen meals!! Way too many!! The thought makes me feel nauseated now! Bleh! What I did to us is sad! I'm so glad to have it out of my life forever!
  • bisky
    bisky Posts: 980 Member
    edited March 2016
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    "
    What a great opportunity!

    Your brief comments made my mouth water more than any any ad I saw today (even Coke and Cialis). Grazie!

    Do you keep a food journal/blog?

    Not surprisingly, estimated rates in Italy for diabetes are much lower than in the US (but climbing) . (Est 6% vs. 10%)[/quote]
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    Hi, I do not keep a journal or blog but maybe I should think about it.

    Today after a 5 K we went out to lunch and I had the best salad...I ordered a tuna salad not sure what to expect. It was amazing! I will try to post a picture. It was beautiful. Not necessarily low carb as it had about 2 tablespoons each of fresh corn and shredded carrots but no croutons. Little fresh mozzarella cheese balls, one egg, plus olives, pepper! It was arranged so pretty. Dressing was lemon infused olive oil (OMG). In Northern Italy you also order a liter of bottled sparkling or plain water (about $1.00-1.50). Then cappuccino after (we are Americans...Italians usually have cappuccinos in morning).

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  • bisky
    bisky Posts: 980 Member
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    Good thing I looked at picture, I forgot to log cheese and olives!
  • RalfLott
    RalfLott Posts: 5,036 Member
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    bisky wrote: »
    "
    What a great opportunity!

    Your brief comments made my mouth water more than any any ad I saw today (even Coke and Cialis). Grazie!

    Do you keep a food journal/blog?

    Not surprisingly, estimated rates in Italy for diabetes are much lower than in the US (but climbing) . (Est 6% vs. 10%)
    "

    Hi, I do not keep a journal or blog but maybe I should think about it.

    Today after a 5 K we went out to lunch and I had the best salad...I ordered a tuna salad not sure what to expect. It was amazing! I will try to post a picture. It was beautiful. Not necessarily low carb as it had about 2 tablespoons each of fresh corn and shredded carrots but no croutons. Little fresh mozzarella cheese balls, one egg, plus olives, pepper! It was arranged so pretty. Dressing was lemon infused olive oil (OMG). In Northern Italy you also order a liter of bottled sparkling or plain water (about $1.00-1.50). Then cappuccino after (we are Americans...Italians usually have cappuccinos in morning).

    zzxoxvkuilaf.jpg
    [/quote]

    Yum! (Even without anchovies.)

    PS Seriously, think about that blog. You're a good writer, and reading about LCHF in Italy v. USA would surely be interesting (if not agonizingly appetite-arousing).
  • MyPrimalLife
    MyPrimalLife Posts: 123 Member
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    read THE GREAT CHOLESTEROL CON by Dr. Malcolm Kendrik
    and
    WHY WE GET FAT by Gary Taubes
  • RalfLott
    RalfLott Posts: 5,036 Member
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    I saw a commercial the other day extolling the virtues of corn oil over olive oil.

    Yipes. Please tell me this was in the context of treating squeaky hinges!

  • MyPrimalLife
    MyPrimalLife Posts: 123 Member
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    RalfLott wrote: »
    I saw a commercial the other day extolling the virtues of corn oil over olive oil.

    Yipes. Please tell me this was in the context of treating squeaky hinges!

    and there used to be a commercial for HFCS - one lady refuses to drink punch with HFCS and the other lady asks why? the first lady couldn't answer. "brought to you by the corn industry"
  • auntstephie321
    auntstephie321 Posts: 3,586 Member
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    RalfLott wrote: »
    I saw a commercial the other day extolling the virtues of corn oil over olive oil.

    Yipes. Please tell me this was in the context of treating squeaky hinges!

    https://youtu.be/IUZr8VRJ7XA
  • RalfLott
    RalfLott Posts: 5,036 Member
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    RalfLott wrote: »
    I saw a commercial the other day extolling the virtues of corn oil over olive oil.

    Yipes. Please tell me this was in the context of treating squeaky hinges!
    https://youtu.be/IUZr8VRJ7XA

    Good God - the audacity! They're trying to muscle in on the statin market.

    The best thing I can say is that everything about that ad makes me think I'm going to crap my drawers. So if I ever need a laxative.....
  • RalfLott
    RalfLott Posts: 5,036 Member
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    RalfLott wrote: »
    I saw a commercial the other day extolling the virtues of corn oil over olive oil.

    Yipes. Please tell me this was in the context of treating squeaky hinges!

    and there used to be a commercial for HFCS - one lady refuses to drink punch with HFCS and the other lady asks why? the first lady couldn't answer. "brought to you by the corn industry"

    Ewww!

    The first lady may have thought the second lady wouldn't understand, "I'm concerned about the impending world insulin shortage."

    (And "HFCS is the turd in the punch bowl" probably wouldn' t have flown on daytime TV....)
  • dasher602014
    dasher602014 Posts: 1,992 Member
    edited March 2016
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    "I'm concerned about the impending world insulin shortage."

    Great come back! I will have to remember that the next time someone is pushing cake at me. I never liked cake anyway.
  • totaloblivia
    totaloblivia Posts: 1,164 Member
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    Frightening!
  • inspirationstation
    inspirationstation Posts: 209 Member
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    I think another big factor is eating out versus preparing home cooked meals. Because more women work in Western culture, there's less time for home cooked meals, and when people do eat at home, it's often a ready meal, not a meal prepared with fresh, raw ingredients. I know that's what contributed to my poor state of health.


    I agree with this. I work FT with a family and it is a challenge to get a wholesome meal on the table every night. Plus, I think American kids are busier...more structured activities...and combined with working parents make evening meals a mad dash around sports, dance, etc.

