Found a good documentary for beginners

hmikkola92
hmikkola92 Posts: 169 Member
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  • bertadee812
    bertadee812 Posts: 13 Member
    Thanks for sharing!
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
    I'm going to watch this later. Thanks. :)
  • kpk54
    kpk54 Posts: 4,474 Member
    Watched part last night and finished watching today. It was fun and I liked the little bit at the end of: just eat REAL food.
  • RalfLott
    RalfLott Posts: 5,036 Member
    edited April 2017
    kilroy02 wrote: »
    Great video. I remember all the low fat "healthy" crap that was nothing but sugar coated garbage. I remember in the mid 1970's or early 80's they started to bring up how sugar was bad for the heart. My father was working at Nabisco, or Keebler, I can remember which. He was one of the guys who set up the machinery to make the product. They were getting ready for frosted type wheat. The started talking about how sugar was bad for you, and they scrapped the line. It didn't last long, I don't know if the sugar companies paid off our government or what, but pretty soon the low fat craze was going headstrong and they started to make the frosted mini-wheats and things like that. That Susan Powter, stop the insanity was another one. I tried that diet. Eat all the bread you want. I did and it did me no good. I got fatter, hungrier and more tired, and I'm sure my blood sugars went through the roof.

    At high school, it was always a starch loaded meal for lunch, with overcooked peas, or some other vegetable that got tossed in the trash because it tasted horrible. Noodles and chicken with bread and butter. The amount of chicken in that was negligible, but it tasted good. Then I'd try to keep from falling asleep in class afterwards.

    I agree with Gale Hawkins, how many peoples deaths are due to the so called, "Specialists."

    And peddled with the self-same smug confidence that faux physicians stumped on TV for Camels (the "Doctor's Choice"). :s

    *kitten* *asparagus* piss and *kitten*, anyhow! :angry:
  • PaulaJSchiller
    PaulaJSchiller Posts: 100 Member
    Great video! I have watched many videos/ documentaries about our food. It frustrates me, with all the new evidence and science to back up that it is the carbs and grains causing so many of the health issues and not fat, that there still hasn't been much change in what a healthy diet really should look like. Diabetic patients are still being told to eat plenty of healthy whole grains and lean meats and to watch the fat. Same with the heart association. Most doctors still just want a pill to fix the problem and sadly so do a lot of their patients.


  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
    I finally watched it all. :) Very good video.

    @baconslave This video might be a good one to include in the stickies.
  • suzqtme
    suzqtme Posts: 322 Member
    Really good video spoken in a language anyone can understand. No need for rocket science here.

    We need to educate our doctors, I think. It takes a long time for changes to occur in a bureaucracy (and med school is one). As they say, the wheels of change turn slowly.
  • EryOaker
    EryOaker Posts: 434 Member
    Bumping so I can find it easily later tonight.
  • AlexandraCarlyle
    AlexandraCarlyle Posts: 1,603 Member
    edited June 2017
    "Found a good documentary for AMERICAN beginners."

    We don't have Corn syrup as an additive in the UK. WE also don't use a sweetener as widely or as broadly as is used, as an additive,
    So some of this information doesn't apply to UK 'palates'....

    However, we do use disgustingly high proportions of what I call Artificial sweeteners, although labels constantly cite that there are no artificial sweeteners added;
    I think of Aspartame as being one major un-natural additive. And it's everywhere. What's more, the stuff makes me literally sick.
    One taste to me is totally nauseating.

    I cannot buy, anywhere, a single stick of Adult gum that is not artificially sweetened. I'm not exaggerating. All gum now sold to an adult market, is artificially sweetened. At kiosks in petrol stations, in newsagents, at supermarket check-outs - all sugar free. every single last damn stick of it.

    It's all 'Sugar-free' because supposedly, that's better for us and kinder to our teeth. >:(

    If it's that good for us, and it's kinder to our teeth - how come it's not used in confectionery for kids? (Not that sweets are good for kids, that's not what I'm saying!)

    It's disgusting and yet again, the diet industry is telling us what to eat. Like all the low-fat-krap everywhere, we're being targeted and obliged to purchase food that THEY want us to buy....




