This November I Will...
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@themedalist, thank you for welcoming me back to the challenges, and the encouraging words about my goal of drinking water in the morning and linking it to exercise also. Yesterday morning when I changed my plans and decided that I needed to rest from my regular exercise and to use the walking during errands/ grocery shopping for a light exercise I still drank water first thing in the morning. Linking the two activities, even just thinking about the second one, still reminded me to do the first, and I drank the water. Wow! This is powerful stuff! I am encouraged for sure!
@M310, you asked "has anyone read the Mitford series by Jan Karon?"...
I listened to the audio books of the whole series from my library. I absolutely loved them. The very last book was so sweet with a satisfying end to the series. Although I wish they would've gone on forever
. I loved Father Tim's wisdom. A very uplifting and sweet series, but really a lot of fun at the same time 
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@nebslp, Yep, the post is gone forever if you leave the page
. I've been there and definitely have done that also. To help me not get caught again that way I often open a second tab in the thread and read the posts in the original tab, and reply on the second tab so I don't accidentally leave the page. And if you preview the post you are writing and get distracted and forget to click "post reply" it is also gone forever .
It is wonderful that you are doing well with your "down and up and 5 minutes of floor exercises". Even when you didn't really want to do it! Awesomeness!!
I am doing well so far with drinking water first thing in the morning. I sip it so that it takes a little while to finish about 20 ounces. I have remembered to prepare the water for the next morning as well. Thank you for asking .
@PinkyPan1, That was a great idea to pick up some books at the Goodwill. I love Goodwill as a source for books as well as a place that I also donate books to.
Speaking of donating... yay for another Declutterfest coming up.
You are doing really well reading every night before bed! A book by Erma Bombeck would be so delightful to read before sleeping!
@77tes, Doing great persevering through the essays! Love seeing all of those stars
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@prgirl39mfp, yes! change your goal to doing some yard work instead of any "regular kind" of exercise! Yard work is most definitely exercise :flowerforyou: . I am proud of you for being out there in the yard.
We got more rain so I have to wait for it to dry up before I get out there again. Can't complain, even if rainy days give me headaches, because we often don't get enough rain as it is. My sweet hubby
surprised me by bringing home pansies since I've been making progress cleaning up the garden. He helped by cleaning up the side of the house area and then planted some of the pansies in the boxes in the front of the house before the rain. I'm looking forward to planting the rest of them in the back fence garden next week and doing more yard/garden work as well 
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@PackerFanInGB, What a wonderful and well thought out plan that you have to drink more water!
@gojolida, Yay for you that you are "back on the water train and back on [your] healthy goals" . Excellent!!
@MessyApron, I really like your quotation: "Don't expect to be motivated every day to get out there and make things happen. You won’t be. Don’t count on motivation. Count on Discipline.” – Jocko Willink . It is very inspirational. Thank you for posting it.
Onward with our November goals while enjoying our weekend
texasgardnr :flowerforyou:
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I’m so proud of us! I’m proud of us for setting a goal, laying out a plan, and then making that goal a reality. It’s our ACTIONS that result in better health and wellness, and I couldn’t be more impressed with the actions our group is taking. And even when the goal needs some editing, as @prgirl39mfp experienced, there is still a way to move forward. Yard work is great exercise!
And I love how supportive and encouraging everyone is!
Regarding disappearing posts, one thing I do if I know my post will be long is to write it first in Notes or a word processor (or better yet use talk to text) and then copy and paste.
@texasgardnr, no words for how happy I am to have you rejoin our group! I’m glad your husband brought you pansies and that you got some rain. Such a pretty flower! And yes, Fall Declutterfest starts in 2 days! Just in time for Thanksgiving, for those of us in the US.
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Guess what I found when I went grocery shopping yesterday?
Yup, local salad greens grown hydroponically right here in New Hampshire without pesticides. And competitively priced! I couldn’t be more excited! I love buying local produce, but that’s hard to do living in a cold climate state. They had so many varieties and now my salads will have extra zing!
Doing well with both my AM and PM habits. The 50% caffeine reduction has had no downside (I’m still awake!) but I do feel less jittery. And I’ve had a dinner salad 7 out of 9 days so far this month.
Enjoy your weekend!
