I'm going to watch this later. Thanks.

kilroy02 wrote: »

Great video. I remember all the low fat "healthy" crap that was nothing but sugar coated garbage. I remember in the mid 1970's or early 80's they started to bring up how sugar was bad for the heart. My father was working at Nabisco, or Keebler, I can remember which. He was one of the guys who set up the machinery to make the product. They were getting ready for frosted type wheat. The started talking about how sugar was bad for you, and they scrapped the line. It didn't last long, I don't know if the sugar companies paid off our government or what, but pretty soon the low fat craze was going headstrong and they started to make the frosted mini-wheats and things like that. That Susan Powter, stop the insanity was another one. I tried that diet. Eat all the bread you want. I did and it did me no good. I got fatter, hungrier and more tired, and I'm sure my blood sugars went through the roof.

At high school, it was always a starch loaded meal for lunch, with overcooked peas, or some other vegetable that got tossed in the trash because it tasted horrible. Noodles and chicken with bread and butter. The amount of chicken in that was negligible, but it tasted good. Then I'd try to keep from falling asleep in class afterwards.

I agree with Gale Hawkins, how many peoples deaths are due to the so called, "Specialists."

And peddled with the self-same smug confidence that faux physicians stumped on TV for Camels (the "Doctor's Choice").

*kitten* *asparagus* piss and *kitten*, anyhow!

I finally watched it all. Very good video.

@baconslave This video might be a good one to include in the stickies.

Bumping so I can find it easily later tonight.

Ok (Shaddup Alex) Just finished watching it all the way through.
Have sent it to 3 other people whom I KNOW will be blown away by different sections of it.
My daughter (who has joined me on my LCHF WoL) a good friend and colleague, (who asked me to tell her EVERYTHING I know about what I am doing, and who wants to follow suit, but finds it hard as she's the only one in the family keen to do it) and my mother (who has been urged by her doctor to keep taking her Simvastatin, and who thinks he might need to up her dosage....!)

I am blown away by the whole thing.
Because I know the whole thing just makes sense and I, and so many others here, are clear-cut proof of that.

Loved the whole film!

(But we still don't have corn syrup here... )

hoping32 wrote: »

I am going to watch this later. Thanks for the information! I bought that Susan powter stuff as well. Still ticked about the "fat makes you fat" bs!!!!! The years I spent being unhealthy because of that! Also, I learned my lesson about the regular forums. Was on there yesterday and there is a lot of misinformation. And some people who are very blinded by their own wisdom

Yeah, I found someone like that on the Italian Forum.

I left.

I guess I have a different experience of the '90s and early '00s, as I remember there being lots of low fat snacks, but I don't remember anyone thinking they were healthy (and low fat was no longer something that people I knew believed in by the early '00s -- I think of it as an '80s and '90s thing). Anyway, more than "healthy," I recall low fat treats being the typical "you can cheat and lose weight without actually having to sacrifice" idea -- which of course was nonsense since they didn't taste that good and weren't satisfying anyway. People knew darn well that nutritious whole foods and, say, vegetables, were what was meant with the low fat recs, not Snackwells or sugary anything, but eh. I also remember the ideas about carbs causing whiplash -- in the '80s as a teen I was already confused with whether pasta was supposed to be fattening or not. (I also remember being shamed for eating a small amount of pasta and lots of sauce, which was always my favorite bit, the pasta was just a vehicle. I was told that was terribly American and in Italy they'd only use a little sauce. I remember thinking "who cares, it's better this way!" Now I think the sauce (homemade with protein and veg and olive oil) IS the nutritious part.

By the '90s (when I was in my early 20s and first figuring out cooking and all that) I knew the low fat packaged things were not useful and never checked fat percentage/amount. I also remember everyone making fun of Susan Powter even back then, but different social circles and all that. Most of the indulgent foods I recall eating back then (pasta carbonara, say) involved both carbs and fat.

I also can say that despite being in the US corn syrup has never been more than a de minimis part of my diet. I may check this documentary out anyway, but I hate it when their are generalizations about why people get fat when the reasons are pretty varied and diets are extremely different (I find refined carbs easy to give up, and not that healthy, but they aren't why I got fat, and I never ate fast food in any significant amounts as an adults, yet half the docs out there would suggest that as a fat American -- not fat anymore, but I was -- I must have been eating it all the time).

lemurcat12 wrote: »

Okay, I know it's supposed to be "there," not "their." I don't get why there's this editing limitation so that those of us who proofread poorly have to look like we are completely illiterate!

