Just wanted to confirm few things.
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I mean, maintenance is eating the calories that is required to maintain weight. Not lose or gain... So, the body rules. Not an online calculator. They are good for estimating to get a starting point.
However, sometimes we just sit stable for a while without any identifiable reason.0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »I've found that a lot of calculators (nearly all) tend to overestimate calories needed for maintenance. According to most, I'd need to eat about 2300 to maintain. Yeah, last time I did that, I gained 20 pounds in six months.
MFP estimates me at 2300 and scooby calculator does it at 2700-2900 (can't remember exactly) A manual formula used, based upon -amount of weight lost over the duration of period yields 2500.
I'm eating at around less than 2000. Still have a lot of margin , hopefully I won't gain weight lol0 -
If you took the amount a calc spit out, and subtracted that much from it, you're most likely safe. It's when people take that calc number as gospel and eat to it, that they seem to get fat again.1
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viren19890 wrote: »I'm eating at around less than 2000. Still have a lot of margin , hopefully I won't gain weight lol
If you gain on 2000 calories, I'd think that would indicate an accuracy issue.1 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »If you took the amount a calc spit out, and subtracted that much from it, you're most likely safe. It's when people take that calc number as gospel and eat to it, that they seem to get fat again.viren19890 wrote: »I'm eating at around less than 2000. Still have a lot of margin , hopefully I won't gain weight lol
If you gain on 2000 calories, I'd think that would indicate an accuracy issue.
I think my log entry got misinterpreted. I didn't get fat or gain weight. Actually since June 17 my weight has not moved at all. It's so stable that it's between 191.6-192 lb lol
All I'm saying is that CICO rules for weight loss. If a person keeps eating at maintenance fat won't magically start dropping. It could drop in a body recomp sense but it'll be a very slow and steady progress.
So if anyone is eating at maintenance or not counting calories and is hoping to lose weight because fat is high in their diet then "I think" that's wrong and they are in for rude awakening.0 -
Log entry
Birthday party today at home. I knew that it was going to happen in the evening so I kept a huge margin today of caloric allowance. I had an allowance of around 800 calories going into the party.
For a vegetarian person carbs are all around me however, it's good to know that most items have fiber which isn't counted towards carbs lol
Also, since it's maintenance I'd be increasing my carbs not intentionally but I won't be as anal. However, CICO will be monitored as hawk as to not exceed maintenance since I still need to drop 10-12 lbs0 -
Log entry
I can foresee that I'd be hitting 140g carbs today. Thankfully Monday onwards is my full fledged workout starting again.
At this point I don't really care about being in keto or not because my calories are in maintenance weight is held steady -I wanted a diet break and if I'm mentally still loaded with stress it won't really be a break.
I have to start again on July 10 for my last 12 lbs. My diet would still be somewhat high fat low carbs but if carbs are high one day a week then I'm good.0 -
Side note
I wish carbs were based on percent not grams lol all this would be so much easier.0 -
I thought there was a way to track by percent...??? Idk. I don't track my food anymore. Maybe I'm just silly!
Anyway, 140g carbs is still quite low. Definitely compared to the average American and even among those just cutting back over-all. That's a very good goal to have especially with your level of fitness activity. I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if you're still making lots of ketones at that level. But it's also a more comfortable amount for you since it allows more veggies.
Very good experimentation you've been doing. I think this kind of thing is very valuable.
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Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »I thought there was a way to track by percent...??? Idk. I don't track my food anymore. Maybe I'm just silly!
Anyway, 140g carbs is still quite low. Definitely compared to the average American and even among those just cutting back over-all. That's a very good goal to have especially with your level of fitness activity. I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if you're still making lots of ketones at that level. But it's also a more comfortable amount for you since it allows more veggies.
Very good experimentation you've been doing. I think this kind of thing is very valuable.
It's based on 50g for everyone regardless if you are 3000 calories or 4500 calories which gets sucky lol for people like me.
Ended the day at 120 carbs. Abs are still visible but I'll find out more tomorrow morning though lol
I think I could eventually stop tracking food as well once I'm at my ideal fitness level because my maintenance calories are as is very high and it takes me effort getting there. If I weren't tracking I would never be able to get to my maintenance calories.