  • AlexandraCarlyle
    AlexandraCarlyle Posts: 1,603 Member
    Ok (Shaddup Alex) Just finished watching it all the way through.
    Have sent it to 3 other people whom I KNOW will be blown away by different sections of it.
    My daughter (who has joined me on my LCHF WoL) a good friend and colleague, (who asked me to tell her EVERYTHING I know about what I am doing, and who wants to follow suit, but finds it hard as she's the only one in the family keen to do it) and my mother (who has been urged by her doctor to keep taking her Simvastatin, and who thinks he might need to up her dosage....!)

    I am blown away by the whole thing.
    Because I know the whole thing just makes sense and I, and so many others here, are clear-cut proof of that.

    Loved the whole film!

    (But we still don't have corn syrup here... ;) )
  • hoping32
    hoping32 Posts: 33 Member
    I am going to watch this later. Thanks for the information! I bought that Susan powter stuff as well. Still ticked about the "fat makes you fat" bs!!!!! The years I spent being unhealthy because of that! Also, I learned my lesson about the regular forums. Was on there yesterday and there is a lot of misinformation. And some people who are very blinded by their own wisdom
  • AlexandraCarlyle
    AlexandraCarlyle Posts: 1,603 Member
    hoping32 wrote: »
    I am going to watch this later. Thanks for the information! I bought that Susan powter stuff as well. Still ticked about the "fat makes you fat" bs!!!!! The years I spent being unhealthy because of that! Also, I learned my lesson about the regular forums. Was on there yesterday and there is a lot of misinformation. And some people who are very blinded by their own wisdom

    Yeah, I found someone like that on the Italian Forum.

    I left.

  • RalfLott
    RalfLott Posts: 5,036 Member
    hoping32 wrote: »
    Still ticked about the "fat makes you fat" bs!!!!! The years I spent being unhealthy because of that! Also, I learned my lesson about the regular forums. Was on there yesterday and there is a lot of misinformation. And some people who are very blinded by their own wisdom

    My thoughts to your pen.....
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited June 2017
    I guess I have a different experience of the '90s and early '00s, as I remember there being lots of low fat snacks, but I don't remember anyone thinking they were healthy (and low fat was no longer something that people I knew believed in by the early '00s -- I think of it as an '80s and '90s thing). Anyway, more than "healthy," I recall low fat treats being the typical "you can cheat and lose weight without actually having to sacrifice" idea -- which of course was nonsense since they didn't taste that good and weren't satisfying anyway. People knew darn well that nutritious whole foods and, say, vegetables, were what was meant with the low fat recs, not Snackwells or sugary anything, but eh. I also remember the ideas about carbs causing whiplash -- in the '80s as a teen I was already confused with whether pasta was supposed to be fattening or not. (I also remember being shamed for eating a small amount of pasta and lots of sauce, which was always my favorite bit, the pasta was just a vehicle. I was told that was terribly American and in Italy they'd only use a little sauce. I remember thinking "who cares, it's better this way!" Now I think the sauce (homemade with protein and veg and olive oil) IS the nutritious part.

    By the '90s (when I was in my early 20s and first figuring out cooking and all that) I knew the low fat packaged things were not useful and never checked fat percentage/amount. I also remember everyone making fun of Susan Powter even back then, but different social circles and all that. Most of the indulgent foods I recall eating back then (pasta carbonara, say) involved both carbs and fat.

    I also can say that despite being in the US corn syrup has never been more than a de minimis part of my diet. I may check this documentary out anyway, but I hate it when their are generalizations about why people get fat when the reasons are pretty varied and diets are extremely different (I find refined carbs easy to give up, and not that healthy, but they aren't why I got fat, and I never ate fast food in any significant amounts as an adults, yet half the docs out there would suggest that as a fat American -- not fat anymore, but I was -- I must have been eating it all the time).
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    Okay, I know it's supposed to be "there," not "their." I don't get why there's this editing limitation so that those of us who proofread poorly have to look like we are completely illiterate!
  • AlexandraCarlyle
    AlexandraCarlyle Posts: 1,603 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    Okay, I know it's supposed to be "there," not "their." I don't get why there's this editing limitation so that those of us who proofread poorly have to look like we are completely illiterate!

