Amflautist's accountability thread
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wow! Another fast...how do you guys do it? I can only do it when I'm alone. Hope your knee gets better fassssst too. Sending you strength
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Knee fassssst*
Day _____ Weight __ Del __ Total
TuesPM ... 8/22 ... Last meal 2PM
WedAM ... 8/23 ... 195.4
ThurAM ... 8/24 ... 194.0 ... -1.4
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Knee fassssst*
Day _____ Weight __ Del __ Total
TuesPM ... 8/22 ... Last meal 2PM
WedAM ... 8/23 ... 195.4
ThurAM ... 8/24 ... 194.0 ... -1.4
FriAM ...... 8/25 ... 193.6 ... -0.4 ... -1.8
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Niceeeeeeeeee!0
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Way to go!! Whoop!!0
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Nice!0
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Knee fassssst*
Day _____ Weight __ Del __ Total
TuesPM ... 8/22 ... Last meal 2PM
WedAM ... 8/23 ... 195.4
ThurAM ... 8/24 ... 194.0 ... -1.4
FriAM ...... 8/25 ... 193.6 ... -0.4 ... -1.8
SatAM ..... 8/26 ... 192.8 ... -0.8 ... -2.6
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Hooray!! :-)0
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Wow ! Still going strong. It looks sooo rewarding. I wish I could... not yet. My longest fast was 11 days when hubby was away. But...I did that lemon water and maple syrup ( I hated the maple syrup so I used agave nectar). I did the fast till my tongue turned pink. It got a coating on it after about 3 days and when it turns pink you supposedly are cleansed from impurities. You're doing great, you'll be rewarded
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Thank you Kat. I'm motivated because I leave for Spain in two weeks. These knees just gotta work! Actually I'm seeing tremendous improvement already. Just need to keep going. Today was super hard because we had an evening dinner party in our garden. I left when everyone sat down to dinner. My willpower starts flagging around 5pm, and I knew that if I stayed I'd be in trouble. Dear hubby knew why I left and he covered for me.
P.S. I don't intend to do this for more than 4-5 days at a time. A break then back to it. You did 11? Wowww wowww wowww.1 -
Woahhhh..that would be impossible for me to have a dinner party and not eat
My husband was on a trip when I did mine. I stopped because I missed the physical act of eating and food! I guess it's a big part of our day. I think I started out thinking I could go 30 days but I just wasn't distracted enough....it came down to boredom.
So cool that your knee is feeling better. I remember reading that your body has time and energy to repair and fix things when it's not using all it's energy towards metabolizing food. I think I could do a 30 day but I would have to be somewhere like in the Amazon jungle...in a hippy commune- haha0 -
@amflautist You are doing great! Keep it up!0
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Knee fassssst*
Day _____ Weight __ Del __ Total
TuesPM ... 8/22 ... Last meal 2PM
WedAM ... 8/23 ... 195.4
ThurAM ... 8/24 ... 194.0 ... -1.4
FriAM ...... 8/25 ... 193.6 ... -0.4 ... -1.8
SatAM ..... 8/26 ... 192.8 ... -0.8 ... -2.6
SunAM .... 8/27 ... 192.2 ... -0.6 ... -3.2
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Niceeeeeeeeee!0
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I admire your renewed determination amflautist.
Your body will listen and adapt to the new direction you're heading in.
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Wow, you are doing awesome! Your knee is gonna love you!!0
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Thank you for your encouragement everyone. I broke my fast yesterday. I felt very dizzy leaning over the laundry basket, decided I was a dizzy-enough broad already, so ate around 3PM. Those 5* days felt wonderful!
I like how I feel when fasting. Everything works better. I'll start again today. My plan for the next two weeks is fast 4-5 days, eat for 1-2 days in between, start again. Then off to Spain two weeks from today.
* Actually I think that was a 4-day fast. I'm going with the thought that it is only a fast if there is no food all day. Midnight-to-midnight. Our hormones, our genes, are tuned to expect food during daylight, so they probably don't go into fasting mode until the first full day without food. There were only 4 days that satisfied this criterion for me, Wed, Thurs, Fri, Sat. So maybe 4 FD -> 1 OMAD -> 4 FD -> 1 OMAD etc. will be my current practice.
