Butter Bob Briggs Clarifies Butter :)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoaWbgOeyRU7
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Great video!0
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Thanks for the link. Since my goal of fasting is to lower the hormone Insulin I now understand why eating fats while fasting should work for me.0
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True that!0
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Are there foods that does not push up BG yet can increase insulin levels?0
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Don't eat sticks of butter? Tell that to my 5-year-old. He'd eat a whole stick if I let him. He once snatched a stick of salted from my hand and took a big bite out of it. Slow down, lil' guy!
He'd also eat a block of cream cheese. 0 -
"Tell them to kiss your rear end."
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GaleHawkins wrote: »Are there foods that does not push up BG yet can increase insulin levels?
No foods could fit this description, but why would you want to increase insulin levels without increasing BG? The result will be hypoglycemia.0 -
I love Butter Bob Briggs! He gives great advice
and I sent his butter make your pants fall off to my brother and he's been following Bob's advice and has lost 20 lbs in 3 weeks hoping to get more results myself as I stay on LCHF 0 -
Thanks! My first time hearing him, Great info!0
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His statements on HWC are so reassuring to me! I routinely have a cup of coffee with HWC, either at home or at Starbucks (unflavored Americano), and I delay eating until 1 - 3pm. I wasn't sure if this was still considered fasting. Super informative!1
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I always forget about him! I like the way he talks.0
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midwesterner85 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Are there foods that does not push up BG yet can increase insulin levels?
No foods could fit this description, but why would you want to increase insulin levels without increasing BG? The result will be hypoglycemia.
I should have asked, "Are there any FATS that increases Insulin levels". Fasting is to lower Insulin levels so I should be able to eat any food in a fast that was to ONLY lower Insulin and not lose weight.0 -
Omega-3 fatty acids?0
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GaleHawkins wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Are there foods that does not push up BG yet can increase insulin levels?
No foods could fit this description, but why would you want to increase insulin levels without increasing BG? The result will be hypoglycemia.
I should have asked, "Are there any FATS that increases Insulin levels". Fasting is to lower Insulin levels so I should be able to eat any food in a fast that was to ONLY lower Insulin and not lose weight.
Yes, all fats will increase insulin levels because it increases BG. But gluconeogenesis happens at such a slow rate and amount that the additional insulin will be so small it will be very difficult to measure.0 -
I saw the title and thought this was about clarifying butter
. Which I have actually thought about trying before. Wonder how it would taste in bpc?
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/clarified-butter-recipe.html
I liked the video! Thanks!0 -
Love it! Thanks for the link.0
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midwesterner85 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Are there foods that does not push up BG yet can increase insulin levels?
No foods could fit this description, but why would you want to increase insulin levels without increasing BG? The result will be hypoglycemia.
I should have asked, "Are there any FATS that increases Insulin levels". Fasting is to lower Insulin levels so I should be able to eat any food in a fast that was to ONLY lower Insulin and not lose weight.
Yes, all fats will increase insulin levels because it increases BG. But gluconeogenesis happens at such a slow rate and amount that the additional insulin will be so small it will be very difficult to measure.
I knew that could happen with protein but not from eating fats. I wonder the guy in the video states fats do not increase insulin?0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Are there foods that does not push up BG yet can increase insulin levels?
No foods could fit this description, but why would you want to increase insulin levels without increasing BG? The result will be hypoglycemia.
I should have asked, "Are there any FATS that increases Insulin levels". Fasting is to lower Insulin levels so I should be able to eat any food in a fast that was to ONLY lower Insulin and not lose weight.
Yes, all fats will increase insulin levels because it increases BG. But gluconeogenesis happens at such a slow rate and amount that the additional insulin will be so small it will be very difficult to measure.
I knew that could happen with protein but not from eating fats. I wonder the guy in the video states fats do not increase insulin?
It is a very small amount, but dietary fat does increase BG... that means an increase of insulin. As a type 1 diabetic, I don't have the luxury of having a body that makes insulin for me. So I must constantly monitor BG and dose insulin based on the multitude of factors that affect BG (primarily food).
