Question I'm not sure I'm allowed to ask about the main forum
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"So, where's the research that says carbs are essential"-RalfLott
This EXACTLY is my thought process. Up until we began cultivating grains, humans lived fine without bread or sugar (outside natural fruit). And when we did eat vegtables or fruit, it was only when it was in season (which was a short time) and geographically available to us. How did the human race survive without these "so-called" essential carbs?
I'd like to take credit, but these are really Stephen Phinney and Jeff Volek's lines!2 -
KarlynKeto wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »KarlynKeto wrote: »IMO, I think Low Carb eating is vastly misunderstood by most people. They think we eliminate ALL veggies and fruits.
THIS! but to be truthful, I have seen some low-carbers around the Internet post their daily food logs and it is exactly that --> an unhealthy and low-nutritional mess based on a menu high in bad fats, preservatives and artificial ingredients, with little to no fresh fruits or vegetables, and a lot of processed meats. For people educated about good nutrition and the value of whole foods, that is hardly a menu one can endorse. However, as many of us here know we can do low carb/high fat that is extremely healthy and nutritious, but it really is about personal choices.
To be fair, that's exactly what The Bear did, and he lived to be older than I really want to, and died in a car accident. xD He had a very hardline stance of "no vegetation whatsoever".
Not sure who 'the Bear' is, but if he lived to be old and has died, he fortunately predates most of the really bad fats, fast food and preservatives we see on the shelves today. But I think I know where you're going with this, as there are a lot of people that believe that all nutrition comes from fruits and vegetables, and forget that the nutritional value found in many plants food are also found in protein and fats. I know that was something I had to learn, and it certainly made becoming a low-carber much easier. I think it's absolutely possible for a person to live a long healthy life with little plant food, but me personally would miss it. :-)
He was the Grateful Dead's sound man I think. He was known for eating a 100% carnivorous diet for a number of decades, along with being a driving force behind the hippie movement... Today that seems funny to me: a carnivorous hippie. LOL
https://zerocarbzen.com/the-bear/4 -
KarlynKeto wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »KarlynKeto wrote: »IMO, I think Low Carb eating is vastly misunderstood by most people. They think we eliminate ALL veggies and fruits.
THIS! but to be truthful, I have seen some low-carbers around the Internet post their daily food logs and it is exactly that --> an unhealthy and low-nutritional mess based on a menu high in bad fats, preservatives and artificial ingredients, with little to no fresh fruits or vegetables, and a lot of processed meats. For people educated about good nutrition and the value of whole foods, that is hardly a menu one can endorse. However, as many of us here know we can do low carb/high fat that is extremely healthy and nutritious, but it really is about personal choices.
To be fair, that's exactly what The Bear did, and he lived to be older than I really want to, and died in a car accident. xD He had a very hardline stance of "no vegetation whatsoever".
Not sure who 'the Bear' is, but if he lived to be old and has died, he fortunately predates most of the really bad fats, fast food and preservatives we see on the shelves today. But I think I know where you're going with this, as there are a lot of people that believe that all nutrition comes from fruits and vegetables, and forget that the nutritional value found in many plants food are also found in protein and fats. I know that was something I had to learn, and it certainly made becoming a low-carber much easier. I think it's absolutely possible for a person to live a long healthy life with little plant food, but me personally would miss it. :-)
He was the Grateful Dead's sound man I think. He was known for eating a 100% carnivorous diet for a number of decades, along with being a driving force behind the hippie movement... Today that seems funny to me: a carnivorous hippie. LOL
https://zerocarbzen.com/the-bear/
Wow! Thanks for the link. I plan to read more of that site. What a fascinating guy, and a great perspective on the modern diet. I agree it's funny to put carnivore and hippy in the same sentence, I know my 'hippy' GD following friends are all big on fruit and veggie juicing. Next time I see them I am soooo asking them about this guy.2 -
A lot of people I know feel that the diet is doomed to fail once the dieter starts to add carbs back in and starts to eat "normally." I always counter this by pointing out that that is true of any diet; if the person goes back to their old eating habits, then of course the weight will come back. I've seen that to be true of low calorie diets just as often as I've seen it with low carb diets of every stripe.5
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A lot of people I know feel that the diet is doomed to fail once the dieter starts to add carbs back in and starts to eat "normally." I always counter this by pointing out that that is true of any diet; if the person goes back to their old eating habits, then of course the weight will come back. I've seen that to be true of low calorie diets just as often as I've seen it with low carb diets of every stripe.
Diets are never doomed to fail, but some people are. They do it to themselves. Those you know would do well to wrap their heads around this fact.9 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Diets are never doomed to fail, but some people are. They do it to themselves. Those you know would do well to wrap their heads around this fact.
I see it over and over again.
One friend, who I've been urging to try low-carb for years, has finally developed diabetes. He isn't on insulin yet. His doctor told him to go on a low-carb diet. He did and lost 50 pounds. But last time we saw him he had gained 25 pounds back in less than 6 months. Why? He simply cannot give up the fries and the burger buns and the chips. And the bags of cookies at night. The triple dessert sampler at restaurants. The bread basket. And this is with full knowledge that if he doesn't stop, he will end up on insulin. He just can't give up the carbs for more than a few months.3 -
I've been listening to 'The Thin Woman's Brain' on Audible. Fascinating and enlightening read that could serve your friend well. @LauraCoth2
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Majcolorado wrote: »I've been listening to 'The Thin Woman's Brain' on Audible. Fascinating and enlightening read that could serve your friend well. @LauraCoth
Thank you. Problem is, he's in denial. So's his very large wife.
