Gelatine and better sleep ?
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My boss who has osteoarthritis told me that after she started taking a teaspoon of gelatine powder before bed both the knees and sleep improved dramatically.
I've tried it for 3 nights now and lo and behold, it does seem to make me fall asleep a bit easier and heavier. Usually I'm up 2-3 x per night to pee. Now I'm down to 1x.
Does anyone have experiences with this? And or does anyone know why gelatine could improve sleep quality ?
I really, really, hope this is a long lasting effect of something so cheap and easy to do.
I've tried it for 3 nights now and lo and behold, it does seem to make me fall asleep a bit easier and heavier. Usually I'm up 2-3 x per night to pee. Now I'm down to 1x.
Does anyone have experiences with this? And or does anyone know why gelatine could improve sleep quality ?
I really, really, hope this is a long lasting effect of something so cheap and easy to do.
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Interesting. What kind of gelatin powder do you use?0
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Oh, I'm from Europe. So it's a local brand. No fillers.0
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Interesting! My knees just started bothering me again. A LOT. I might need to try this.0
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I've been thinking about adding gelatin for my arthritis too, and for my hair. I can't make bone broth as my husband would die from the smell and we have a small house with no garage to cook it in. Can you just add it to soup? Seems like it would be a good thickener. Does anyone have experience cooking with it?0
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I have a coconut yogurt recipe that uses gelatin. I put a batch in this morning, and will pay attention to how my knees feel by the end of this week!0
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I take Gelatin nearly everyday, and yes it does make a positive difference to sleep and skin/wrinkles/loose skin. I use a local organic brand. It's 72 calories for 20g and 17.6g of protein (incomplete protein though) and zero carbs.
A comparable American brand is Great lakes. Don't just buy any gelatin off the supermarket shelf, as a lot of those are sourced from China etc who pump their cows full of hormones and God knows what else.0 -
@PaleoInScotland I've used it in soups before, but make sure and stir it a lot or else you'll end up with little white clumps through it.0
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Yes, gelatin improves sleep quality for myself as well. I use straight, old school Knox gelatin. Gelatine has a "poor" amino acid profile & deemed useless by "protein-a holic"/gym bros for being inferior to whey protein isolate. However, gelatin is mostly composed of the "kinky" amino acids glycine & hydroxyproline (small functional group of these amino acids structurally allows for great flexibility/bending of peptides and folding of proteins....the structure has to make sense with the function of collagen/joints).
On the sleep quality side, glycine is mainly an inhibitory amino acid and is a ligand to N-methyl d aspartic acid receptors (coincidentally, so is magnesium). Like gamma amino butyric acid (GABA), glycine stabilizes nerve membranes...another way of thinking about these are that they oppose the actions of excitatory amino acids (glutamate & aspartate). Over excitation from excitatory amino acids has been theorized in Alzheimer's contributing to beta amyloid plaques...hence 1 drug target is (non-competitive) antagonism of NMDA via Memantine (the non-competitive nature being key because excitatory amino acids are none the less needed for the learning process; however, Memantine will antagonize NMDA only in the presence of high concentrations of excitatory amino acids).
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The gelatin, if I'm not mistaken, would be the same stuff you'll find in homemade bone broth. Jello is made out of the same stuff. Google it.
Bone broth tastes much better.
I've never heard it helping sleep, but they (almost all diets) do call bone broth a "super food". Bone broth is recommended by a lot of doctors to help heal joints. When picking the bones to boil, pick the ones with a lot of ligaments on them.
I hope this helps....
Dan
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I have heard of gelatin helping sleep but one can't trust all one reads on the internet! Great to hear that it works for you and osteoarthritus. I am monitoring my sleep with one of Dave Asprey's endorsed sleep hacking apps so I will buy some and report back on both the sleep and osteo arthritus impacts.0
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Yes! My mom would make gelatin gummies for the grandkids because some need help sleeping. Taste good and other benefits as well. There are plenty recipes out there. Beats trying to add it to soup!0
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Christine_72 wrote: »@PaleoInScotland I've used it in soups before, but make sure and stir it a lot or else you'll end up with little white clumps through it.
