Non-American Carbs...what's up with them?
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"I'm concerned about the impending world insulin shortage."
Great come back! I will have to remember that the next time someone is pushing cake at me. I never liked cake anyway.0 -
Frightening!0
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PaleoInScotland wrote: »I think another big factor is eating out versus preparing home cooked meals. Because more women work in Western culture, there's less time for home cooked meals, and when people do eat at home, it's often a ready meal, not a meal prepared with fresh, raw ingredients. I know that's what contributed to my poor state of health.
I agree with this. I work FT with a family and it is a challenge to get a wholesome meal on the table every night. Plus, I think American kids are busier...more structured activities...and combined with working parents make evening meals a mad dash around sports, dance, etc.
It's a priority for me, so I cook healthy, but efficiently. I use my pressure cooker 4-5 nights a week, plus use it to make yogurt, hard-boiled eggs...everything in less time. I might cry if that thing every dies.
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I think its some part lack of education, some part processed foods, some part being super busy, and some part cultural holdovers on the food while we've become increasingly sedentary in lifestyle. I live in a state that is usually on the bottom of the "healthiest state" lists, as well as the economic lists. I don't know numbers or statistics and don't bother giving them to me because my eyes will simply glaze over
. What I do know is that the state used to be heavily employed by coal miners, factory workers, sawmill workers, a few other industrial types, and a few farmers. Foods heavy in carbs were the norm because they were cheap and fed large families. Today, the factories are mostly gone, the mines are following at a rapid pace as is farming, and the most employable jobs are behind a desk. Carb heavy food is still cheap and feeds a lot of people. This is just what I've observed in my state, I've never been outside the country, and I can't say what other states do. I have a feeling this is the same throughout most of the states, though. 0 -
PaleoInScotland wrote: »I think another big factor is eating out versus preparing home cooked meals. Because more women work in Western culture, there's less time for home cooked meals, and when people do eat at home, it's often a ready meal, not a meal prepared with fresh, raw ingredients. I know that's what contributed to my poor state of health.
It depends on how you cook at home! LCHW is one diet that you probably could do eating out and ordering just meat and vegetables. I've always cooked, and I'm cooking different things now that I'm doing low carb.0 -
The portion sizes in every country are different. Example. Mcdonalds, I've been to Spain, Thailand and meals are smaller compared to usa.0
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In Italy for example they DO eat pizza, but it's not the thick crust, cheese filled crust you see in Canada and the US. It's a homemade flat bread pizza, very thin, topped with lots of fresh toppings and fresh tomato sauce. They also walk a lot more than we do and have more time to walk/take vacations. In France they get about a months vacation, and in the US we get 2 weeks from date of hire and then have to "earn" the rest of the days. Retail is even worse.. 1 week for my husband. 1 week of vacation! Some places don't even offer vacation! This is all going to take a toll on us, some people work from 6am to 6pm (including travel time) then have to take care of kids, cook something within an hours time frame, get them to bed by 7 or 8pm, and that leaves you with maybe 1-2 hours to yourself if you're going to get a full nights sleep. This RUSH RUSH RUSH, work harder, work faster mentality has caught up to us so people become exhausted and choose relax/sleep over exercise.
And don't get me started on high fructose corn syrup and other sugars being added into EVERYTHING. This compounds the issue.
It's hard for the average US citizen to get as much exercise as people in other areas of the world when our free time doesn't stack up like theirs does. And I do say "ours" even though I am Canadian because Canada is catching up to the exact same mentality. Our people are so unhealthy due to all these factors and then some.. we should be demanding more from our politicians.. but that's a WHOLE different rant 0 -
hockeysniper8 wrote: »The portion sizes in every country are different. Example. Mcdonalds, I've been to Spain, Thailand and meals are smaller compared to usa.
This always confuses me. I've been to France a number of times, and the portions not only are not that small, but there are several bottles of wine with dinner, and sometimes lunch. There are plenty of carbs, and lots of fat. My French friends laughed at me because I couldn't finish dinner, and told me to go into training. Yet the people are noticeably slim, and it's rare to see obesity. I've noticed that there is little or no snacking, and that people walk a lot. However my working theory is that French people take pride in eating a large rich meal, and then secretly fast for a day or so.0 -
lithezebra wrote: »hockeysniper8 wrote: »The portion sizes in every country are different. Example. Mcdonalds, I've been to Spain, Thailand and meals are smaller compared to usa.