    Because it looks at spelling, not composition. 'There' and 'their' are both correct words. It's not going to correct an already-correct word....
    I keep writing 'form' instead of 'from' and it bugs the living daylights out of me. But it's a really common mistake for me, so I always double-check it when I've written it. 9/10, I have to correct it myself..... Or go back and edit....
  • RalfLott
    RalfLott Posts: 5,036 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    Okay, I know it's supposed to be "there," not "their." I don't get why there's this editing limitation so that those of us who proofread poorly have to look like we are completely illiterate!

    Its are bloody lott inn life...
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    edited June 2017
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    I guess I have a different experience of the '90s and early '00s, as I remember there being lots of low fat snacks, but I don't remember anyone thinking they were healthy (and low fat was no longer something that people I knew believed in by the early '00s -- I think of it as an '80s and '90s thing). Anyway, more than "healthy," I recall low fat treats being the typical "you can cheat and lose weight without actually having to sacrifice" idea -- which of course was nonsense since they didn't taste that good and weren't satisfying anyway. People knew darn well that nutritious whole foods and, say, vegetables, were what was meant with the low fat recs, not Snackwells or sugary anything, but eh. I also remember the ideas about carbs causing whiplash -- in the '80s as a teen I was already confused with whether pasta was supposed to be fattening or not. (I also remember being shamed for eating a small amount of pasta and lots of sauce, which was always my favorite bit, the pasta was just a vehicle. I was told that was terribly American and in Italy they'd only use a little sauce. I remember thinking "who cares, it's better this way!" Now I think the sauce (homemade with protein and veg and olive oil) IS the nutritious part.

    By the '90s (when I was in my early 20s and first figuring out cooking and all that) I knew the low fat packaged things were not useful and never checked fat percentage/amount. I also remember everyone making fun of Susan Powter even back then, but different social circles and all that. Most of the indulgent foods I recall eating back then (pasta carbonara, say) involved both carbs and fat.

    I also can say that despite being in the US corn syrup has never been more than a de minimis part of my diet. I may check this documentary out anyway, but I hate it when their are generalizations about why people get fat when the reasons are pretty varied and diets are extremely different (I find refined carbs easy to give up, and not that healthy, but they aren't why I got fat, and I never ate fast food in any significant amounts as an adults, yet half the docs out there would suggest that as a fat American -- not fat anymore, but I was -- I must have been eating it all the time).

    I had a very very different experience, as you know. I grew up in the late 60s and the 70s eating primarily convenience foods. My mother loathed cooking, and so did her children. I had sugary breakfast cereals or "instant breakfast" every day of my childhood, unless I was at a friend's house (and the juxtaposition was striking, but not...motivating for me). I ate junk for lunch if I packed my lunch. And by middle school, I'd skip lunch to buy candy with my lunch money. Zots, sweet tarts, and peanut M&Ms were my go tos. Dinner was one of a few rotating meals interspersed with lots of frozen dinners. Big tins of frozen chicken and dumplings, frozen pizzas. There were some canned peas lying around. Sure. The produce drawer in the fridge had sliced cheese. We had a coke dispenser in the fridge. Twinkies and dingdongs and poptarts at our easy disposal 24/7/365.

    In college (beginning in 1983) I chose all the hyper palatable foods in the dining hall, even though I did truly like vegetables. I remember actively, consciously thinking I could eat more junk by skipping fruits and vegetables. Pizza and beer whenever I could. When we moved out of the dorms and when left to my own devices it was "Sabine's cheesy ramen" (velveeta and ramen). If my roommates cooked, sure I ate it, but they didn't know much more than I did, with one exception. He could cook. He also loved to bake.

    In grad school my roommate's mom was a cook. That was awesome! We went there on the weekends and ate vegetables, and whole foods and I loved it. But still, when left to my own devices...

