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What boggles my mind is the fact that people quote "IIFYM" as a reason to eat junk. Take a step back and think about who sets your macros?!? The Pope? George Clooney??
No- you do! It's the ultimate cop-out. You set your own macros to be whatever you want it to be, so of course you can find a way to finagle pizza and pop in to it. To me saying, "whatever, IIFYM" is like saying that you aren't a free-thinking being who has the option to make decisions and set your macros to a ratio that won't give you diabetes.
Technically cigarettes fit in to my macros, that doesn't mean I shouldn't do my research, find out how they affect my health and make an educated decision on whether or not cigarettes are fit for consumption (even if they don't really affect my protein, carb or fat intake each day)
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Totally agree except on one point... it is soda, not pop. Make sure to keep that in mind for the future.
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I am reading another thread in which people are extolling the virtues of protein powder and I just want to shout out that if you're eating properly then there are no need for supplements, but I know it would fall on deaf ears.
The people who are super critical of paleo remind me of the people who are super critical of CrossFit. Since I do both I must be a terrible idiot.0 -
What boggles my mind is the fact that people quote "IIFYM" as a reason to eat junk. Take a step back and think about who sets your macros?!? The Pope? George Clooney??
No- you do! It's the ultimate cop-out. You set your own macros to be whatever you want it to be, so of course you can find a way to finagle pizza and pop in to it. To me saying, "whatever, IIFYM" is like saying that you aren't a free-thinking being who has the option to make decisions and set your macros to a ratio that won't give you diabetes.
Technically cigarettes fit in to my macros, that doesn't mean I shouldn't do my research, find out how they affect my health and make an educated decision on whether or not cigarettes are fit for consumption (even if they don't really affect my protein, carb or fat intake each day)
*Sigh*
Totally agree except on one point... it is soda, not pop. Make sure to keep that in mind for the future. :laugh:
Ha ha!
Can you hear my Canadian accent? :laugh:0 -
What boggles my mind is the fact that people quote "IIFYM" as a reason to eat junk. Take a step back and think about who sets your macros?!? The Pope? George Clooney??
No- you do! It's the ultimate cop-out. You set your own macros to be whatever you want it to be, so of course you can find a way to finagle pizza and pop in to it. To me saying, "whatever, IIFYM" is like saying that you aren't a free-thinking being who has the option to make decisions and set your macros to a ratio that won't give you diabetes.
Technically cigarettes fit in to my macros, that doesn't mean I shouldn't do my research, find out how they affect my health and make an educated decision on whether or not cigarettes are fit for consumption (even if they don't really affect my protein, carb or fat intake each day)
*Sigh*
Totally agree except on one point... it is soda, not pop. Make sure to keep that in mind for the future. :laugh:
Ha ha!
Can you hear my Canadian accent? :laugh:
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While I totally agree with the above, it makes me giggle to think of a Paleo lifestyle as "new". Eating whole foods as provided by nature (I know our whole foods are different these days than what my ancestors were eating) is the oldest human diet around. However, the was the label is sometimes used definitely causes confusion. We are going to see more and more processed foods coming out labelled "Paleo" as a marketing strategy. Everybody seems to be picking apart the stupid little details instead of grasping the simplicity of the Paleo concept as a whole.
Yep. I really think we need a new name for it, if for no other reason than to find one better embodies the whole foods, non-processed aspect of it (though I wish we didn't need it, because we didn't used to need it, it was just how people ate). That's actually why I generally refer to the family of ways of eating currently known as "Paleo" more as "whole foods based diets" or something similar. I've found it helps avoid attracting Paleo-bashers and keeps the focus on the primary part that matters -- whole foods.
And yeah, it is funny that it's often seen as a "new" thing, when it's the oldest way of eating for our species. Unfortunately, we as a species have systematically removed ourselves from our natural roots, so "how people eat" is no longer even remotely in line with what Paleo is trying to get back to and how most of us as a species used to eat.