This always confuses me. I've been to France a number of times, and the portions not only are not that small, but there are several bottles of wine with dinner, and sometimes lunch. There are plenty of carbs, and lots of fat. My French friends laughed at me because I couldn't finish dinner, and told me to go into training. Yet the people are noticeably slim, and it's rare to see obesity. I've noticed that there is little or no snacking, and that people walk a lot. However my working theory is that French people take pride in eating a large rich meal, and then secretly fast for a day or so.
there is a great book called THE GREAT CHOLESTEROL CON by Dr. Kendrik
it explains France, and other countries/cultures
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Korean and Japanese food tend to be low in fat. They eat mainly fish and vegetable. They do eat huge portions of rice. I am not as well versed in the day to day eating of other Asian cultures but I imagine they are very similar. With the introduction of Western food in Korea the obesity level is rising. I mean the introduction of restaurants like McDonald's, Pizza Hut, Donuts, etc...
Also many cultures have exercise incorporated in their daily lives. In Korea, most people do a lot of walking. The country has a lot of hills, even in Seoul you have places where you have to climb stairs to get to a specific neighborhood. If you look at Holland, most people bike every where rather than cars. There are probably more bicycles than cars (don't know for sure but it looked that way). I believe I read an article that French people tend to walk a lot, enjoying the day, their surroundings. Most Americans (that I know) are very sedentary. They drive rather than walk, even if it just a couple of blocks.0 -
The suburbinization in the US (and lack of access to public trasport or even sidewalks and resulting dependence on cars) is literally killing people. In many neighborhoods here in Austin its common to drive to do errands even less than a mile away because its simply not safe to walk (no sidewalks or sidewalks cut off by ugly highway overpasses).0
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Also many cultures have exercise incorporated in their daily lives. In Korea, most people do a lot of walking. The country has a lot of hills, even in Seoul you have places where you have to climb stairs to get to a specific neighborhood. If you look at Holland, most people bike every where rather than cars. There are probably more bicycles than cars (don't know for sure but it looked that way). I believe I read an article that French people tend to walk a lot, enjoying the day, their surroundings. Most Americans (that I know) are very sedentary. They drive rather than walk, even if it just a couple of blocks.
Even though "abs are made in the kitchen (not the gym)" is a popular slogan, I think there is a lot of truth to this. I hope so, because I'm a big fan of recreational walking and biking, even when I'm not doing them for exercise.
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The suburbinization in the US (and lack of access to public trasport or even sidewalks and resulting dependence on cars) is literally killing people. In many neighborhoods here in Austin its common to drive to do errands even less than a mile away because its simply not safe to walk (no sidewalks or sidewalks cut off by ugly highway overpasses).
The first time I moved into the suburbs, around the age of 10, I was so puzzled why certain areas had no sidewalks. It took me a while to realize that people in the suburbs did not walk! My brother and I were the odds ones, who would walk every where. My father would not drive us. If we can't walk or take public transportation you stayed home! So we walked or rode our bikes every where. It wasn't until I was in college where everything was on campus (so did not have to travel far) and started to eat American food 3 times a day that I started to gain weight. And have been fighting it ever since.0 -
The suburbinization in the US (and lack of access to public trasport or even sidewalks and resulting dependence on cars) is literally killing people. In many neighborhoods here in Austin its common to drive to do errands even less than a mile away because its simply not safe to walk (no sidewalks or sidewalks cut off by ugly highway overpasses).
It's the same way around here in Ohio, too. Drives me bonkers, because I'd love to walk to more places, but it's literally not safe to do so.The suburbinization in the US (and lack of access to public trasport or even sidewalks and resulting dependence on cars) is literally killing people. In many neighborhoods here in Austin its common to drive to do errands even less than a mile away because its simply not safe to walk (no sidewalks or sidewalks cut off by ugly highway overpasses).
The first time I moved into the suburbs, around the age of 10, I was so puzzled why certain areas had no sidewalks. It took me a while to realize that people in the suburbs did not walk! My brother and I were the odds ones, who would walk every where. My father would not drive us. If we can't walk or take public transportation you stayed home! So we walked or rode our bikes every where. It wasn't until I was in college where everything was on campus (so did not have to travel far) and started to eat American food 3 times a day that I started to gain weight. And have been fighting it ever since.
It's a catch-22 -- people don't walk, because the sidewalks are either non-existent, don't actually lead anywhere, or stop abruptly and aren't usable, and the sidewalks are in such horrible shape, because there's "no demand," because "people don't walk." It's horrible.0 -
It's a catch-22 -- people don't walk, because the sidewalks are either non-existent, don't actually lead anywhere, or stop abruptly and aren't usable, and the sidewalks are in such horrible shape, because there's "no demand," because "people don't walk." It's horrible.