    When I moved out on to my own, I still knew nothing, and didn't give it a second thought. I LOVED snack wells, and bought into the low fat nonsense. Low fat dairy? You betcha! White flour tortillas and low fat cheese with some pace picante and I was good to go in the mornings. Packaged pasta with Ragu and I had dinner! And pizza, pizza, pizza. I would have totally bought into the idea that Pizza Hut was a vegetable. And I snacked and I snacked and I snacked. I was in my mid 20s when Susan was Queen. I thought it all made sense. I couldn't bear HER, but I thought it made total sense. I'd never read anything about nutrition, health and the like. I was just an active person. Thank God.

    Still, I literally gained weight from birth to about 34 or 35. Very slowly. One day I said enough is enough and decided to learn to cook. I'd seen Moosewood on my best friend's shelf and bought that. I read. I read. I read. I devised my own approach (roll your own they call it here, heh). It turned out to be very different than the S.A.D. which is why it now made sense to me. It was definitely lower carb, and yes, SLOWER carb. I ditched sodas. No more 20 ounce Dr. Peppers. I ditched my daily snickers. I ditched my daily donut. I ditched my red vines. I ditched most fast food and most commercial convenience foods (and where I didn't, I swapped for something decidedly healthier) And, yes, I remember hearing Dr. Arthur Agatston on NPR talking about his "new" South Beach Diet (long before the books and long long before the products and the ultimate SALE of his diet). That also made sense in my new reality, and so I incorporated lots from his approach. I should say, my best friend ate REALLY healthy, and still does, and he had a HUGE impact on how I overhauled my eating.

    Here I am 16 years later. Still reading, and still learning. But yes, I openly admit I bought into the nonsense, and ate the low fat cookies. Lots of them. I was completely, ridiculously ignorant about nutrition, and health. From birth to 35.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    Okay, I know it's supposed to be "there," not "their." I don't get why there's this editing limitation so that those of us who proofread poorly have to look like we are completely illiterate!

    Because it looks at spelling, not composition. 'There' and 'their' are both correct words. It's not going to correct an already-correct word....
    I keep writing 'form' instead of 'from' and it bugs the living daylights out of me. But it's a really common mistake for me, so I always double-check it when I've written it. 9/10, I have to correct it myself..... Or go back and edit....

    No, I'm not complaining about spellcheck, I don't use spellcheck, and of course I know their and there are both English words and spellcheck could not tell the difference if I used it.

    I'm complaining because this forum/group seems to prevent me from editing twice and I'm a big dummy who cannot proofread well and always notices the most embarrassing typos (like the one I mentioned) AFTER a first edit.

    In case it's not clear, my frustration is with myself for making the typo and just a more elaborate way of saying "no, I'm not actually too ignorant to know the difference between 'there' and 'their'!" once I noticed that the mistake existed in my post and it wouldn't let me change it. ;-)
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    RalfLott wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    Okay, I know it's supposed to be "there," not "their." I don't get why there's this editing limitation so that those of us who proofread poorly have to look like we are completely illiterate!

    Its are bloody lott inn life...

    Heh.
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    Okay, I know it's supposed to be "there," not "their." I don't get why there's this editing limitation so that those of us who proofread poorly have to look like we are completely illiterate!

    Because it looks at spelling, not composition. 'There' and 'their' are both correct words. It's not going to correct an already-correct word....
    I keep writing 'form' instead of 'from' and it bugs the living daylights out of me. But it's a really common mistake for me, so I always double-check it when I've written it. 9/10, I have to correct it myself..... Or go back and edit....

    No, I'm not complaining about spellcheck, I don't use spellcheck, and of course I know their and there are both English words and spellcheck could not tell the difference if I used it.

    I'm complaining because this forum/group seems to prevent me from editing twice and I'm a big dummy who cannot proofread well and always notices the most embarrassing typos (like the one I mentioned) AFTER a first edit.

    In case it's not clear, my frustration is with myself for making the typo and just a more elaborate way of saying "no, I'm not actually too ignorant to know the difference between 'there' and 'their'!" once I noticed that the mistake existed in my post and it wouldn't let me change it. ;-)
    YES. This annoys me!
  • RalfLott
    RalfLott Posts: 5,036 Member
    edited June 2017
    Snackwell >:)

    @Sabine_Stroehm, thanks for the sentimental journey down Dorito St.!

