Carbohydrate addiction - for real?
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I know of a past coworker who is in her mid forties and presently resides in a nursing home because she would not or could not lower carbs to help her T2D and PCOS. She's sadly had several toes amputated, had quadruple bypass surgery, and is on dialysis. She still posts pictures of carb filled meals and treats she eats regularly. I do believe carb addiction is real and can eventually kill you sadly.4
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I know of a past coworker who is in her mid forties and presently resides in a nursing home because she would not or could not lower carbs to help her T2D and PCOS. She's sadly had several toes amputated, had quadruple bypass surgery, and is on dialysis. She still posts pictures of carb filled meals and treats she eats regularly. I do believe carb addiction is real and can eventually kill you sadly.
Reality check. Thanks, @anglyn1.1 -
I know of a past coworker who is in her mid forties and presently resides in a nursing home because she would not or could not lower carbs to help her T2D and PCOS. She's sadly had several toes amputated, had quadruple bypass surgery, and is on dialysis. She still posts pictures of carb filled meals and treats she eats regularly. I do believe carb addiction is real and can eventually kill you sadly.
Yes! And who could argue with evidence like that?!?!1 -
You folks are funYou could call it "Hare-BnB"....
While I think a podcast would be wonderful, I doubt my employer would allow me to get that 'social', unfortunately. Not only that, but my holidays are over and I must again return to the working world <sigh> and will have less time to hang out here.
Love it.cstehansen wrote: »@albertabeefy - the problem seems to be you are using logic and reason with those who want to use feelings and emotions. Didn't you know once something has been decided to be true, no amount of facts and further evidence matters? After all, nearly everyone in this group is going to die of a coronary by the age of 50 because we like bacon and actually eat it on a regular basis.
Currently, I am trying to learn Spanish, but for now I am only bilingual in English and Sarcasm.
While nobody should, we know some still would. Diabetes shouldn't have to be progressive. It's an idea that needs to stop being pushed.Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »I know of a past coworker who is in her mid forties and presently resides in a nursing home because she would not or could not lower carbs to help her T2D and PCOS. She's sadly had several toes amputated, had quadruple bypass surgery, and is on dialysis. She still posts pictures of carb filled meals and treats she eats regularly. I do believe carb addiction is real and can eventually kill you sadly.
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"This seems similar to the "no evidence that nicotine is addictive" mantra of 70's, imho."
Doctors in the late 1800's and early 1900's frequently prescribed smoking for (of all things) asthma!! Check out this video from 1949, "More Doctors Smoke Camels"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCMzjJjuxQI
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A real nugget!
Many docs still pride themselves on their great nobility and sacrifice for the well-being of all mankind, all the while confidently parroting current industry mantras. "Whence cometh my bread, thereto flyeth my allegiance."2 -
mandycat223 wrote: »"This seems similar to the "no evidence that nicotine is addictive" mantra of 70's, imho."
Doctors in the late 1800's and early 1900's frequently prescribed smoking for (of all things) asthma!! Check out this video from 1949, "More Doctors Smoke Camels"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCMzjJjuxQI
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cstehansen wrote: »@albertabeefy - the problem seems to be you are using logic and reason with those who want to use feelings and emotions. Didn't you know once something has been decided to be true, no amount of facts and further evidence matters? After all, nearly everyone in this group is going to die of a coronary by the age of 50 because we like bacon and actually eat it on a regular basis.
Currently, I am trying to learn Spanish, but for now I am only bilingual in English and Sarcasm.
This reminded me of this meme I saved.
I have no idea who Bryan is...