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amflautist wrote: »Thank you for your encouragement everyone. I broke my fast yesterday. I felt very dizzy leaning over the laundry basket, decided I was a dizzy-enough broad already, so ate around 3PM. Those 5* days felt wonderful!
I like how I feel when fasting. Everything works better. I'll start again today. My plan for the next two weeks is fast 4-5 days, eat for 1-2 days in between, start again. Then off to Spain two weeks from today.
* Actually I think that was a 4-day fast. I'm going with the thought that it is only a fast if there is no food all day. Midnight-to-midnight. Our hormones, our genes, are tuned to expect food during daylight, so they probably don't go into fasting mode until the first full day without food. There were only 4 days that satisfied this criterion for me, Wed, Thurs, Fri, Sat. So maybe 4 FD -> 1 OMAD -> 4 FD -> 1 OMAD etc. will be my current practice.
What do you mean by "everything works better"? I've only fasted for a max of 24 hrs so I'm not really familiar with how it feels...
Jealous about Spain - we were there in May (Madrid and south, was awesome!). Have you decided how you are going to eat yet? (E.g. Do OMAD, eat normally, 2 meals?)
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It's good that you broke your fast and well done on going so long, that's awesome! I have the same question as @minigrrll, what's your plan for Spain, especially with all the hard work you've been doing? Or because the extended fasts have been for healing vs weight loss, aren't you too awfully concerned about regaining?0
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I'm changing my plan. Yesterday, in the IF group, I came across a reference to the interview below, and I listened to most of it. Normally, this interview would be TL;DR. However, I am motivated to heal my (bone-on-bone) old knees if I can, instead of a double knee replacement. I have given myself until next summer to see how far I can go on this task. If I don't get to the point where I can walk for 2-3 hours without pain, I'm going for the knee replacement. Note - I HATE this thought. Too many things can go wrong.
Here is what I learned about fasting: 1. It takes two full days before the fasting hormones are fully engaged and doing their jobs. 2. It takes a good week for the stem cells to become regenerative. 3. The actual healing takes place after the fast, when food is available again. 4. Longo says a 4-day fast really isn't enough for healing. He was talking about MS, but I am sure it's the same for all healing. All this info is coming out next January in Longo's new book.
Therefore, in order to make best use of fasting for possibly healing my knees, I am going to fast for 1 week, then slowly get back to my normal fish/veg diet WITHOUT grains & sugar (which set off my knee pain).
1 week Knee fassssst*
OMAD Sunday 8/27 ... Last meal 3PM
FD1 Mon 8/28 ... 195.4
FD2 Tues 8/29 ... 194.2 ... -1.2
FD3 Wed 8/30
FD4 Thurs 8/31 ...
FD5 Fri 9/1 ...
FD6 Sat 9/2 ...
FD7 Sun 9/3 ...
OMAD Monday 9/4 - Sunday 9/10
9/11 On my way to Spain.
Longo's interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6PyyatqJSE 0 -
Lots of good info thank you for sharing; I'll watch the video tonight. So great to have a plan and be informed before hand...makes it all the more bearable. Sounds like you have a good plan and I may try it at some point if I'm alone. I like the cutting out the grains and sugar after the fast. Much success to you.0
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I'm not sure if I've mentioned it to you before, but have you tried Turmeric?
Since I have been taking it regularly (we make our own pills from grocery store turmeric and pepper) my left hip OA pain has all but disappeared. I can walk forever (I do around 16000 steps on most days) and the only time it starts hurting again is when I forget to take the turmeric. It's honestly like night and day from before I started taking it - I only was diagnosed in mid-June and started right away with the pills. Since then I haven't had a single time when I've been walking and had to stop because of sharp pains. It's seriously amazing to me.
I think the fasting plus the turmeric has worked wonders. (and I have to add a caveat that I'm not into "alternative" stuff, I need science to back stuff up).
Also, it doesn't seem to be something that needs time to work - it works right away - like in 30 minutes type thing. I take 4 pills in the morning and 4 at night and sometimes 2 at lunch (my pills are 00 so contain about 800 mg/pill). Might be overdosing, who knows! I figure it's just turmeric, can't be too bad!