Although, for me, "paleo" has worked as a kind of short-hand. Maybe you'd call it a recognition sign, like a club's secret handshake or code word. I'll be filling my cart at the grocery, and someone will look at what I have, raise an eyebrow, and say, "Paleo?" (I'm usually too focused on remembering my shopping list to be looking at other people's carts, but for some reason other people look at mine...) And then we fall to discussing what a difference this lifestyle has made in curing or at least helping various ills, and what our favorite recipes might be, etc. Or the butcher at our local whole foods store (not Whole Foods but another similar chain) will see me standing and waiting for service and call out, "Hey, how's the Paleo going?" and someone passing by will stop and say, "Paleo? I've been doing paleo too for the past xx months and..."
p.s. I ate a "whole foods" diet back in college and in the years immediately following college. Anyone here remember "Diet for a Small Planet"? I was able to keep my weight under control through a combination of "whole food" (I ate brown rice instead of white, bought everything I could "organic", even baked my own whole-grain bread, and I was working full time and going to school at night), running six miles a day, and bulimia. I may have been somewhat healthier than I would have been, eating pre-packaged junk, but I still struggled to maintain my weight -- and it was critical for my job at the time (the military has weight standards, and you really don't want to be over the limit...). The vegetarian "Diet for a Small Planet" whole-foods approach just wasn't quite the whole-foods approach that my body needed.
p.p.s. Isn't it funny that some paleo gurus are saying that white rice is healthier than brown rice, if you *do* eat rice? Something to do with the phytates, I think.0 -
Agree with everyone who commented Paleo needs a new name. So many people get caught up with "what a caveman would eat" that they don't see the bigger picture. I recently went to some friends house for the day (including bbq picnic and campfire). I had no worries whatsoever about going. They apologized that the grilled pork wasn't grassfed, but then offered me chocolate and smores. HUH??? I was happily fed that day with grilled pork, veggies, and the bowl of organic mixed fruit I brought. I was more happy with the stars than the smores and the company than the food. But the misconceptions were huge. Just a short list:
1. You shouldn't eat meat if it isn't grassfed.
2. Chocolate and grains are fine though.
3. Alcohol is healthy.
4. You shouldn't eat tropical fruits like papaya because cavemen wouldn't have those.
5. It's too expensive to buy fruits and vegetables. (See my thread on Is Paleo Expensive?)
6. It's just too restrictive.0 -
Am really sad. Just looked at the "Introduce Yourself" threads and saw people seriously discussing gastric sleeves (including some scheduled for surgery and scared, but not able to lose weight any other way they've tried), and someone getting jumped on for discussing something called the Fat Fast which seems to be an introduction to Atkins. While "Fat Fast" sounds like a fad diet (rigid rules: 1000 calories a day, 200-cal meals, 90% fat), it still sounds way healthier to me than surgical intervention.
Sorry if I sound judgmental. I remember those days, feeling like nothing worked and willing to try almost anything to lose weight.
Anyhow, I do lurk in the other boards sometimes (usually the "Success Stories" because the photos are inspiring), but for the most part I hang out here.0 -
I tend to be fairly quiet overall, but this is the board I look to for inspiration and ideas. I'm doing the AI protocol, and I swear I'm eating more vegetables than I ever did as a vegetarian. I think that's another misconception about Paleo--that it's all meat 24/7. When I was vegetarian I ate a lot of wheat and rice (and, well, cookies . . .
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I tend to be fairly quiet overall, but this is the board I look to for inspiration and ideas. I'm doing the AI protocol, and I swear I'm eating more vegetables than I ever did as a vegetarian. I think that's another misconception about Paleo--that it's all meat 24/7. When I was vegetarian I ate a lot of wheat and rice (and, well, cookies . . .