    The *kitten*est thing is, even "healthy" low-fat diets were trainwrecks for some of us. Not sure I would have been worse off metabolically-speaking on those musical, Olestra-soaked Wow! Chips than on reduced-fat (Vitamin K-poor) dairy and "whole grain" bread....

    PS Congrats on becoming awake at the tender age of 35.
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    RalfLott wrote: »
    Snackwell >:)

    @Sabine_Stroehm, thanks for the sentimental journey down Dorito St.!

    The *kitten*est thing is, even "healthy" low-fat diets were trainwrecks for some of us. Not sure I would have been worse off metabolically-speaking on those musical, Olestra-soaked Wow! Chips than on reduced-fat (Vitamin K-poor) dairy and "whole grain" bread....

    Doritos! Man I loved those!!!! The messier the better. And what a mess it was for me.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited June 2017
    Still, I literally gained weight from birth to about 34 or 35. Very slowly. One day I said enough is enough and decided to learn to cook. I'd seen Moosewood on my best friend's shelf and bought that. I read. I read. I read. I devised my own approach (roll your own they call it here, heh). It turned out to be very different than the S.A.D. which is why it now made sense to me. It was definitely lower carb, and yes, SLOWER carb. I ditched sodas. No more 20 ounce Dr. Peppers. I ditched my daily snickers. I ditched my daily donut. I ditched my red vines. I ditched most fast food and most commercial convenience foods (and where I didn't, I swapped for something decidedly healthier) And, yes, I remember hearing Dr. Arthur Agatston on NPR talking about his "new" South Beach Diet (long before the books and long long before the products and the ultimate SALE of his diet). That also made sense in my new reality, and so I incorporated lots from his approach. I should say, my best friend ate REALLY healthy, and still does, and he had a HUGE impact on how I overhauled my eating.

    It's interesting -- I had a totally different experience growing up, but ended up about the same place in my early 30s and decided to fix things. My mom didn't like cooking (I know now), but did -- what I considered "boring traditional American food" (and I STILL think it's the real SAD) -- meat and veg and starch (usually potatoes) for dinner. Sometimes lasagna or spaghetti, with salad on the side (and a bottled dressing, I liked "Italian" and my parents liked "bleu cheese," and my sister was into "French" for a while). Some version of that (protein, veg, starch) for lunch and breakfast (breakfast maybe fruit instead of veg). Now, some of this was biased because I was a weird kid who HATED cereal, supermarket bread (we got whole wheat, but I hated all of it, liked the homemade I'd occasionally get, though), and would not eat the hot lunches at school, and my mother's response was "if you don't like it, make your own meal" from a pretty early age, so I made myself soups (well, they were canned, nothing special) to bring in a thermos, and brought leftover meat (no bread!) to go with it stuff like that, and I made eggs for myself for breakfast until I got too lazy in high school and stopped eating breakfast. We didn't really snack that much -- I remember snacking as a kid in the summer, mostly popsicles and occasional ice cream if the ice cream guy came or my mom would get ice cream sandwiches and we'd get to have one per day. (I also hated Twinkies and Ding Dongs.) As a kid I liked McD's, but it was a rare treat, same with take out pizza. We'd get TV dinners as a special treat if my parents went out, or I'd get to make us grilled cheese and tomato soup (canned, of course). We'd sometimes go out for Mexican or Chinese (which I fear we may have called Oriental), but again, rare.

    Anyway, I ate like that through college, really (our dining halls were good and I went to a small liberal arts school where it was rare to live off campus), and for the first year of law school, and even after that had a roommate who cared about healthy eating so went along with peer pressure, although I went out whenever I could finagle it.

    First job was extremely time consuming, and had some eating out components when traveling, and plus you could get dinner ordered in from lots of different (pretty good) places if you stayed until some time, maybe 8, so I'd routinely stay late and eat all kinds of high cal meals and mostly skipped breakfast. That's when I started gaining weight, and that I also became sedentary and we all joked that if the firm paid it had no calories didn't help.