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Just watched these videos for the first time. She really hit the nail on the head with the addictive behaviors - planning time to eat carbs; finding a place where you can be alone to engage in your addiction. It is so easy to slip back into these habits!5
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Bümped for recent craving thread.1
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Very good video, thanks for posting. I always find it odd that those against the idea of sugar/carb addiction compare it to heroin addiction. To me it's always been closer to a caffeine addiction, something no one dismisses as being ridiculous. Likewise, alcoholism is an addiction, one that ruins lives and breaks up families in the way of drug addiction, but parts of recovery always seems closer to those battling carbs. I have quite a few alcoholic in my family and the hardest part for them seems to be that alcohol is everywhere and it's hard to be the one not doing it. All this to say, I guess, that addiction takes on different forms and so does recovery.5
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LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »Very good video, thanks for posting. I always find it odd that those against the idea of sugar/carb addiction compare it to heroin addiction. To me it's always been closer to a caffeine addiction, something no one dismisses as being ridiculous. Likewise, alcoholism is an addiction, one that ruins lives and breaks up families in the way of drug addiction, but parts of recovery always seems closer to those battling carbs. I have quite a few alcoholic in my family and the hardest part for them seems to be that alcohol is everywhere and it's hard to be the one not doing it. All this to say, I guess, that addiction takes on different forms and so does recovery.
That's it exactly. We're all our own distinct works in progress (and science projects to try to unravel).
A couple commonalities:
In addicts, the brain responds differently than in people who merely partake;
And it is almost impossible to embrace temptation just once!2 -
That was a great video to watch... I sent to my husband, who keeps saying "I don't get why you can't just do this (diet) in moderation.." and just goes ahead and eats whatever he wants. He doesn't get why I ask him not to bring chips or chocolate or fast food in the house. I have tried so many times to talk to him about sugar/carb addiction... maybe this video will help.5
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I apply the info in these posts to any sort of addiction, just based on the brain chemicals alone. Feel free to take what works and leave the rest:
http://www.foodrenegade.com/how-beat-sugar-cravings-glutamine/
https://www.afpafitness.com/research-articles/alcoholism-need-vitamins-become-well-2
http://flowingfree.org/diet-and-supplements-that-help-you-quit-smoking/
And my favorite:
http://carbsyndrome.com/is-your-brain-two-quarts-low/5 -
My 2cents worth... I've noticed from friends and hubby's relatives that alcohol addiction has a lot to do with unresolved blood sugar issues.... similar mechanisms for carb addiction. Quite a few 'recovered' alcoholics of my acquaintance have very obvious cravings for carbs that they regularly keep feeding, and can get very tetchy about not being able to access these foods when it is inconvenient. This includes hiding food/soda from significant others, and spending money that needs to go for necessities like utility bills on junk food. Exact same behaviours as the alcohol addiction.6
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canadjineh wrote: »My 2cents worth... I've noticed from friends and hubby's relatives that alcohol addiction has a lot to do with unresolved blood sugar issues.... similar mechanisms for carb addiction. Quite a few 'recovered' alcoholics of my acquaintance have very obvious cravings for carbs that they regularly keep feeding, and can get very tetchy about not being able to access these foods when it is inconvenient. This includes hiding food/soda from significant others, and spending money that needs to go for necessities like utility bills on junk food. Exact same behaviours as the alcohol addiction.
Wow! That's pretty interesting. I can't say that I crave less booze now that my carb cravings are under control, but I never would have glanced at my calorie count before pouring a nightcap in the olden days.
Of course, alcohol and carbs are different in that booze undermines glucose production.... er, until you add a mixer and pizza.
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canadjineh wrote: »My 2cents worth... I've noticed from friends and hubby's relatives that alcohol addiction has a lot to do with unresolved blood sugar issues.... similar mechanisms for carb addiction. Quite a few 'recovered' alcoholics of my acquaintance have very obvious cravings for carbs that they regularly keep feeding, and can get very tetchy about not being able to access these foods when it is inconvenient. This includes hiding food/soda from significant others, and spending money that needs to go for necessities like utility bills on junk food. Exact same behaviours as the alcohol addiction.
Wow! That's pretty interesting. I can't say that I crave less booze now that my carb cravings are under control, but I never would have glanced at my calorie count before pouring a nightcap in the olden days.
Of course, alcohol and carbs are different in that booze undermines glucose production.... er, until you add a mixer and pizza.