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I just did my morning Calm meditation and today’s Daily Calm was about building good habits, especially mental habits. Our thought processes are just habits and just like our physical habits, our mental habits can be changed with time and practice. If you are a Calm subscriber, check out today’s Daily Calm. This is a great quote:
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@themedalist I absolutely ❤️love❤️ the Calm quote!! It’s catchy so maybe I’ll be able to remember it.
Confession time...I cut up my veggies all pretty in a bowl but haven’t touched them😕 and I missed my down and up yesterday because I didn’t want to do it!!! My goal is to get down and up and fear of pain or injury has been the deterrent. I’ve been using the stairs to help me and have enjoyed the floor exercises but that’s not my goal. I walk and hike alone and need to be able to get up by myself from the ground if I fall. The pads shipped yesterday so they should be here soon🤞4 -
Well, I've finished my back-log of essays.
It feels wonderful to be caught up with all my grading, so I am free until Tuesday when a new set of essays is turned in. However, I have been practicing clicking the essay button first when I log into Canvas even when I don't have any essays to grade, so I'll be ready for the next set.
@themedalist ,I love that you've found local salad greens. There is a hydroponic lettuce vendor at the farmer's market I visit, and it is nice that I can depend on those even if the weather has been rough on the lettuce crop.
@nebslp, I never thought about getting up after falling when hiking alone - that is truly important.2 -
Special thanks to @themedalist, @texasgardnr , @nebslp , and @prgirl39mfp and everyone for the support. You make me excited to be part of the group and I have been enjoying reading about everyone's goals. Because everyone is so positive, it makes more seem possible!
I'm excited because I started pre-planning my menus this week and it has made a huge difference for me staying on track with nutrition. I have a mini goal to post my progress next week keeping this up.
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themedalist wrote: »MessyApron wrote: »@prgirl39mfpprgirl39mfp wrote: »On my days off from work all I want to do is be in bed. I have no motivation, and that always happens this time of year but I don not rely on it to do the work, I am just not making the decision to do it.
I got inspired by a quote earlier this week that talks about that should-but-I-don't-wanna limbo. Here it is, I hope it fires you up like it did for me!
"Don't expect to be motivated every day to get out there and make things happen. You won’t be. Don’t count on motivation. Count on Discipline.” – Jocko Willink
That's a great quote, @MessyApron. It is discipline that's needed and discipline can be the foundation for a new habit. If every morning you start the day with some exercise, drink more water, do your daily floor exercises, get those essays graded, tend to the yard, and do some reading just before bed, over time those habits and routines don't need motivation in order to happen. They are just something that you do and a reflection of who you are.
@themedalist Exactly❣️❣️❣️
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@themedalist I absolutely ❤️love❤️ the Calm quote!! It’s catchy so maybe I’ll be able to remember it.
Confession time...I cut up my veggies all pretty in a bowl but haven’t touched them😕 and I missed my down and up yesterday because I didn’t want to do it!!! My goal is to get down and up and fear of pain or injury has been the deterrent. I’ve been using the stairs to help me and have enjoyed the floor exercises but that’s not my goal. I walk and hike alone and need to be able to get up by myself from the ground if I fall. The pads shipped yesterday so they should be here soon🤞
Hi @nebslp !
I feel on September 23 instantly sleeping on some pebbles on top of a hard packed dirt slope (mountain bike path)...
Luckily my husband was with me my legs are finding one of my arms was. This experience really got me thinking about whether I should be hiking by myself, which I also do sometimes. I think my rule is going to be if I’m walking on asphalt I can go and self I’m working on dirt trails I need to go with a friend or my husband. And I do think that the social interaction will be good for me!
I also decided that I’m not gonna hike in areas that don’t have cell phone coverage.
But the real reason I’m writing to you because I’m wondering if there’s someway you can make it so you practice the down and up not from the ground, but maybe from something 2” off the ground and then maybe a few days later a week start with something 1.5” off the ground and then a foot off the ground and kind of gradually move down to the ground —- give your body time to adjust and make it less of a big first step. It might also help you see what is pain free!!