    It's a priority for me, so I cook healthy, but efficiently. I use my pressure cooker 4-5 nights a week, plus use it to make yogurt, hard-boiled eggs...everything in less time. I might cry if that thing every dies. ;)
  • Sugarbeat
    Sugarbeat Posts: 824 Member
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    I think its some part lack of education, some part processed foods, some part being super busy, and some part cultural holdovers on the food while we've become increasingly sedentary in lifestyle. I live in a state that is usually on the bottom of the "healthiest state" lists, as well as the economic lists. I don't know numbers or statistics and don't bother giving them to me because my eyes will simply glaze over :) . What I do know is that the state used to be heavily employed by coal miners, factory workers, sawmill workers, a few other industrial types, and a few farmers. Foods heavy in carbs were the norm because they were cheap and fed large families. Today, the factories are mostly gone, the mines are following at a rapid pace as is farming, and the most employable jobs are behind a desk. Carb heavy food is still cheap and feeds a lot of people. This is just what I've observed in my state, I've never been outside the country, and I can't say what other states do. I have a feeling this is the same throughout most of the states, though.
  • lithezebra
    lithezebra Posts: 3,670 Member
    edited March 2016
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    I think another big factor is eating out versus preparing home cooked meals. Because more women work in Western culture, there's less time for home cooked meals, and when people do eat at home, it's often a ready meal, not a meal prepared with fresh, raw ingredients. I know that's what contributed to my poor state of health.

    It depends on how you cook at home! LCHW is one diet that you probably could do eating out and ordering just meat and vegetables. I've always cooked, and I'm cooking different things now that I'm doing low carb.
  • hockeysniper8
    hockeysniper8 Posts: 253 Member
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    The portion sizes in every country are different. Example. Mcdonalds, I've been to Spain, Thailand and meals are smaller compared to usa.
  • Sarahb29
    Sarahb29 Posts: 952 Member
    edited March 2016
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    In Italy for example they DO eat pizza, but it's not the thick crust, cheese filled crust you see in Canada and the US. It's a homemade flat bread pizza, very thin, topped with lots of fresh toppings and fresh tomato sauce. They also walk a lot more than we do and have more time to walk/take vacations. In France they get about a months vacation, and in the US we get 2 weeks from date of hire and then have to "earn" the rest of the days. Retail is even worse.. 1 week for my husband. 1 week of vacation! Some places don't even offer vacation! This is all going to take a toll on us, some people work from 6am to 6pm (including travel time) then have to take care of kids, cook something within an hours time frame, get them to bed by 7 or 8pm, and that leaves you with maybe 1-2 hours to yourself if you're going to get a full nights sleep. This RUSH RUSH RUSH, work harder, work faster mentality has caught up to us so people become exhausted and choose relax/sleep over exercise.

    And don't get me started on high fructose corn syrup and other sugars being added into EVERYTHING. This compounds the issue.

    It's hard for the average US citizen to get as much exercise as people in other areas of the world when our free time doesn't stack up like theirs does. And I do say "ours" even though I am Canadian because Canada is catching up to the exact same mentality. Our people are so unhealthy due to all these factors and then some.. we should be demanding more from our politicians.. but that's a WHOLE different rant :)
  • lithezebra
    lithezebra Posts: 3,670 Member
    edited March 2016
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    The portion sizes in every country are different. Example. Mcdonalds, I've been to Spain, Thailand and meals are smaller compared to usa.

    This always confuses me. I've been to France a number of times, and the portions not only are not that small, but there are several bottles of wine with dinner, and sometimes lunch. There are plenty of carbs, and lots of fat. My French friends laughed at me because I couldn't finish dinner, and told me to go into training. Yet the people are noticeably slim, and it's rare to see obesity. I've noticed that there is little or no snacking, and that people walk a lot. However my working theory is that French people take pride in eating a large rich meal, and then secretly fast for a day or so.
  • MyPrimalLife
    MyPrimalLife Posts: 123 Member
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    lithezebra wrote: »
    The portion sizes in every country are different. Example. Mcdonalds, I've been to Spain, Thailand and meals are smaller compared to usa.

    This always confuses me. I've been to France a number of times, and the portions not only are not that small, but there are several bottles of wine with dinner, and sometimes lunch. There are plenty of carbs, and lots of fat. My French friends laughed at me because I couldn't finish dinner, and told me to go into training. Yet the people are noticeably slim, and it's rare to see obesity. I've noticed that there is little or no snacking, and that people walk a lot. However my working theory is that French people take pride in eating a large rich meal, and then secretly fast for a day or so.

    there is a great book called THE GREAT CHOLESTEROL CON by Dr. Kendrik
    it explains France, and other countries/cultures
    a great read.
  • hakamruth
    hakamruth Posts: 124 Member
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    Korean and Japanese food tend to be low in fat. They eat mainly fish and vegetable. They do eat huge portions of rice. I am not as well versed in the day to day eating of other Asian cultures but I imagine they are very similar. With the introduction of Western food in Korea the obesity level is rising. I mean the introduction of restaurants like McDonald's, Pizza Hut, Donuts, etc...

    Also many cultures have exercise incorporated in their daily lives. In Korea, most people do a lot of walking. The country has a lot of hills, even in Seoul you have places where you have to climb stairs to get to a specific neighborhood. If you look at Holland, most people bike every where rather than cars. There are probably more bicycles than cars (don't know for sure but it looked that way). I believe I read an article that French people tend to walk a lot, enjoying the day, their surroundings. Most Americans (that I know) are very sedentary. They drive rather than walk, even if it just a couple of blocks.