Fat Adapted Vs Ketosis
genmon00
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Hello All,
Came across some interesting articles regarding Fat Adaptation vs Ketosis. Answered some questions I had regarding the differences. Hope this helps!
http://www.tuitnutrition.com/2016/01/dont-be-a-ketard1.html
http://www.tuitnutrition.com/2016/01/dont-be-a-ketard2.html
http://www.tuitnutrition.com/2016/02/dont-be-a-ketard3.html
Came across some interesting articles regarding Fat Adaptation vs Ketosis. Answered some questions I had regarding the differences. Hope this helps!
http://www.tuitnutrition.com/2016/01/dont-be-a-ketard1.html
http://www.tuitnutrition.com/2016/01/dont-be-a-ketard2.html
http://www.tuitnutrition.com/2016/02/dont-be-a-ketard3.html
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Good reading here, thanks.
I thought the following informational antidote to worrying about eating an occasional bite of ice cream was tasty food for thought:But while a carb binge might “kick someone out of ketosis, ” it will not kick them out of fat adaptation. I guess the best way to describe this is:
'Ketosis is an ephemeral state. It takes very little to make it disappear. Fat adaptation, on the other hand, is a much hardier state. You have to work to undo it.'13 -
@RalfLott Yes I love that tidbit of information! This too!
"Long-time low-carbers—whose bodies have the enzymatic and mitochondrial machinery running full-speed to metabolize fat—actually have to work pretty hard to “break” that. One cookie isn’t going to do it. One bagel isn’t going to do it. One honkin’, mega-large slice of cheesecake won’t even do it. Not even a piece of bread or two every day for a little while is going to do it. Sure, ketosis will be a distant memory, and you might find yourself having to fight cravings for more and more starch or sugar, but a couple hundred calories of carbohydrate aren’t enough to shut off long established fat utilization at the cellular level."
However, I do focus when the author states "long time low carbers" that means to me that it PAYS to STICK IT OUT! 9 -
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Great find. Thanks!1
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
I love articles like these. They calm my fears and make me believe I might actually be able to do this WOE long term.2 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
Yes, indeed. Good reminder to keep your eyes on the horizon, not the mosquito before your nose.5 -
awesome read!0
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Good link post, Thanks!0
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Its a process getting adapted, that's for sure. It took me six months for my body to stop overproducing ketones and\or expelling all the leftovers in my breath. Thank god my husband really loves me, I didn't think the bad breath would ever go away, then finally, it miraculously stopped 6
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PaleoInScotland wrote: »Its a process getting adapted, that's for sure. It took me six months for my body to stop overproducing ketones and\or expelling all the leftovers in my breath. Thank god my husband really loves me, I didn't think the bad breath would ever go away, then finally, it miraculously stopped
Well that gives me a bit of hope. Mine is rank0 -
PaleoInScotland wrote: »Its a process getting adapted, that's for sure. It took me six months for my body to stop overproducing ketones and\or expelling all the leftovers in my breath. Thank god my husband really loves me, I didn't think the bad breath would ever go away, then finally, it miraculously stopped
Ugh I cant wait till my urine stops smelling so strongly. It turns ME off lol3 -
genmon00 - Thanks for sharing. These articles were sooo very informative.
Dear moderators - May I suggest these links be added to the Launch Pad?2 -
Ugh I cant wait till my urine stops smelling so strongly. It turns ME off lol
You might want to look into certain botanicals that are said to be effective against porcoketourinickia. I can't remember them all, but I believe the list did include established aromatics like nepeta cataria and asparagus officinalis.1 -
Ugh I cant wait till my urine stops smelling so strongly. It turns ME off lol
You might want to look into certain botanicals that are said to be effective against porcoketourinickia. I can't remember them all, but I believe the list did include established aromatics like nepeta cataria and asparagus officinalis.
Thanks @RalfLott I'll look for them cuz it's a total bummer for me1 -
Long duration type of exercise, particularly endurance work that spans 2 hours plus at a 75% HRM will do all sorts of good things.