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So, I began Nov 6! Post craziness and stressful times! Ensuring Success
In November (Nov 6-30), I will:
A >>> exercise an average > 80 mins daily
B >>> walk an average > 10K steps daily
C >>> no sugar
D >>> no starches after 5 pm
E >>> calories burned > calories eaten daily
F >>> track all foods I eat
G >>> practice gratitude throughout my day
Update:
11/6 Yes, all
11/7 “ “
11/8 “ “
11/9 “ “
11/10 all but C, but was moderate (ate 1/2) & mindful (savored each morsel) felt in control.
Down 2.2-3 lbs since Nov 5/6th
Little changes work. The only new ones are C & D. They can trigger my appetite. I removed all foods I was eating with any refined sugar for C. And for D, I eat veggies, fruit, and milk, but not potatoes, bread, cereal after 5.
I am very close to my goal. I weigh 156, and my dr said not to go below 150. We’d reassess then. I began 228.3 in Jan 2016, and gave myself 3 years. I might fun over to Valentines Day, and I’m fine with that. I have lost more slowly as I’ve gotten thinner on purpose to ease into Maintenance.
My Best to all of my Fellow Travelers on this life-changing Journey❣️
Oh! And my 15 mins a day on prioritized to do list (all those jobs I used to dread & put off Months, years...) IT’S WORKING!!!! Getting major things done!
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@themedalist I absolutely ❤️love❤️ the Calm quote!! It’s catchy so maybe I’ll be able to remember it.
Confession time...I cut up my veggies all pretty in a bowl but haven’t touched them😕 and I missed my down and up yesterday because I didn’t want to do it!!! My goal is to get down and up and fear of pain or injury has been the deterrent. I’ve been using the stairs to help me and have enjoyed the floor exercises but that’s not my goal. I walk and hike alone and need to be able to get up by myself from the ground if I fall. The pads shipped yesterday so they should be here soon🤞
Thanks for the insight, @nebslp, that the floor exercises are intended to help you get up off the ground should you fall while hiking. That makes a lot of sense. I like @MadisonMolly2017 ‘s suggestion to ease into the floor, gradually lowering the distance. I have another suggestion, which you might already be doing. Do you use a walking/hiking pole? I always use mine when I’m walking in my woods and many times it’s saved me from falling. And once, I did fall and my sturdy pole enabled me to get up again! By pole, I don’t mean a relatively flimsy walking pole that folks are using to boost calories from walking. I mean a good sturdy walking stick. I got mine as a Mother’s Day gift from Eastern Mountain Sports. Best gift ever!2 -
Special thanks to @themedalist, @texasgardnr , @nebslp , and @prgirl39mfp and everyone for the support. You make me excited to be part of the group and I have been enjoying reading about everyone's goals. Because everyone is so positive, it makes more seem possible!
I'm excited because I started pre-planning my menus this week and it has made a huge difference for me staying on track with nutrition. I have a mini goal to post my progress next week keeping this up.
This is great to hear, @M310! We are very happy you’ve joined us! And pre-planning your menus is so helpful to staying on track!1 -
Well, I've finished my back-log of essays. It feels wonderful to be caught up with all my grading, so I am free until Tuesday when a new set of essays is turned in. However, I have been practicing clicking the essay button first when I log into Canvas even when I don't have any essays to grade, so I'll be ready for the next set.
@themedalist ,I love that you've found local salad greens. There is a hydroponic lettuce vendor at the farmer's market I visit, and it is nice that I can depend on those even if the weather has been rough on the lettuce crop.
@nebslp, I never thought about getting up after falling when hiking alone - that is truly important.
Congrats on clearing up the essay back-log, @77tes. I got a chuckle out of the essay button clicking practice. But that’s how to make it a habit!1 -
@MadisonMolly2017, you’ve got a great plan for November. And while it looks like at first glance, “How are you going to do all of this?” only two, the no sugar and no starches after 5pm goals, are new. The others are a continuation of your earlier goals and habits. And all built on small sustainable steps! That’s fabulous! Go you!2
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Hello friends!
I'm checking in on my goal, and I am so far 7/7!
Saturday morning was the most difficult day for to stick with, for sure. I got woken up in the middle of a REM cycle the night and that threw off the timing for my remaining sleep cycles, meaning I was as groggy as grandpa's eggnog recipe when that alarm went off. Immediately my limbic system started kicking up a fuss and coming up with bs reasons why I should stay in bed and that it was totally fine for me to skip today. I had to dig deep and remember to rely on discipline to get up and get moving.