Here is a study that was done on type 1's, though the conclusion that dietary fat raises BG isn't exclusive to type 1 diabetics. The difference is in application... most people don't know or care, but us type 1's must consciously make adjustments to insulin intake. Anyway, here is the citation (not sure if you have access to somewhere to retrieve this journal article, but some libraries might be able to obtain it through inter-library loan if you can't get to a repository like ERIC, EbscoHost, etc.):
Wolpert, H. A., Atakov-Castillo, A., Smith, S. A., & Steil, G. M. (2013). Dietary Fat Acutely Increases Glucose Concentrations and Insulin Requirements in Patients With Type 1 Diabetes: Implications for carbohydrate-based bolus dose calculation and intensive diabetes management. Diabetes Care, 36(4), 810-816 7p. doi:10.2337/dc12-00920 -
Peter Attia in his blog the Eating Academy in the article Insulin response he states that fat doesn't stimulate insulin. I think the point is eating fat does not increase insulin which is a storage hormone. If insulin is high it encourages the storage of carbs. and makes you hungry. But high fat does not cause elevated insulin and increased hunger.0
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I just read this today from Fung's The Obesity Code:
"Fatty foods can also stimulate insulin, but pure fats such as olive oil do not stimulate insulin or glucose. However, few foods are eaten as pure fat. It may be that the protein component of fatty foods drives the insulin response. Despite the higher caloric value of fat, it stimulates insulin less than carbohydrates or protein." -pg. 193.
I can't remember specifically what Butter Bob said, but I think he must have been referring to pure fats.0 -
Peter Attia in his blog the Eating Academy in the article Insulin response he states that fat doesn't stimulate insulin. I think the point is eating fat does not increase insulin which is a storage hormone. If insulin is high it encourages the storage of carbs. and makes you hungry. But high fat does not cause elevated insulin and increased hunger.
Dietary fat does increase BG, which means an increase in insulin. The difference between carbs, protein, and fat is that carbs spike BG high and fast; protein raises BG much more slowly (and not all protein breaks down into glucose, as some amino acids cannot be converted), and fat is super slow and barely noticeable. By comparison, one might suggest that carbs raise BG and fat doesn't... by comparison, it is almost that stark of a contrast. But fat still does raise BG a small amount over an extended time.1 -
Thank folks. I learn more every day I log in. 0
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joslin.org/dietary-fat-can-affect-insulin-requirements-in-type-1-diabetes.html
This very small scale work with Type 1 Diabetes showed eating fats appears to impact insulin requirements after a high fat meal. The video is 3 minutes.
So to say eating Fats does not impact Blood Glucose may not be a valid statement. It was be very interesting to know how/why. As Dr. Peter Attia stated recently in a pod cast that I listened to today a discussion about nutrient total often winds up sounding like discussion on religion/politics which has turned he off.
We know so little about what may or may not happen when we eat carbs, protein and fats and are almost totally void as to the "whys" in my view.0 -
@GaleHawkins I disagree about how much we know. We know a lot about it:
All macros convert to glucose, but at different rates. Body protein (muscle) and body fat can convert to glucose also. Protein can also go directly to muscle repair / growth. Glycogen can also add to glucose.
Glucose goes one of 3 places: Used for energy, replenish glycogen, or stored as fat.
The issue is timing. Once glucose exists, it needs to go somewhere pretty quickly. If you eat a lot of carbs and then immediately sleep for the next 2 hours, you are not using very much for energy. Assuming your glycogen stores are not in need of replenishment, then the excess glucose (and with carbs, there is a lot of that) goes to body fat. Later on, if you wake up and exercise without eating, then you will need to pull glycogen to add to glucose as it is being used. At some point, you will also need to start metabolizing protein and fat (gluconeogenesis) to add to glucose in order to fuel your muscles.
On the other hand, if BG is not spiked, there is less excess glucose to be stored as fat. Your BG rises from glycogen, protein, and fat (either dietary or body) through gluconeogenesis as your muscles use it.
We know glucose is the base energy, while glycogen and body fat are storage of energy. We know that your body is designed to prevent excess glucose from staying for long before it moves to storage.
We also know how different macros become glucose, and the relative time it takes for different macros to become glucose.
What we don't know (maybe someone knows this, but I don't) is if gluconeogenesis happens "when needed" or if it happens with all fat and/or protein (except body muscle), or option 3 - it happens to dietary protein and fat always and to body protein and fat as needed.