There is a lot of research out there on alcoholism where most alcoholics become hypoglycemic, so quitting is absolutely associated with horrible feelings because of hypo symptoms. Alcohol is not just carbs but instantly usable carbs - absorbed almost immediately for a carb "high" that ends the symptoms etc. Naturalistic/wholistic alcohol treatment programs recommend specific supplements and guidelines to help avoid this, including L-glutamine for carb and alcohol cravings, etc. I havent had time to really read through it all but I have seen it happening live in a friend and it makes a lot of sense.5 -
I know of a past coworker who is in her mid forties and presently resides in a nursing home because she would not or could not lower carbs to help her T2D and PCOS. She's sadly had several toes amputated, had quadruple bypass surgery, and is on dialysis. She still posts pictures of carb filled meals and treats she eats regularly. I do believe carb addiction is real and can eventually kill you sadly.
I am surrounded by T2D people, and I have at least a few that have a very specific and scary mindset. To them insulin is an "antidote". I.e. "Cheesecake? Sure, let me get a shot". They can eat anything they want because they can use insulin to offset the blood sugar rush. No effort to avoid the rush in the first place. Its amazing to watch.4 -
canadjineh wrote: »My 2cents worth... I've noticed from friends and hubby's relatives that alcohol addiction has a lot to do with unresolved blood sugar issues.... similar mechanisms for carb addiction. Quite a few 'recovered' alcoholics of my acquaintance have very obvious cravings for carbs that they regularly keep feeding, and can get very tetchy about not being able to access these foods when it is inconvenient. This includes hiding food/soda from significant others, and spending money that needs to go for necessities like utility bills on junk food. Exact same behaviours as the alcohol addiction.
Wow! That's pretty interesting. I can't say that I crave less booze now that my carb cravings are under control, but I never would have glanced at my calorie count before pouring a nightcap in the olden days.
Of course, alcohol and carbs are different in that booze undermines glucose production.... er, until you add a mixer and pizza.
There is a lot of research out there on alcoholism where most alcoholics become hypoglycemic, so quitting is absolutely associated with horrible feelings because of hypo symptoms. Alcohol is not just carbs but instantly usable carbs - absorbed almost immediately for a carb "high" that ends the symptoms etc. Naturalistic/wholistic alcohol treatment programs recommend specific supplements and guidelines to help avoid this, including L-glutamine for carb and alcohol cravings, etc. I havent had time to really read through it all but I have seen it happening live in a friend and it makes a lot of sense.
Uh-oh. It's getting more complicated.....
My impression was that straight booze doesn't have any usable carbs and that your liver instead gets working on alcohol as a toxin, thereby relegating glucose metabolism/production to a queue and depressing your BG. (At least I have never had pure hard liquor drive mine up.. .)
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canadjineh wrote: »My 2cents worth... I've noticed from friends and hubby's relatives that alcohol addiction has a lot to do with unresolved blood sugar issues.... similar mechanisms for carb addiction. Quite a few 'recovered' alcoholics of my acquaintance have very obvious cravings for carbs that they regularly keep feeding, and can get very tetchy about not being able to access these foods when it is inconvenient. This includes hiding food/soda from significant others, and spending money that needs to go for necessities like utility bills on junk food. Exact same behaviours as the alcohol addiction.
Wow! That's pretty interesting. I can't say that I crave less booze now that my carb cravings are under control, but I never would have glanced at my calorie count before pouring a nightcap in the olden days.
Of course, alcohol and carbs are different in that booze undermines glucose production.... er, until you add a mixer and pizza.
There is a lot of research out there on alcoholism where most alcoholics become hypoglycemic, so quitting is absolutely associated with horrible feelings because of hypo symptoms. Alcohol is not just carbs but instantly usable carbs - absorbed almost immediately for a carb "high" that ends the symptoms etc. Naturalistic/wholistic alcohol treatment programs recommend specific supplements and guidelines to help avoid this, including L-glutamine for carb and alcohol cravings, etc. I havent had time to really read through it all but I have seen it happening live in a friend and it makes a lot of sense.