    When I realized that my weight gain had gotten out of control (friend's wedding photos, as I was in the wedding) I was horrified and decided to lose and my innate sense of how to lose was really to go back to eating how I thought of as a normal diet (not super indulgent as I knew mine had been). So I did no snacks, oats and berries for breakfast (I think yogurt too), bring leftovers for lunch or buy something from a place with reasonable calories listed (local chains), and then dinner that was fast and involved protein, veg, and starch (with the starch and added fat being kept low). It probably was pretty low fat, although I used plenty of olive oil, and was easy and started me on learning how to cook, which eventually became a hobby. This was early 2000s, and like I said, I didn't have any view that low fat was important, my nutritional views were more like "protein is satisfying, meat probably should not be part of every meal, eggs are healthy even though some claim otherwise, grains should be whole if you eat them, but are overemphasized, and vegetables are important." (My diet was terrible in some other ways, because I was drinking too much but was in denial, although I recall specifically looking at the food pyramid or whatever it was then and thinking that I could sub wine or beer for grain servings. Idiotic, but I was pretty thin during this period.)

    I later got obsessed with "eating naturally" and not buying any convenience foods and convinced myself that if I did this I could eat what I wanted and not gain, which turned out (obviously) not to be true, and while I think there was a lot more to it I do think I was eating lots of vegetables and a basically whole foods diet when I first started gaining again (and my knee jerk reaction was that I needed to go locavore and stupid stuff like that). Once I had gained enough to be unhappy with myself I started eating more liberally as I figured it did not matter, but it wasn't at all about reliance on fast food or packaged stuff or foods with corn syrup or even lots of carbs and it certainly wasn't about lack of nutritional knowledge -- I was reading Pollan and Willett and all kinds of whole foods promoting books for fun during this period. There WAS some degree of stress eating involved, and for me not snacking is really key, as well as being active.

    Probably more than anyone wants to know! ;-)
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    edited June 2017
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    Still, I literally gained weight from birth to about 34 or 35. Very slowly. One day I said enough is enough and decided to learn to cook. I'd seen Moosewood on my best friend's shelf and bought that. I read. I read. I read. I devised my own approach (roll your own they call it here, heh). It turned out to be very different than the S.A.D. which is why it now made sense to me. It was definitely lower carb, and yes, SLOWER carb. I ditched sodas. No more 20 ounce Dr. Peppers. I ditched my daily snickers. I ditched my daily donut. I ditched my red vines. I ditched most fast food and most commercial convenience foods (and where I didn't, I swapped for something decidedly healthier) And, yes, I remember hearing Dr. Arthur Agatston on NPR talking about his "new" South Beach Diet (long before the books and long long before the products and the ultimate SALE of his diet). That also made sense in my new reality, and so I incorporated lots from his approach. I should say, my best friend ate REALLY healthy, and still does, and he had a HUGE impact on how I overhauled my eating.

    It's interesting -- I had a totally different experience growing up, but ended up about the same place in my early 30s and decided to fix things. My mom didn't like cooking (I know now), but did -- what I considered "boring traditional American food" (and I STILL think it's the real SAD) -- meat and veg and starch (usually potatoes) for dinner. Sometimes lasagna or spaghetti, with salad on the side (and a bottled dressing, I liked "Italian" and my parents liked "bleu cheese," and my sister was into "French" for a while). Some version of that (protein, veg, starch) for lunch and breakfast (breakfast maybe fruit instead of veg). Now, some of this was biased because I was a weird kid who HATED cereal, supermarket bread (we got whole wheat, but I hated all of it, liked the homemade I'd occasionally get, though), and would not eat the hot lunches at school, and my mother's response was "if you don't like it, make your own meal" from a pretty early age, so I made myself soups (well, they were canned, nothing special) to bring in a thermos, and brought leftover meat (no bread!) to go with it stuff like that, and I made eggs for myself for breakfast until I got too lazy in high school and stopped eating breakfast. We didn't really snack that much -- I remember snacking as a kid in the summer, mostly popsicles and occasional ice cream if the ice cream guy came or my mom would get ice cream sandwiches and we'd get to have one per day. (I also hated Twinkies and Ding Dongs.) As a kid I liked McD's, but it was a rare treat, same with take out pizza. We'd get TV dinners as a special treat if my parents went out, or I'd get to make us grilled cheese and tomato soup (canned, of course). We'd sometimes go out for Mexican or Chinese (which I fear we may have called Oriental), but again, rare.