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Diets are never doomed to fail, but some people are. They do it to themselves. Those you know would do well to wrap their heads around this fact.
I see it over and over again.
One friend, who I've been urging to try low-carb for years, has finally developed diabetes. He isn't on insulin yet. His doctor told him to go on a low-carb diet. He did and lost 50 pounds. But last time we saw him he had gained 25 pounds back in less than 6 months. Why? He simply cannot give up the fries and the burger buns and the chips. And the bags of cookies at night. The triple dessert sampler at restaurants. The bread basket. And this is with full knowledge that if he doesn't stop, he will end up on insulin. He just can't give up the carbs for more than a few months.
I think you mean... he will end up dead at a much younger age, after going blind, having kidney problems, and both legs amputated....
Just sayin'....4 -
When I was pregnant with my son last year my ob had a wonderful nurse who showed me "tough"'love when it came to managing my diabetes. She shared that she knew how frustrating it was to have someone you love destroy themselves by not eating correctly.She said she was constantly on her dad but he didn't listen. Fast Forward one year..I was shopping for a new stereo system and I remembered that this nurse's dad owned an electronic store. I saw this older gentleman sitting behind a counter who I figured was the nurse's dad. I talked it up with him, explained to him how much his daughter encouraged and helped me. He looked at me and said, Aye I wish I would've listened to her, look at me now. The man was in a wheelchair! Both of his legs were amputated below the knees! He said that he regretted not listening sooner. I think people never believe it can happen to them, that diabetes CAN disable and KILL you prematurely.7
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canadjineh wrote: »
I think you mean... he will end up dead at a much younger age, after going blind, having kidney problems, and both legs amputated....
Just sayin'....
Yep, that's a possible scenario, all right.
During lunch with a few folks at a retreat last weekend, my singular eating style (somehow) managed to catch someone's attention.
I produced the usual hee-haw about wanting to keep my eyes, toes, feet, etc., and one of them piped up, "Yeah, I've been diabetic for a few years. You really have to work at the diet part." I kept my former pie-hole buttoned up but watched with gratification as she withdrew the sausage she'd just placed inside a nice white bun. "Nice going," I thought to myself, "you really made a difference to someone today."
Or so I thought until she rammed the naked buns down her throat, leaving the hapless wurst to languish alone and unappreciated on her plate.....7 -
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I think you mean... he will end up dead at a much younger age, after going blind, having kidney problems, and both legs amputated....
Just sayin'....[/quote]
That, too. It's like a smoker who can't quit. I don't get it, but that's because vanity has always trumped food, in my life.1 -
I agree, so many people think this way of eating is just a fad or won't work long term. I am just going to ignore them as weight drops off of me and I feel better than I have in years. There is no going back for me. It is very obvious to me that my body likes this way of eating.7
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So, my younger daughter just started a new job at a bakery... And she just started back eating moderately low carb at the same time. Lol
Anyway, it's also a deli and when she made herself a sandwich with lettuce instead of any of their fresh baked breads, they were very confused. So she had to explain. And now they apparently all tease her and eat bear claws and such things as close to her face as possible.
She just laughs about it and finds it funny. But she was surprised how weird they all seemed to think not eating bread and sweets by choice is.
Oh, and every day they give away things close to expiration to any enployees that want them. She has been warned not to bring it home. Not because I'll want it because I don't care but my husband is moderately low carbing now but he has to put more effort into it and my youngest is a vacuum cleaner and already eats more of that stuff than I like! So just no!
They think it's extra weird she passes on the free stuff too.5 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »So, my younger daughter just started a new job at a bakery... And she just started back eating moderately low carb at the same time. Lol
Anyway, it's also a deli and when she made herself a sandwich with lettuce instead of any of their fresh baked breads, they were very confused. So she had to explain. And now they apparently all tease her and eat bear claws and such things as close to her face as possible.
She just laughs about it and finds it funny. But she was surprised how weird they all seemed to think not eating bread and sweets by choice is.
Oh, and every day they give away things close to expiration to any enployees that want them. She has been warned not to bring it home. Not because I'll want it because I don't care but my husband is moderately low carbing now but he has to put more effort into it and my youngest is a vacuum cleaner and already eats more of that stuff than I like! So just no!
They think it's extra weird she passes on the free stuff too.
Of course they find it weird. We live in a culture where people are okay with standing in line for 30 minutes for a "free" hot dog.5 -
I wouldn't find it funny, personally, but that's just me. This kind of thing went on at my office to a degree. People would bring in donuts or muffins, cookies, etc and offer me some, and I would politely say no thanks, then this one particular coworker would bring some right to my desk and say "Are you suuuure you don't want any? They are soooo good! You could have ONE, right? One isn't going to kill you. Come on, I baked them myself..." etc etc I finally said to her one day, in front of every one else and in a very firm tone, "I do not want any. Thanks for offering, if you really want to "be nice" I would find it a whole lot nicer if you DIDN'T offer any more. If you want to eat those, fine, but please do not try to take me down with you."
She was miffed at me, but she got over it, and she has been a lot better about not shoving things in my face that she knows I don't want. It's not that I'm tempted, I just find it insulting when people deliberately try to sabotage you under the guise of being "nice".
Or maybe it's just that the older I get, the lower my tolerance for BS goes.14
Ja, it's the wurst! 
Oh... LOL 