Uh-oh. It's getting more complicated.....
My impression was that straight booze doesn't have any usable carbs and that your liver instead gets working on alcohol as a toxin, thereby relegating glucose metabolism/production to a queue and depressing your BG. (At least I have never had pure hard liquor drive mine up.. .)
Is this theory perhaps oversimplified?
Like I said I havent actually had time to read it properly (or much at all). So you are likely correct This is the study I started with and if you google of course you get all kinds of less sciency stuff about it.
http://pubs.sciepub.com/ajms/2/3/2/
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I know of a past coworker who is in her mid forties and presently resides in a nursing home because she would not or could not lower carbs to help her T2D and PCOS. She's sadly had several toes amputated, had quadruple bypass surgery, and is on dialysis. She still posts pictures of carb filled meals and treats she eats regularly. I do believe carb addiction is real and can eventually kill you sadly.
I am surrounded by T2D people, and I have at least a few that have a very specific and scary mindset. To them insulin is an "antidote". I.e. "Cheesecake? Sure, let me get a shot" . They can eat anything they want because they can use insulin to offset the blood sugar rush. No effort to avoid the rush in the first place. Its amazing to watch.
That is such a foreign way of thinking for us LCDers, as we tend to believe there are no antidotes to the poison masquerading as "food."
However, many T2Ds (especially older ones) have been fed poison masquerading as "sound medical advice" for decades....
I'd like to see a grand jury indict the ADA for fraud, racketeering and conspiracy to shorten the lives of our friends and family members.
(Perhaps something like...
"We find overwhelming cause for making the ADA and piles of its conscripted physicians and healthcare professionals publicly confess, apologize, repent, and make amends to the world for:
(Count 1) failing to vigorously pursue an actual cure for diabetes, notwithstanding the enormous shortfall in advertising revenue this would create;
(Count 2) blessing crappy food / making lucrative deals with devils in the food industry;
(Count 3) actively advising T2Ds to aim low (actually high, by settling for dangerously-elevated BG levels);
(Count 4) actively advising T2Ds to eat too many carbs while endorsing expensive pills and injectables produced by its pharmaceutical sponsors.")
Just saying...
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I'd go with that, @RalfLott..... What would sentencing look like I wonder...?And the fines? payable to.... whom?
In the form of financial compensation, maybe?0 -
AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »I'd go with that, @RalfLott..... What would sentencing look like I wonder...?And the fines? payable to.... whom?
In the form of financial compensation, maybe?
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A couple of weeks ago before I started keto I was speaking to my partner about why I wanted to do this and one of the reasons I gave was that I felt addicted to carbs. I've known for a long time that I'm addicted, what I didn't know was that I don't actually need carbs to survive. This untruth is the heart of resistance to living healthy for a lot of people. It's such a relief to find out how wrong that is. I've had decades knowing I'm out of control and not knowing a way to control it. I'm still new and I jumped in without knowing much at all, in fact, pretty much all I knew was that this way of eating would help diabetes management but the more I learn the less fear I have and the more my conviction to continue increases.
I found her discussion on dopamine very interesting, I have ADHD and dopamine deficiency is considered to be a major part of this disorder. The research shows that people with ADHD have a tendency to being overweight. At least those who aren't medicated. Addictions in general have also been shown to be more present in ADHD and the reigning theory is that this behaviour is self medicating for the lack of dopamine.
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For starters.....
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It's frustrating when your closest support is someone who believe that addiction is simply a lack of willpower.
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Sorry to hear that Knit. Addictions can be so insidious and they pounce out of nowhere at times. The best of intentions and focus can be dismantled in seconds. Very discouraging to have to defend your struggles as well. One meal, one snack, one bite at a time. Just keep going forward.3
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KnitOrMiss wrote: »It's frustrating when your closest support is someone who believe that addiction is simply a lack of willpower.
Sounds like you are talking about my husband?
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