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  • DietPrada
    DietPrada Posts: 1,171 Member
    cstehansen wrote: »
    EbonyDahlia wrote: »
    You know, over 4 years of under 20g carbs a day and I have not had a single day where I do not want to eat all of my calories. Keto has allowed me to get my hunger under control, and I can certainly go from lunch to dinner now without feeling crazy hungry but I dance right on the edge of my calorie limit every single day. And I could eat more, oh yes I could. The difference being I can now stop - whereas when I was eating carbs I couldn't.

    I know you have mentioned this before which made me think about something Dr Nally said. He says he is very IR and after thinking he was eating keto for 5+ years, when he actually tested his blood, he was not in ketosis. He said he had to take exogenous ketones to maintain ketosis, and when he did, he finally experienced some of the benefits he had heard others talking about.

    I know the more IR you are, the harder it is to get into and maintain ketosis. Generally speaking it means your body is more prone to converting protein to glucose, so keeping protein lower may be needed.

    I am not sold on taking exogenous ketones. I don't think there is enough research on them yet, and I think they have primarily been marketed to those who want the benefits of keto without eating keto which I don't think will work.

    I don't know if you have done in testing of your blood ketones or not. The meters and strips are not cheap. That might be a worthwhile investment, though.

    If you don't want to or can't test blood ketones, you may want to try an n=1 experiment of going down near the bottom of the needed protein range and possibly going near 0 carb for a few weeks to see if that makes a difference.

    For reference on protein minimums, you can see this:

    https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/how-much-protein-is-excessive/

    Pull quote:

    "In 1985, the WHO reviewed studies of daily obligatory losses of nitrogen, and found that an average is 0.61 g/kg/day (total). Presumable, the diet should replace (roughly) this 0.61 g/kg/day being lost. Remember, this average is for normal healthy people, not people losing muscle or otherwise sick. So the international group recommended that normal healthy people should get roughly 0.6g/kg/day. In order to make sure everybody was covered, the WHO added 25% (2 standard deviations) above the mean to get 0.75 g/kg/day which sometimes gets rounded up to 0.8 g/kg/day. In other words, 97.5% of the healthy general population loses less than this 0.75 g/kg/day of amino acids. This is not a low standard. This is a very, very high standard of protein intake."

    Just eating lower carb, even if not going into ketosis, will help with controlling hunger due to things like lower insulin response, protein and fat taking longer to digest and empty from the stomach, etc. which is what you have found.

    Thanks for this, it's interesting. I'm definitely in ketosis, and over the last 4 years I've tried lower protein (as little as 50g a day) and higher protein lower fat (a few months of each) but the results have been pretty much the same.
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