It burns out my glycogen stores and a ton of calories, so ketosis is the mathematical end result unless I eat a 1000 calories of sugar.
I like exercise as my primary method of staying low net carb on my day. The wide range of health benefits of low carb, adding in exercise as well, make this lifestyle an easy choice to live with.6 -
Timely post! I'm fairly new to LCHF and these answered many of my questions. Honestly one reason I put off this WOE for so long were reading blogs/message board comments saying to the tube "it takes so long to get into ketosis. One misstep and you are back to square one." So glad to read that's not true.3
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Thank you! i'm still learning too. So what does it say if someone hasn't gone through the "flu"? I'm almost two weeks in and haven't experienced any side effects. Am I not adapted yet?
I feel great and I can go very long without eating, when i used to start shaking if i didnt eat something for more than 3 hours. Yesterday I went to the water park, was active all day, but didn't eat for 6 hours. And even that was like "eh i haven't eaten in a while so i probably should"2 -
ominousdusk wrote: »Thank you! i'm still learning too. So what does it say if someone hasn't gone through the "flu"? I'm almost two weeks in and haven't experienced any side effects. Am I not adapted yet?
I feel great and I can go very long without eating, when i used to start shaking if i didnt eat something for more than 3 hours. Yesterday I went to the water park, was active all day, but didn't eat for 6 hours. And even that was like "eh i haven't eaten in a while so i probably should"
The "flu" is NOT necessary. You may just have been keeping up with your electrolyte levels by accident, which is preventing you from feeling negative symptoms. If so, BRAVO! "Keto flu" is commonplace in newbies and the answer is balancing your electrolytes.2 -
ominousdusk wrote: »Thank you! i'm still learning too. So what does it say if someone hasn't gone through the "flu"? I'm almost two weeks in and haven't experienced any side effects. Am I not adapted yet?
I feel great and I can go very long without eating, when i used to start shaking if i didnt eat something for more than 3 hours. Yesterday I went to the water park, was active all day, but didn't eat for 6 hours. And even that was like "eh i haven't eaten in a while so i probably should"
Successfully managing your fluid balance / electrolytes in the beginning doesn't mean that it can't get out of balance six months from now, a year from now, or at any point in the future. You may be more likely to feel the ill effects of low electrolytes in the beginning because your body is less likely to know how to deal with the changes, but anytime you go through any type of a change, i.e. being sick, increasing your exercise regimen, changing the amount of fluid you're drinking (often happens when you change your routine), being subjected to extra heat, and of course reducing the amount of sodium you're taking, you could find yourself feeling the effects. So just be conscious of how much you're drinking, how much sodium you're having each day, it's an on-going maintenance. But great work thus far
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This is a good article , thanks. Takeaway? Once your body becomes locked into fat-burning mode it won't be upset by occasional 'excursions' into carb territory.
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Great read, Thanks0
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It really is simple
Just do some endurance type exercise on very few calories. Your body will source fat. It just happens.
My ride this morning was decent for burning calories and keeping the mitochondria sourcing fat at a higher percentage
Probably gonna have a blackened steak salad for dinner and lay about for a bit. I will say that without many carbs it does feel like recovery time from a protracted workout is a little longer, but nothing drastic
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Ty OP for the good share. It mirrors my own experiences too. She correctly states that one can be in ketosis and not lose from stored fat, cause it depends on "calories OUT"-equation. That one can be in ketosis and not be keto adapted. And that one can be keto adapted despite short term deviations from a keto plan. It's all about habits...how the body responds to your way of life. She is precisely describing why confusing ketosis with fat loss or keto adaptation is a waste of time and energy.
Nutrional Ketosis (NK) is NOT my primary goal. NK is just a tool to let me get into and stay keto adapted. I'm never hangry or hungry anymore, even after hours of fasted training. Any excursions into higher carb-land than normal, I snap back with IF and fasted exercise. Oh and electrolytes.