(Turmeric is high in oxalates so if you are prone to kidney stones, maybe not the best idea - though my partner is prone to kidney stones and still takes it and it hasn't caused an issue... yet..).1 -
I'm intrigued to listen to this on my way home from work! I love this kinda stuff 0
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I'm not sure if I've mentioned it to you before, but have you tried Turmeric?
Since I have been taking it regularly (we make our own pills from grocery store turmeric and pepper) my left hip OA pain has all but disappeared. I can walk forever (I do around 16000 steps on most days) and the only time it starts hurting again is when I forget to take the turmeric. It's honestly like night and day from before I started taking it - I only was diagnosed in mid-June and started right away with the pills. Since then I haven't had a single time when I've been walking and had to stop because of sharp pains. It's seriously amazing to me.
I think the fasting plus the turmeric has worked wonders. (and I have to add a caveat that I'm not into "alternative" stuff, I need science to back stuff up).
Also, it doesn't seem to be something that needs time to work - it works right away - like in 30 minutes type thing. I take 4 pills in the morning and 4 at night and sometimes 2 at lunch (my pills are 00 so contain about 800 mg/pill). Might be overdosing, who knows! I figure it's just turmeric, can't be too bad!
(Turmeric is high in oxalates so if you are prone to kidney stones, maybe not the best idea - though my partner is prone to kidney stones and still takes it and it hasn't caused an issue... yet..).
I looked for research studies on turmeric. Found this meta-analysis done at NIH. Conclusion was that turmeric was effective for pain relief and lower inflammation, as was ibuprofen. Turmeric had lots of side effects and did nothing to actually heal the arthritis. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5003001/
I will think about using turmeric. Thank you.
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amflautist wrote: »I looked for research studies on turmeric. Found this meta-analysis done at NIH. Conclusion was that turmeric was effective for pain relief and lower inflammation, as was ibuprofen. Turmeric had lots of side effects and did nothing to actually heal the arthritis. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5003001/
I will think about using turmeric. Thank you.
Do you mean that ibuprofen had lots of side effects, or did Turmeric really have lots - quickly looking at that analysis (which I think I read a few weeks ago - I have terrible retention!) I think it's the ibuprofen with the side effects, not the Turmeric.
The best my Dr could do was recommend I dose myself up with Panadol Osteo (paracetemol = acetaminophen = Tylenol) and I was like hell no, that is NOT happening. (And to not stop exercising whatever I do!)0 -
Totally agree with you. I avoid both ibuprofen and acetaminophen. It's good to know that there is a natural substance that will do the job. Thank you. I didn't know that before.0
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1 week Knee fassssst*
OMAD Wed 8/30 ... Last meal 5PM
FD1 Thurs 8/31 ... 195.0
FD2 Fri 9/1 ...
FD3 Sat 9/2 ...
FD4 Sun 9/3 ...
FD5 Mon 9/4 ...
FD6 Tues 9/5 ...
FD7 Wed 9/6
OMAD Thurs 9/7 - Sunday 9/10
9/11 On my way to Spain.
I found a very helpful book that explains the possibilities for healing cartilage in knees. Today I am starting my own knee journal, which will attempt to quantify the progress and setbacks I incur during the next year, in a manner similar to the author of the book I am reading.
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Hopefully you'll have some more relief this week before your Spain trip. Extra positive thoughts sent your way! 0
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amflautist wrote: »1 week Knee fassssst*
OMAD Wed 8/30 ... Last meal 5PM
FD1 Thurs 8/31 ... 195.0
FD2 Fri 9/1 ...
FD3 Sat 9/2 ...
FD4 Sun 9/3 ...
FD5 Mon 9/4 ...
FD6 Tues 9/5 ...
FD7 Wed 9/6
OMAD Thurs 9/7 - Sunday 9/10
9/11 On my way to Spain.
I found a very helpful book that explains the possibilities for healing cartilage in knees. Today I am starting my own knee journal, which will attempt to quantify the progress and setbacks I incur during the next year, in a manner similar to the author of the book I am reading.
Interesting - would you mind sharing the name of the book and the author?0 -
Saving My Knees by Richard Bedard
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