Thanks @Christine_72 I think I'll practice in some bouillon broth before adding it to a full pot of soup.0 -
Makes a good sauce; I cut mine in slices and let it melt with hot seafood for some moisture content. Pretty cool because it will melt and then start recrystalizing as the food cools.0
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Yes, gelatin improves sleep quality for myself as well. I use straight, old school Knox gelatin. Gelatine has a "poor" amino acid profile & deemed useless by "protein-a holic"/gym bros for being inferior to whey protein isolate. However, gelatin is mostly composed of the "kinky" amino acids glycine & hydroxyproline (small functional group of these amino acids structurally allows for great flexibility/bending of peptides and folding of proteins....the structure has to make sense with the function of collagen/joints).
On the sleep quality side, glycine is mainly an inhibitory amino acid and is a ligand to N-methyl d aspartic acid receptors (coincidentally, so is magnesium). Like gamma amino butyric acid (GABA), glycine stabilizes nerve membranes...another way of thinking about these are that they oppose the actions of excitatory amino acids (glutamate & aspartate). Over excitation from excitatory amino acids has been theorized in Alzheimer's contributing to beta amyloid plaques...hence 1 drug target is (non-competitive) antagonism of NMDA via Memantine (the non-competitive nature being key because excitatory amino acids are none the less needed for the learning process; however, Memantine will antagonize NMDA only in the presence of high concentrations of excitatory amino acids).
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Ty for the very informative post! So you're saying that glycine helps mitigate or reduce the effect of excited aminos ? Or did I completely miss the mark, lol. Interesting about the possible connection to Alzheimers.
Oooo, I got a lot more learning to do
Ty everybody else also sharing their thoughts!0 -
Gelatin... hmm, I guess that makes sense. Tagging to follow. Always looking for was to enhance meno-sleep.0
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I wake up almost every hour on the hour between bouts of hard sleep (just had blood work for thyroid issues and/or early menopause so will know more end of month). I will try gelatin and see if that helps this week. I have two boxes of Knox in the pantry and not quite sure how to use it but will do some research. My hair and nails could sure use it!!!0
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I was wondering how you "take" gelatin? I also have some good 'ol Knox brand, and would like to start using it, just curious how other people "get it in?"0
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PaleoInScotland wrote: »I've been thinking about adding gelatin for my arthritis too, and for my hair. I can't make bone broth as my husband would die from the smell and we have a small house with no garage to cook it in. Can you just add it to soup? Seems like it would be a good thickener. Does anyone have experience cooking with it?
I've used a pressure cooker to make it so it isn't smelling up the house forever.
If you're going to add gelatin powder to a hot liquid, whisk it into a bit of cold water first, then dump it in. Otherwise, it clumps. It doesn't really do much as far as thickening in hot things, but any leftover soup might be jelled. I've added it to tea, broth, etc.0 -
I was wondering how you "take" gelatin? I also have some good 'ol Knox brand, and would like to start using it, just curious how other people "get it in?"
You mix/make it like jello. Brew your favorite tea, add a sweetener (inulin, monk fruit), add gelatin mix, chill, eat. Qty of water is as per box instructions.
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@Twibbly thanks for the tip. Kinda bummed that it doesn't thicken unless it chills, thought I might be able to kill two birds with one stone.
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Just be aware that gelatin can be a trigger for anyone who suffers cold sores/the dreaded H virus (that more people have in the US than DON'T have it now... It's higher on Arginine, and folks with that virus need a better Lysine/Arginine ratio...0
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I just use hydrolyzed collagen. Mixed with cold water just fine. I don't really know what's different than gelatin about it, but I'm getting what I need from it in a super easy to use form. I just add it to coffee and water0
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KnitOrMiss wrote: »Just be aware that gelatin can be a trigger for anyone who suffers cold sores/the dreaded H virus (that more people have in the US than DON'T have it now... It's higher on Arginine, and folks with that virus need a better Lysine/Arginine ratio...
Oy vey. Thank you for that tip! I do get cold sores and I detest them. Maybe I'll stay away from the gelatin.