Because it looks at spelling, not composition. 'There' and 'their' are both correct words. It's not going to correct an already-correct word....
I keep writing 'form' instead of 'from' and it bugs the living daylights out of me. But it's a really common mistake for me, so I always double-check it when I've written it. 9/10, I have to correct it myself..... Or go back and edit....

lemurcat12 wrote: »

I guess I have a different experience of the '90s and early '00s, as I remember there being lots of low fat snacks, but I don't remember anyone thinking they were healthy (and low fat was no longer something that people I knew believed in by the early '00s -- I think of it as an '80s and '90s thing). Anyway, more than "healthy," I recall low fat treats being the typical "you can cheat and lose weight without actually having to sacrifice" idea -- which of course was nonsense since they didn't taste that good and weren't satisfying anyway. People knew darn well that nutritious whole foods and, say, vegetables, were what was meant with the low fat recs, not Snackwells or sugary anything, but eh. I also remember the ideas about carbs causing whiplash -- in the '80s as a teen I was already confused with whether pasta was supposed to be fattening or not. (I also remember being shamed for eating a small amount of pasta and lots of sauce, which was always my favorite bit, the pasta was just a vehicle. I was told that was terribly American and in Italy they'd only use a little sauce. I remember thinking "who cares, it's better this way!" Now I think the sauce (homemade with protein and veg and olive oil) IS the nutritious part.

By the '90s (when I was in my early 20s and first figuring out cooking and all that) I knew the low fat packaged things were not useful and never checked fat percentage/amount. I also remember everyone making fun of Susan Powter even back then, but different social circles and all that. Most of the indulgent foods I recall eating back then (pasta carbonara, say) involved both carbs and fat.

I also can say that despite being in the US corn syrup has never been more than a de minimis part of my diet. I may check this documentary out anyway, but I hate it when their are generalizations about why people get fat when the reasons are pretty varied and diets are extremely different (I find refined carbs easy to give up, and not that healthy, but they aren't why I got fat, and I never ate fast food in any significant amounts as an adults, yet half the docs out there would suggest that as a fat American -- not fat anymore, but I was -- I must have been eating it all the time).

I had a very very different experience, as you know. I grew up in the late 60s and the 70s eating primarily convenience foods. My mother loathed cooking, and so did her children. I had sugary breakfast cereals or "instant breakfast" every day of my childhood, unless I was at a friend's house (and the juxtaposition was striking, but not...motivating for me). I ate junk for lunch if I packed my lunch. And by middle school, I'd skip lunch to buy candy with my lunch money. Zots, sweet tarts, and peanut M&Ms were my go tos. Dinner was one of a few rotating meals interspersed with lots of frozen dinners. Big tins of frozen chicken and dumplings, frozen pizzas. There were some canned peas lying around. Sure. The produce drawer in the fridge had sliced cheese. We had a coke dispenser in the fridge. Twinkies and dingdongs and poptarts at our easy disposal 24/7/365.

In college (beginning in 1983) I chose all the hyper palatable foods in the dining hall, even though I did truly like vegetables. I remember actively, consciously thinking I could eat more junk by skipping fruits and vegetables. Pizza and beer whenever I could. When we moved out of the dorms and when left to my own devices it was "Sabine's cheesy ramen" (velveeta and ramen). If my roommates cooked, sure I ate it, but they didn't know much more than I did, with one exception. He could cook. He also loved to bake.

In grad school my roommate's mom was a cook. That was awesome! We went there on the weekends and ate vegetables, and whole foods and I loved it. But still, when left to my own devices...

When I moved out on to my own, I still knew nothing, and didn't give it a second thought. I LOVED snack wells, and bought into the low fat nonsense. Low fat dairy? You betcha! White flour tortillas and low fat cheese with some pace picante and I was good to go in the mornings. Packaged pasta with Ragu and I had dinner! And pizza, pizza, pizza. I would have totally bought into the idea that Pizza Hut was a vegetable. And I snacked and I snacked and I snacked. I was in my mid 20s when Susan was Queen. I thought it all made sense. I couldn't bear HER, but I thought it made total sense. I'd never read anything about nutrition, health and the like. I was just an active person. Thank God.

Still, I literally gained weight from birth to about 34 or 35. Very slowly. One day I said enough is enough and decided to learn to cook. I'd seen Moosewood on my best friend's shelf and bought that. I read. I read. I read. I devised my own approach (roll your own they call it here, heh). It turned out to be very different than the S.A.D. which is why it now made sense to me. It was definitely lower carb, and yes, SLOWER carb. I ditched sodas. No more 20 ounce Dr. Peppers. I ditched my daily snickers. I ditched my daily donut. I ditched my red vines. I ditched most fast food and most commercial convenience foods (and where I didn't, I swapped for something decidedly healthier) And, yes, I remember hearing Dr. Arthur Agatston on NPR talking about his "new" South Beach Diet (long before the books and long long before the products and the ultimate SALE of his diet). That also made sense in my new reality, and so I incorporated lots from his approach. I should say, my best friend ate REALLY healthy, and still does, and he had a HUGE impact on how I overhauled my eating.

Here I am 16 years later. Still reading, and still learning. But yes, I openly admit I bought into the nonsense, and ate the low fat cookies. Lots of them. I was completely, ridiculously ignorant about nutrition, and health. From birth to 35.