Some of you may remember that the carrot and stick that I set up for myself is that I can only have my cold brew iced coffee in the morning if I get up without hitting snooze and put in some movement. Something that I have found though, is that I don't seem to really need the coffee with the same fierce intensity when I time my sleep cycles right and have a workout first thing. It's a pleasant surprise; I find myself able to enjoy a relaxing cup of tea later on in the day instead of jonesing for another hit of java.
All in all, I'm pleased with my progress.
@themedalist It sounds like you have a lot of goals you're working on all at once. Hope so you keep that from getting overwhelming?
@nebslp I just listened to a podcast where a physical therapist was talking about the pain of injury and going back to training. It might have something in there that can help you. Here's the link, if you're interested: https://anchor.fm/duck-legs/episodes/Biggest-Mistake-Injured-Athletes-Make-with-Dr--Quinn-Henoch-of-Clinical-Athlete-euk8c
@77tes It always feels good to be finished with an onerous task. Enjoy your freedom.
@M310 Well done planning out your meals! I always feel like having a planning and preparation are half the battle.4 -
themedalist wrote: »@MadisonMolly2017, you’ve got a great plan for November. And while it looks like at first glance, “How are you going to do all of this?” only two, the no sugar and no starches after 5pm goals, are new. The others are a continuation of your earlier goals and habits. And all built on small sustainable steps! That’s fabulous! Go you!
@themedalist Thank you! Hadn’t counted on disruption in ability to exercise. Will do the best I can & frog back to walking when it is safe!1 -
I'm adding some movement to my challenge of drinking more water. I want to stay accountable, so I'm posting here.
November Goal: 64+ oz of water and 5 "somethings" each time I go to the ladies room
What does this look like? Red cup at home and blue cup at work to remind me to drink water. No afternoon cup of coffee if I don't get the 64 oz of water in. 5 "somethings: when I go to ladies room, I will do five somethings--those can be 5 squats, 5 wall push-ups, 5 arm circles, etc.
Triggers: my colorful cups and the subsequent trips to the restroom!
Reward: I will pat myself on the back with words each time I am successful with a "you go, girl!" or "Nice!"
End of month: I hope at the end of the month to feel more energetic and my muscles to feel a bit stronger which would totally rock!!!!
Thanks!
Starting this one fresh today...so today will be my Day 1.
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@MessyApron hi! Thanks for the podcast tip. I am always looking for new ones. I listened to the one you mentioned and I think it dealt more with training after recent injuries and it had good info on that. My problem is caused by surgery I had over 10 years ago that caused nerve damage which results in pain from pressure. Even pushing on my knees when I'm sitting feels weird and there's some pain. My knees are less numb than they used to be, and there's less pain, too. But bumping them sends me through the roof. Nothing major, just annoying, and I'm trying to figure out how to work around the pain of kneeling. I also have some concern about breaking the replaced patella, so the struggle is real!!! I generally never talk about it because it's definitely something I can live with. Thanks again. I'm always open for new ideas:)
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themedalist wrote: »@themedalist I absolutely ❤️love❤️ the Calm quote!! It’s catchy so maybe I’ll be able to remember it.
Confession time...I cut up my veggies all pretty in a bowl but haven’t touched them😕 and I missed my down and up yesterday because I didn’t want to do it!!! My goal is to get down and up and fear of pain or injury has been the deterrent. I’ve been using the stairs to help me and have enjoyed the floor exercises but that’s not my goal. I walk and hike alone and need to be able to get up by myself from the ground if I fall. The pads shipped yesterday so they should be here soon🤞
Thanks for the insight, @nebslp, that the floor exercises are intended to help you get up off the ground should you fall while hiking. That makes a lot of sense. I like @MadisonMolly2017 ‘s suggestion to ease into the floor, gradually lowering the distance. I have another suggestion, which you might already be doing. Do you use a walking/hiking pole? I always use mine when I’m walking in my woods and many times it’s saved me from falling. And once, I did fall and my sturdy pole enabled me to get up again! By pole, I don’t mean a relatively flimsy walking pole that folks are using to boost calories from walking. I mean a good sturdy walking stick. I got mine as a Mother’s Day gift from Eastern Mountain Sports. Best gift ever!