It totally us a catch 22 or chicken and egg situation. What came first...the iPhone or the demand for iPhone? Pisses me off all the fear mongers in local goverment who keep harping on cost of public transport yet propose adding extra lanes to highways to help with traffic. That is such a crappy bandaid for a growing city. Poor suburbanites gripe that they cant take the train because there's no way to get from train to their subdivision. Duh...kiss and ride lots. Or how about they start demanding public transit in their little suburbs or maybe walk the 1.5 miles or maybe bike (and demand bike lanes).
We were in portland a couple weeks ago...omg that city is like a European city. Pure pleasure getting around there on foot, bike and public transit. Its called Smart Urban Planning...more people should demand it from their local government planning bodies. Ok rant over ;-)0 -
I've been to Europe twice - lost weight both trips LOL.
I think Europeans and Asians are typically more active. It's also much easier and convenient in most cities to walk everywhere than drive. Americans have always had this love affair with their cars, every since Henry Ford made them mainstream. It bugs the crap out of me as well @Dragonwolf these days when my hubby and friend refuse to take a 5 min walk and insist on driving everywhere. We live in a very small town and there is no reason to drive anywhere at all. They'll circle the parking lot until a front space opens. By the time they park, I could have been in the store and out. Gas for the most part is cheaper here in the US than overseas too. That plays some part in it.
I rarely saw people snack over there either. Now granted, it's been over a decade since I went, but I distinctly remember the lack of people snacking. American food also seems to have sugar added to EVERYTHING. Not so much in Europe. I remember ordering things that I though would be sweet, but were not.
It is sad the rest of the world is catching up to our bad habits though.0 -
The suburbinization in the US (and lack of access to public trasport or even sidewalks and resulting dependence on cars) is literally killing people. In many neighborhoods here in Austin its common to drive to do errands even less than a mile away because its simply not safe to walk (no sidewalks or sidewalks cut off by ugly highway overpasses).
The first time I moved into the suburbs, around the age of 10, I was so puzzled why certain areas had no sidewalks. It took me a while to realize that people in the suburbs did not walk! My brother and I were the odds ones, who would walk every where. My father would not drive us. If we can't walk or take public transportation you stayed home! So we walked or rode our bikes every where. It wasn't until I was in college where everything was on campus (so did not have to travel far) and started to eat American food 3 times a day that I started to gain weight. And have been fighting it ever since.
We didn't have sidewalks where I grew up because people liked the rural feeling, even though it was a suburb, albeit a very quiet and safe one for walking. We walked or biked everywhere. Now I actually do live in a rural area with few sidewalks, and it's safe enough for walking, though I prefer mountain biking on trails to risking my life on whether a driver is paying attention or not.
P.S. If you're going to walk where there are no sidewalks, walk against the flow of vehicle traffic, so you can see what's going on!0 -
I think its some part lack of education, some part processed foods, some part being super busy, and some part cultural holdovers on the food while we've become increasingly sedentary in lifestyle. I live in a state that is usually on the bottom of the "healthiest state" lists, as well as the economic lists. I don't know numbers or statistics and don't bother giving them to me because my eyes will simply glaze over . What I do know is that the state used to be heavily employed by coal miners, factory workers, sawmill workers, a few other industrial types, and a few farmers. Foods heavy in carbs were the norm because they were cheap and fed large families. Today, the factories are mostly gone, the mines are following at a rapid pace as is farming, and the most employable jobs are behind a desk. Carb heavy food is still cheap and feeds a lot of people. This is just what I've observed in my state, I've never been outside the country, and I can't say what other states do. I have a feeling this is the same throughout most of the states, though.
How sad is it that I guessed correctly that you must also live in WV!
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Just give up your car.You dont need a federal program to do that.You will lose a lot of weight,and save over $5000 a year.
If you cant do that,park at least 1/2 mile from work or wherever you are going.0 -
hockeysniper8 wrote: »The portion sizes in every country are different. Example. Mcdonalds, I've been to Spain, Thailand and meals are smaller compared to usa.
That's definitely true here in the UK. A "large" soda and fries at McDonald's in the UK is the same size as a US "medium" soda or fries.0 -
Well I'm not in the US, but we have the same problem in Australia. I think it is a combination of large portion sizes, lots of processed foods with hidden carbs but also the fact that a lot of the carb consumption comes from sugar.
Lots of mediterraneans eat plenty of breads and maybe pasta, but they often don't eat a lot of sweets - maybe small serves of fruit and honey - and cakes are an infrequent indulgence.