    Anyway, I ate like that through college, really (our dining halls were good and I went to a small liberal arts school where it was rare to live off campus), and for the first year of law school, and even after that had a roommate who cared about healthy eating so went along with peer pressure, although I went out whenever I could finagle it.

    First job was extremely time consuming, and had some eating out components when traveling, and plus you could get dinner ordered in from lots of different (pretty good) places if you stayed until some time, maybe 8, so I'd routinely stay late and eat all kinds of high cal meals and mostly skipped breakfast. That's when I started gaining weight, and that I also became sedentary and we all joked that if the firm paid it had no calories didn't help.

    When I realized that my weight gain had gotten out of control (friend's wedding photos, as I was in the wedding) I was horrified and decided to lose and my innate sense of how to lose was really to go back to eating how I thought of as a normal diet (not super indulgent as I knew mine had been). So I did no snacks, oats and berries for breakfast (I think yogurt too), bring leftovers for lunch or buy something from a place with reasonable calories listed (local chains), and then dinner that was fast and involved protein, veg, and starch (with the starch and added fat being kept low). It probably was pretty low fat, although I used plenty of olive oil, and was easy and started me on learning how to cook, which eventually became a hobby.

    I later got obsessed with "eating naturally" and not buying any convenience foods and convinced myself that if I did this I could eat what I wanted and not gain, which turned out (obviously) not to be true, and while I think there was a lot more to it I do think I was eating lots of vegetables and a basically whole foods diet when I first started gaining again (and my knee jerk reaction was that I needed to go locavore and stupid stuff like that). Once I had gained enough to be unhappy with myself I started eating more liberally as I figured it did not matter, but it wasn't at all about reliance on fast food or packaged stuff or foods with corn syrup or even lots of carbs and it certainly wasn't about lack of nutritional knowledge -- I was reading Pollan and Willett and all kinds of whole foods promoting books for fun during this period. There WAS some degree of stress eating involved, and for me not snacking is really key, as well as being active.

    Probably more than anyone wants to know! ;-)

    We are quite different in our journeys! When I was in college, and got to (what I now know is) a healthy weight, about 127, I freaked. I went on a "diet" where I had minute rice with soy sauce for breakfast and lunch, and ramen WITHOUT the cheese for dinner. Obviously that didn't last long. But yes, my general approach was pretty flawed! Today I'm having black soybeans, chicken breast, and an avocado for lunch, with a big tub of rocket on the side.

    ETA: I learned to eat a few months after finishing my Ph.D. dissertation. The dissertation definitely added about 10 pounds. Lots of beer. Lots of red vines, and take out.
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    Thanks for posting this, OP. I enjoyed "listening to it" (again) while doing some work at home.
  • AlexandraCarlyle
    AlexandraCarlyle Posts: 1,603 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    Okay, I know it's supposed to be "there," not "their." I don't get why there's this editing limitation so that those of us who proofread poorly have to look like we are completely illiterate!

    Because it looks at spelling, not composition. 'There' and 'their' are both correct words. It's not going to correct an already-correct word....
    I keep writing 'form' instead of 'from' and it bugs the living daylights out of me. But it's a really common mistake for me, so I always double-check it when I've written it. 9/10, I have to correct it myself..... Or go back and edit....

    No, I'm not complaining about spellcheck, I don't use spellcheck, and of course I know their and there are both English words and spellcheck could not tell the difference if I used it.

    I'm complaining because this forum/group seems to prevent me from editing twice and I'm a big dummy who cannot proofread well and always notices the most embarrassing typos (like the one I mentioned) AFTER a first edit.

    In case it's not clear, my frustration is with myself for making the typo and just a more elaborate way of saying "no, I'm not actually too ignorant to know the difference between 'there' and 'their'!" once I noticed that the mistake existed in my post and it wouldn't let me change it. ;-)

    Oh I'm sorry. I apologise, I totally misinterpreted your comment.
    My bad... :blush:
  • MissMorts
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