Yeah, I was kind of hoping there was a way to quickly get it down instead of eating it. I just really don't like the texture of Jell-O. Thank you for the tip thoughI was wondering how you "take" gelatin? I also have some good 'ol Knox brand, and would like to start using it, just curious how other people "get it in?"
You mix/make it like jello. Brew your favorite tea, add a sweetener (inulin, monk fruit), add gelatin mix, chill, eat. Qty of water is as per box instructions.
Dan
I wonder if it comes in pill form, I will have to check the health food store, although after I do the research on the link between that and cold sores...
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Gelatin... hmm, I guess that makes sense. Tagging to follow. Always looking for was to enhance meno-sleep.
Ha. Me too. I seem to wake up every hour convinced that what I've just dreamt is real. It would be kind of fun, except that I need some rest.
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KnitOrMiss wrote: »Just be aware that gelatin can be a trigger for anyone who suffers cold sores/the dreaded H virus (that more people have in the US than DON'T have it now... It's higher on Arginine, and folks with that virus need a better Lysine/Arginine ratio...
Oy vey. Thank you for that tip! I do get cold sores and I detest them. Maybe I'll stay away from the gelatin.
Yeah, I was kind of hoping there was a way to quickly get it down instead of eating it. I just really don't like the texture of Jell-O. Thank you for the tip thoughI was wondering how you "take" gelatin? I also have some good 'ol Knox brand, and would like to start using it, just curious how other people "get it in?"
You mix/make it like jello. Brew your favorite tea, add a sweetener (inulin, monk fruit), add gelatin mix, chill, eat. Qty of water is as per box instructions.
Dan
I wonder if it comes in pill form, I will have to check the health food store, although after I do the research on the link between that and cold sores...
Collagen is the flip side of it that seems to not be high in that amino acid, @dietbepsi... Chocolate is on the risk list, as are a few other normal foods for me. I added the Lysine, and have yet to have a recurrence (knock on wood) despite some really stressful times that normally would have done me in. I'd love to see if your research corresponds with mine.
And yes, they do sell it in capsules, I've seen it somewhere. But there are other joint compounds that might be more beneficial than just straight gelatin...0 -
As a result of this thread, yesterday I ordered gelatin collagen hydrolysate:amazon.com/Great-Lakes-Gelatin-Collagen-Hydrolysate/dp/B005KG7EDU/ref=sr_1_1_s_it?s=grocery&ie=UTF8&qid=1459886371&sr=1-1&keywords=collagen+great+lakes . The reviews are great, and I hope it's as helpful as it appears. It doesn't gel; it can be mixed into any liquid, yogurt, etc.0
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This is the one I use. It's not a gelatin either. The label info is very different from the one @wheatlessgirl66 linked. I don't know enough about it to have any ideas about what constitutes such a difference and whether it matters at all.
Bulksupplements Pure Hydrolyzed Collagen (Bovine) Powder (250 grams) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015YG2MTQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awd_ctebxbEKDH17X0 -
wheatlessgirl66 wrote: »As a result of this thread, yesterday I ordered gelatin collagen hydrolysate:amazon.com/Great-Lakes-Gelatin-Collagen-Hydrolysate/dp/B005KG7EDU/ref=sr_1_1_s_it?s=grocery&ie=UTF8&qid=1459886371&sr=1-1&keywords=collagen+great+lakes . The reviews are great, and I hope it's as helpful as it appears. It doesn't gel; it can be mixed into any liquid, yogurt, etc.
This is what I use also - tasteless and odourless. I'm quite happy with it. Not sure about sleep help tho as I mix it into my morning coffee.
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KnitOrMiss wrote: »Just be aware that gelatin can be a trigger for anyone who suffers cold sores/the dreaded H virus (that more people have in the US than DON'T have it now... It's higher on Arginine, and folks with that virus need a better Lysine/Arginine ratio...
A great reminder. Also a great reminder that this, and many other "remedies" are not "fads" etc. they are HOW IT WAS DONE (invoke chicken soup again). But yes, not every remedy is appropriate for everyone.0 -
This is the one I use, and what it helps. Their website mentions it helping with sleep too.
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