Also in Italy pasta is mostly served as a small appetiser followed by a main course of meat and vegetables and salads. It's not served in whopping big bowls as a main meal.
We've lost our way somehow.0 -
hockeysniper8 wrote: »The portion sizes in every country are different. Example. Mcdonalds, I've been to Spain, Thailand and meals are smaller compared to usa.
Yep, I've seen the huge American portion sizes, plus your food is sooo cheap compared to Australia.
I know that our Large sizes at McDonalds et al are Americas small size.
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Christine_72 wrote: »hockeysniper8 wrote: »The portion sizes in every country are different. Example. Mcdonalds, I've been to Spain, Thailand and meals are smaller compared to usa.
Yep, I've seen the huge American portion sizes, plus your food is sooo cheap compared to Australia.
I know that our Large sizes at McDonalds et al are Americas small size.
Yes!! The prices kill me here in the UK, no wonder I'm eating less than when I was in the States, everything costs more, not that I couldn't use the extra motivation to eat less. The $.99 menu is the £.99 menu here and the $5 foot long at Subway is £5. Problem with that is that the £ is worth quite a bit more than the $.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »hockeysniper8 wrote: »The portion sizes in every country are different. Example. Mcdonalds, I've been to Spain, Thailand and meals are smaller compared to usa.
Yep, I've seen the huge American portion sizes, plus your food is sooo cheap compared to Australia.
I know that our Large sizes at McDonalds et al are Americas small size.
Like other things that are cheap in the US (oil, gas), the price of fast food doesn't reflect the eventual long-term social costs once the chicken (nuggets) come home to roost.0 -
Here's an interesting graphic from Washington State University: % of household income spent on food worldwide comparison. 'Relatively' cheap food means more eaten, more often.
wsm.wsu.edu/researcher/wsmaug11_billions.pdf0 -
canadjineh wrote: »Here's an interesting graphic from Washington State University: % of household income spent on food worldwide comparison. 'Relatively' cheap food means more eaten, more often.
wsm.wsu.edu/researcher/wsmaug11_billions.pdf
Wow. What whopping disparities!
Thanks for posting.0 -
canadjineh wrote: »Here's an interesting graphic from Washington State University: % of household income spent on food worldwide comparison. 'Relatively' cheap food means more eaten, more often.
wsm.wsu.edu/researcher/wsmaug11_billions.pdf
@canadjineh thanks for sharing that interesting link. It is easy to tell what countries subsidize food cost. Those who have to spend 30-40%+ of income are really going to be immobile I expect.0 -
canadjineh wrote: »Here's an interesting graphic from Washington State University: % of household income spent on food worldwide comparison. 'Relatively' cheap food means more eaten, more often.
wsm.wsu.edu/researcher/wsmaug11_billions.pdf
I grumble a lot about how much more our (Canadian) food is than what Americans pay, but I my grumble less after seeing that. Just under 10% isn't that bad.0 -
Just give up your car.You dont need a federal program to do that.You will lose a lot of weight,and save over $5000 a year.
If you cant do that,park at least 1/2 mile from work or wherever you are going.
Again, it's not as simple as that. It is literally not safe to do that in many places in the US, and even in different parts of otherwise pedestrian friendly cities. Public transportation in many cities, if it exists at all, is frequently unreliable or doesn't reach certain residential areas in useful times, if at all.
I live in one of the better areas in my city for pedestrians aside from downtown and the big college campus, and the nearest grocery stores are roughly 3 miles away, and require crossing 4 and 5 lane streets with speed limits of 35 and 45 mph, and large intersections with barely enough time to actually cross, let alone trying to do so with a 5 year old and an arm or wagon fill of groceries.
My son's current school is about 8 miles away, and on a rural highway with no sidewalks, no shoulder, and a 45mph speed limit. So picking him up or dropping him off when needed, or going to parent teacher meetings requires a car.
I'd love to walk to more places, and do so every chance I get, since the small business district of my suburb is in walking distance and fairly safe to get to. Unfortunately, walking everywhere entirely, or even most places, is out of the question.0 -
PaleoInScotland wrote: »I think another big factor is eating out versus preparing home cooked meals. Because more women work in Western culture, there's less time for home cooked meals, and when people do eat at home, it's often a ready meal, not a meal prepared with fresh, raw ingredients. I know that's what contributed to my poor state of health.
I just want to flag that healthy eating for the family is both parents' job, not just the job of the ones with the genitals on the inside of her body. If the moms are too busy at work to cook proper meals, it's time for the dads to step up, and vice versa.0