If the answer to that is "as needed" for all forms (I'm not sure if it is or not), then LCHF could be maximized when combined with IF, especially if fasting during high activity periods (exercise) and consuming fat 3-5 hours after exercise, but stopping fat consumption 10-12 hours before exercising again. on a 16:8 IF, that could mean exercise from 6am-8am, eat from 12pm-8pm, and fast from 8pm-12pm. This depends entirely on the answer to the prior paragraph, though.0 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »Peter Attia in his blog the Eating Academy in the article Insulin response he states that fat doesn't stimulate insulin. I think the point is eating fat does not increase insulin which is a storage hormone. If insulin is high it encourages the storage of carbs. and makes you hungry. But high fat does not cause elevated insulin and increased hunger.
Dietary fat does increase BG, which means an increase in insulin. The difference between carbs, protein, and fat is that carbs spike BG high and fast; protein raises BG much more slowly (and not all protein breaks down into glucose, as some amino acids cannot be converted), and fat is super slow and barely noticeable. By comparison, one might suggest that carbs raise BG and fat doesn't... by comparison, it is almost that stark of a contrast. But fat still does raise BG a small amount over an extended time.
I think probably when people like Attia and Fung say fat doesn't stimulate insulin, they mean "effectively", or "for the average person" ... so @midwesterner85 as a T1 you're going to be paying a lot closer attention and you're going to notice even the smallest blip in your blood glucose.
But for most people, it's kinda like when we say black coffee is 0 calories ... ya, there's a few calories in a cup, but realistically most people can use a value of 0 and be okay.0 -
It's seems that the minute amount of fat that stimulates insulin would also be even more difficult to detect in an insulin resistant system wouldn't it? And would there be any need for the body to bother with GNG in a sufficiently higher carb diet? Why would it even bother if there are enough carbs available?
We are just talking about GNG here right? Seems like it's just being said in a different way...0 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »And would there be any need for the body to bother with GNG in a sufficiently higher carb diet?
This discussion has gone way above Butter Bob's head. His message is "don't sweat the details" and "fasting will lower insulin more than any kind of meal."
But GNG happens whenever substrate is available. What else is the body going to do with excess protein, for example?
Metabolism isn't simple. There's no such thing as "sufficient carbs". The entire blood supply only carries about 5g of glucose. Any intake will perturb homeostasis and the body will have to deal with that perturbation.
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Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »And would there be any need for the body to bother with GNG in a sufficiently higher carb diet?
This discussion has gone way above Butter Bob's head. His message is "don't sweat the details" and "fasting will lower insulin more than any kind of meal."
But GNG happens whenever substrate is available. What else is the body going to do with excess protein, for example?
Metabolism isn't simple. There's no such thing as "sufficient carbs". The entire blood supply only carries about 5g of glucose. Any intake will perturb homeostasis and the body will have to deal with that perturbation.
Well, I guess I was making an assumption that protein wasn't in excess. Didn't even consider that. And sufficient carbs by my intention was to suggest the brain, muscles etc., got all the glucose they required from consumed carbs.
Basically, if the body doesn't have to do it, then it wouldn't.... Right?0 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »And sufficient carbs by my intention was to suggest the brain, muscles etc., got all the glucose they required from consumed carbs.
Homeostasis of blood glucose is designed to meet basal demand. The brain can drink 130g a day, so does that mean that 130g/d meets needs? Nope. That 130g/d is spread out over 24 hours -- the brain drinks 6g an hour. What happens to that other 124g you just ate? Glycogen stores are full, so it gets converted to fat via DNL.
Fat is always in flux. Protein is always in flux (muscle tear down and rebuild frees much more than we eat -- about 300g a day). Glucose is tightly controlled. Any intake perturbs the system.
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Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »And would there be any need for the body to bother with GNG in a sufficiently higher carb diet?
That goes towards my earlier unknown:midwesterner85 wrote: »What we don't know (maybe someone knows this, but I don't) is if gluconeogenesis happens "when needed" or if it happens with all fat and/or protein (except body muscle), or option 3 - it happens to dietary protein and fat always and to body protein and fat as needed.
I find it hard to believe that your body doesn't convert any protein and fat just because you have enough carbs to raise glucose (based solely on my personal observations). I would be interested to know if more or less is converted when carbs are not available to provide automatic glucose. I would also be interested in how the body decides to convert protein vs. fat and how it decides on dietary vs. body protein and fat. Also in question is at what point does glycogen storage no longer provide sufficient glucose and GNG begins (or does GNG begin simultaneous to glycogen release)?0