BUT, this method is effortless for me after 1yr 9mo in this lifestyle. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for newcomers. They're just tools I enjoy to have metabolic flexibility. I do however understand and respect that other people have different goals and tolerance levels than me and have to adjust accordingly.
Edit: "Calories Out" is actually an imprecise description. Mobilizing energy from adipose tissue, aka burning fat from stored fat cells is biochemically a much more complex process that depends on a number of micronutrients for the correct hormonal pathways to work in the right order. I've posted about this before so won't repeat. Sadly, as we all know...gaining fat is much easier than shake that fat off again. It probably made our species survive in critical junctions, but we now live in a land of plenty.5 -
I do my best to not ever focus on ketosis or fat adaptation. I just try to focus on what I put in my mouth, and keep my carbs as low as possible, the rest will naturally fall into line.11
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Foamroller wrote: »Ty OP for the good share. It mirrors my own experiences too. She correctly states that one can be in ketosis and not lose from stored fat, cause it depends on "calories OUT"-equation. That one can be in ketosis and not be keto adapted. And that one can be keto adapted despite short term deviations from a keto plan. It's all about habits...how the body responds to your way of life. She is precisely describing why confusing ketosis with fat loss or keto adaptation is a waste of time and energy.
Nutrional Ketosis (NK) is NOT my primary goal. NK is just a tool to let me get into and stay keto adapted. I'm never hangry or hungry anymore, even after hours of fasted training. Any excursions into higher carb-land than normal, I snap back with IF and fasted exercise. Oh and electrolytes.
BUT, this method is effortless for me after 1yr 9mo in this lifestyle. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for newcomers. They're just tools I enjoy to have metabolic flexibility. I do however understand and respect that other people have different goals and tolerance levels than me and have to adjust accordingly.
Edit: "Calories Out" is actually an imprecise description. Mobilizing energy from adipose tissue, aka burning fat from stored fat cells is biochemically a much more complex process that depends on a number of micronutrients for the correct hormonal pathways to work in the right order. I've posted about this before so won't repeat. Sadly, as we all know...gaining fat is much easier than shake that fat off again. It probably made our species survive in critical junctions, but we now live in a land of plenty.
@Foamroller -
Thanks for the insights.
Please do repeat what you said earlier. (The search function MFP has in place should have become extinct in the last millenium).3 -
Foamroller wrote: »Ty OP for the good share. It mirrors my own experiences too. She correctly states that one can be in ketosis and not lose from stored fat, cause it depends on "calories OUT"-equation. That one can be in ketosis and not be keto adapted. And that one can be keto adapted despite short term deviations from a keto plan. It's all about habits...how the body responds to your way of life. She is precisely describing why confusing ketosis with fat loss or keto adaptation is a waste of time and energy.
Nutrional Ketosis (NK) is NOT my primary goal. NK is just a tool to let me get into and stay keto adapted. I'm never hangry or hungry anymore, even after hours of fasted training. Any excursions into higher carb-land than normal, I snap back with IF and fasted exercise. Oh and electrolytes.
BUT, this method is effortless for me after 1yr 9mo in this lifestyle. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for newcomers. They're just tools I enjoy to have metabolic flexibility. I do however understand and respect that other people have different goals and tolerance levels than me and have to adjust accordingly.
Edit: "Calories Out" is actually an imprecise description. Mobilizing energy from adipose tissue, aka burning fat from stored fat cells is biochemically a much more complex process that depends on a number of micronutrients for the correct hormonal pathways to work in the right order. I've posted about this before so won't repeat. Sadly, as we all know...gaining fat is much easier than shake that fat off again. It probably made our species survive in critical junctions, but we now live in a land of plenty.
@Foamroller -
Thanks for the insights.
Please do repeat what you said earlier. (The search function MFP has in place should have become extinct in the last millenium).
True that.1 -
@ supercar:"I do my best to not ever focus on ketosis or fat adaptation. I just try to focus on what I put in my mouth, and keep my carbs as low as possible, the rest will naturally fall into line."
Amen, sister!3
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