Like if I don't track my calories and eat my home food without caring about anything-I'd end a day at 1800-1900 calories and maintenance is from 2300-25000 -
viren19890 wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »I thought there was a way to track by percent...??? Idk. I don't track my food anymore. Maybe I'm just silly!
Anyway, 140g carbs is still quite low. Definitely compared to the average American and even among those just cutting back over-all. That's a very good goal to have especially with your level of fitness activity. I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if you're still making lots of ketones at that level. But it's also a more comfortable amount for you since it allows more veggies.
Very good experimentation you've been doing. I think this kind of thing is very valuable.
It's based on 50g for everyone regardless if you are 3000 calories or 4500 calories which gets sucky lol for people like me.
Ended the day at 120 carbs. Abs are still visible but I'll find out more tomorrow morning though lol
I think I could eventually stop tracking food as well once I'm at my ideal fitness level because my maintenance calories are as is very high and it takes me effort getting there. If I weren't tracking I would never be able to get to my maintenance calories.
Like if I don't track my calories and eat my home food without caring about anything-I'd end a day at 1800-1900 calories and maintenance is from 2300-2500
You guys are talking two different things.
Low carb generally uses a hard-set gram amount, while MFP's tracking stuff is based, by default, off percentages.
That said, if you require 3000-4500 calories, odds are good that you're active enough to allow intake of more carbohydrates and still remain in ketosis. Again, I point you to http://eatingacademy.com/sports-and-nutrition/ketones-carbohydrates-can-co-exist
Additionally, the 50g guideline is not a hard and fast rule that everyone who ever follows LCHF must follow. The vast majority of programs allow for/encourage a bit of experimenting to find your "sweet spot."0 -
https://youtu.be/GkQYZ6FbsmI
Phinney gives some great information here and how lchf can improve performance of endurance athletes. His description is in percent and thought you may appreciate that. Interesting stuff!1 -
Log entry and final entry until July 10-2016
This morning I had gained 1 lb of body weight.
Yesterday , I had taken in 120g net carbs. Today was my squat/deadlift workout. Today after such a long time (6 weeks) I had a proper workout. I understand that first 4 weeks my calories were hyperlow but last two week I was at 2100-2200 calories but workouts have been horrible. I used to be scared that if my younger sister who is 6 years younger than I am and 60 lbs lighter than me-asked me for a bench press competition I'd lose to her but today I was basically in a beast mode.
I felt stronger and weight moved fluidly. It was smooth. I wanted to do more and I didn't feel an estrangement feeling from the weights or the bar. It was a friendly experience LoL.
At the end of the workout I weighed myself again just for laughs and I had lost the 1lb that was gained. I was back to 191.6lbs.1 -
Going forward and future plans
Until July 10-
What I will be doing now is my carbs are back to 40% protein is 30% and fat is at 30% as well now. I am a vegetarian and I am already very limited to things I can eat/drink and going on high fat low carb limits me even further. Life didn't look too fancy.
I used to preach that the best diet is the one that doesn't feel like a diet and the one that I can sustain for my whole life yet I tried to do something that was opposite of it.
I'm extremely grateful that I learned the truth about fats and now it has opened up new avenues of foods I can try. Especially all those delicious dressings and cheese.
Point to be noted. If one is on maintenance eat whatever combination you like -you won't lose weight, there might be body recomp happening beneath surface but it's very slow and not as apparent as one would like.
July 10 and then following 8 weeks
I'd be back on this diet high fat low carb because -I'll be dropping my last 12 lbs it'll be limiting but it'll be my last hurrah to end this journey started from Jan 9-2016.
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Maybe this was a poor attempt at replicating something that was created in a lab or research study but that is what my life is. I, myself can point out many things that could've been done even better but this is life not a "controlled study". We have flaws and life is not perfect that is what makes it an adventure.
I have zero complaints with this type of diet -I'm very thankful for the group support here as well. Until July 10 I will also read more on Keto literature to understand it better so my next phase is smoother.
Thanks again. Will be back on July 103
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