@themedalist and @MadisonMolly2017 Thanks for the suggestions in helping me deal with my November goal. I have started using the step that leads from the front entrance to the living room and it's a good height...about 5-6 inches. I feel like I'm not "cheating" my goal as much as when I use the upstairs landing steps to get back up. And absolutely I bring my cell phone on my walks, especially since I got scared one time thinking I was lost less than a mile from home (long story, lots of trees, no phone...). My daughter gave me awesome trekking poles that I've used for about 8 years when I go trekking through waist high grass and over rough fields and through reedy sloughs (my favorite places to explore). I would NEVER go without my poles except when I'm walking on the main road. They've held me up many times and I think they would be a life-saver if I ever fell down.
I'm not ready to give up my solitude and take anyone with me on my ventures. Those nature walks have a spiritual component that I wouldn't experience if I was talking to someone or even just walking with them. So I'll just take my chances...and my phone!
Thanks for the encouragement!
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themedalist wrote: »@themedalist I absolutely ❤️love❤️ the Calm quote!! It’s catchy so maybe I’ll be able to remember it.
Confession time...I cut up my veggies all pretty in a bowl but haven’t touched them😕 and I missed my down and up yesterday because I didn’t want to do it!!! My goal is to get down and up and fear of pain or injury has been the deterrent. I’ve been using the stairs to help me and have enjoyed the floor exercises but that’s not my goal. I walk and hike alone and need to be able to get up by myself from the ground if I fall. The pads shipped yesterday so they should be here soon🤞
Thanks for the insight, @nebslp, that the floor exercises are intended to help you get up off the ground should you fall while hiking. That makes a lot of sense. I like @MadisonMolly2017 ‘s suggestion to ease into the floor, gradually lowering the distance. I have another suggestion, which you might already be doing. Do you use a walking/hiking pole? I always use mine when I’m walking in my woods and many times it’s saved me from falling. And once, I did fall and my sturdy pole enabled me to get up again! By pole, I don’t mean a relatively flimsy walking pole that folks are using to boost calories from walking. I mean a good sturdy walking stick. I got mine as a Mother’s Day gift from Eastern Mountain Sports. Best gift ever!
@themedalist and @MadisonMolly2017 Thanks for the suggestions in helping me deal with my November goal. I have started using the step that leads from the front entrance to the living room and it's a good height...about 5-6 inches. I feel like I'm not "cheating" my goal as much as when I use the upstairs landing steps to get back up. And absolutely I bring my cell phone on my walks, especially since I got scared one time thinking I was lost less than a mile from home (long story, lots of trees, no phone...). My daughter gave me awesome trekking poles that I've used for about 8 years when I go trekking through waist high grass and over rough fields and through reedy sloughs (my favorite places to explore). I would NEVER go without my poles except when I'm walking on the main road. They've held me up many times and I think they would be a life-saver if I ever fell down.
I'm not ready to give up my solitude and take anyone with me on my ventures. Those nature walks have a spiritual component that I wouldn't experience if I was talking to someone or even just walking with them. So I'll just take my chances...and my phone!
Thanks for the encouragement!
Sounds like a great plan @nebslp & I totally agree that solo nature explorations are quite different than with others. I notice so much more of nature when I am alone! Sounds like you have it all figured out! Walking 🚶♀️3 -
@PackerFanInGB I like the idea of having colorful cups to remind you to drink.2
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MessyApron wrote: »@PackerFanInGB I like the idea of having colorful cups to remind you to drink.
Thanks! I have to "trick" myself by using visual cues... Red glass by kitchen sink so I grab a glass when I walk in there to "browse"...
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MadisonMolly2017 wrote: »
I'm not ready to give up my solitude and take anyone with me on my ventures. Those nature walks have a spiritual component that I wouldn't experience if I was talking to someone or even just walking with them. So I'll just take my chances...and my phone!
Thanks for the encouragement!
Sounds like a great plan @nebslp & I totally agree that solo nature explorations are quite different than with others. I notice so much more of nature when I am alone! Sounds like you have it all figured out! Walking 🚶♀️
I agree! I used to think I needed to call someone or have earbuds to I could listen to music, but now I bring my phone in my pocket (in case I need to call for a ride home!) and listen to the quiet stillness of dusk... I love it!1 -
PackerFanInGB wrote: »MadisonMolly2017 wrote: »
I'm not ready to give up my solitude and take anyone with me on my ventures. Those nature walks have a spiritual component that I wouldn't experience if I was talking to someone or even just walking with them. So I'll just take my chances...and my phone!
Thanks for the encouragement!
Sounds like a great plan @nebslp & I totally agree that solo nature explorations are quite different than with others. I notice so much more of nature when I am alone! Sounds like you have it all figured out! Walking 🚶♀️
I agree! I used to think I needed to call someone or have earbuds to I could listen to music, but now I bring my phone in my pocket (in case I need to call for a ride home!) and listen to the quiet stillness of dusk... I love it!
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I agree about the beauty of solitude, especially when out in nature! Thank goodness we have cell phones so that we can call if we get into trouble.
I've been sticking with my plan about grading essays first. I've already got 6 graded, and the essays were just submitted yesterday. I hope to get a couple more done today.4 -
Happy Saturday everyone! I'm logging on to be accountable for the fact that I am doing really terrible at this. I can't seem to stop drinking coffee early enough in the day to get in enough water! UGH.
So....every day is a beautiful brand new day, right? Here's to a successful day to all!
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@PackerFanInGB don't be too hard on yourself. Sometimes our goals need a little tweak so they aren't such a big change so fast. Like, you could say you will have AT LEAST 48 ounces, but NO MORE THAN 64 of water before having your coffee right now, and you will be successful at 48. Then increase the low number a few ounces a week until you reach 64 oz. or you decide some other number works for you. James Clear's last email message said that's how to make changes more sustainable and it really made sense to me. Just an idea. You'll get there!3
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I'm showing up to post as promised.@PackerFanInGB, you're an encouragement to be open here. I've been tracking everything and still pre-planning my menus (that's the good part). Two days I did not quite stick to the plan; not a binge or anything, just some small changes to the scheduled menu--I suppose some flexibility is needed but I need a clear boundary too. I find it hard when I am doing bulk cooking not to snitch or eat some of the food while it is fresh.
I've been trying to pre-plan a week ahead because we are having company all next week and I won't be able to be in the kitchen much, and that is even more difficult than doing it day by day. Everything will be out of the normal schedule, so I will have to be flexible (I'm not very, generally, if you couldn't guess), but I'm hoping that having a basic plan will keep me within my nutrition goals.
Speaking of company for a week, does anyone have ideas for fitting exercise in when your house is full of overnighters? (Literally--I think we have about 20 squished in multiple nights).
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PackerFanInGB wrote: »Happy Saturday everyone! I'm logging on to be accountable for the fact that I am doing really terrible at this. I can't seem to stop drinking coffee early enough in the day to get in enough water! UGH.
So....every day is a beautiful brand new day, right? Here's to a successful day to all!
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@PackerFanInGB
Do you know why you want the coffee more than water?
Heat/Warmth? Try hot water maybe with lemon every other cup of coffee?
Taste? Would decaf coffee work?
Habit?
Not feeling the change is important enough for habit change?
My notes from Nutrition class:
* You need 1 cup of water for ever 250 calories of food you eat a day.
* If you only drink water at meals, you will be dehydrated between meals.
* If not drinking enough in general —> less digestion & nutrient delivery. (Water is the medium for biochemical reactions in body.)
* Ideal times to drink water:
**** Drink 1-2 cups within 10 mins of awakening. He leaves glass by his bedside at night to drink in AM. We wake up dehydrated (if sleeping through the night.)
**** Drink water 1-2 hours after eating (peak digestion time)
He suggests drinking 4-12oz water prior to coffee/tea. “Drink at least the same amount of water as you are of other drink.”
For milk, juice don’t count towards water - actually they count 1/2.
I hope this helps.
He also said it’s best to sip /drink slowly over longer time. I tend to drink a cup or more at a time so I’m trying to carry water bottle with me & sip so my body can use the water better!
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You can do it!
Last thought: baby steps?
Sunday 1 oz water before coffee
Mon 2
Tues 3
Etc.
I love to figure out ways to “Trick my Brain” into being healthier!
Cheers!!
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