You're right! That was an early misconception I had. I'm eating way more veggies than I did. Even when I was a vegetarian (and when I wasn't), I was filling up on grains...0 -
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Why?!?! WHy did I go read that thread. It makes my brain hurt.0
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Same here - lost it after the first few posts. Very closed mind.0
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My favorite "anti-paleo" argument is always the lifespan/expectancy thing. Yeah, human life expectancy JUMPED not at the introduction of grains but at the point where we began to understand germs and how to prevent infection. It then increased dramtically in the early 1900s with the dawn of antibiotics. The increased life expectancy is directly related to knowledge about medicine and infection. The other factor is the reductionin the infant mortality rate. If 50% of live births ended in death by 6 months of age then that greatly reduces the overall life expectancy. Even if people that survived infancy and early childhood lived to be 100+, the average life span would be 45-50 because of the number of deaths in infancy and childhood.0
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I'm often surprised what's allowed (given the no trolling, no threadjacking, no flame baiting, no attacking, no insulting rules). sigh.
We recently got asked to nominate a new mod. I said: someone who's NOT iifym but is focused on eating nutritious foods and will encourage others as they ask questions about how to do so.
Hope fully not one more "wash your foods to make them "clean"" poster....0 -
I'm often surprised what's allowed (given the no trolling, no threadjacking, no flame baiting, no attacking, no insulting rules). sigh.
We recently got asked to nominate a new mod. I said: someone who's NOT iifym but is focused on eating nutritious foods and will encourage others as they ask questions about how to do so.
Hope fully not one more "wash your foods to make them "clean"" poster....
THe IIFYM people drive me nuts because that just simply didn't work for me. When I explain why I am always told that I am either lying about my logging, I didn't do it right or I was not exercising as much as I said I exercised. I was on a very strict program and my career depended on me losing weight. I wasn't flubbing anything. I didn't lose weight following the food pyramid or my plate. I did following a paleo template...at the same are nearly the same macros. Some people are like gasoline engines and others are diesel. They need to proper type of fuel to function properly.0 -
Just wanted to say thank you for posting this! I honestly thought i was missing something after reading the paleo thread in the main forums. thank you for this thread!0
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Thankfully I've been too busy to be online the last couple weeks. On the other hand, it means I haven't been able to log food or read this board, either.
Howdy, all. Missing you! Hope to be back on a daily basis once this house sells and we find another to buy (and get moved in, probably). I hate the idea of moving. Ah, well. Such is life.0 -
While I totally agree with the above, it makes me giggle to think of a Paleo lifestyle as "new". Eating whole foods as provided by nature (I know our whole foods are different these days than what my ancestors were eating) is the oldest human diet around. However, the way the label is sometimes used definitely causes confusion. We are going to see more and more processed foods coming out labelled "Paleo" as a marketing strategy. Everybody seems to be picking apart the stupid little details instead of grasping the simplicity of the Paleo concept as a whole.
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I know this comment is from a couple months ago, but it pushed my buttons. I HATE it when I run across "paleo" labeled snack foods. You know, the ones with the flashy labels that look like all the other snack foods. And then if you go so far as to read the labels, so many of them are not really paleo, but more mock-popular-paleo...
Mass production and paleo are very uncomfortable bedfellows, IMO.0 -
And it keeps going! And keeps going with the fallacies and blatant misinformation!
Also, I get a kick out of the idea that it's a "fad diet" both because it doesn't have a set list of things you should/shouldn't eat, and because it cuts things out. How do you both have a list of things and don't have a list of things?
Heaven forbid you follow a dietary framework and *gasp!* have to use your brain and make conscious decisions about what you eat.0 -
And it keeps going! And keeps going with the fallacies and blatant misinformation!
Also, I get a kick out of the idea that it's a "fad diet" both because it doesn't have a set list of things you should/shouldn't eat, and because it cuts things out. How do you both have a list of things and don't have a list of things?
Heaven forbid you follow a dietary framework and *gasp!* have to use your brain and make conscious decisions about what you eat.
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Im baffled when paleo, south beach, and clean eating (for example) are lumped in with cabbage soup diet type approaches as "fads". When you look at what paleo, south beach (even DASH) etc are they are FOOD. REAL FOOD.
And it keeps going! And keeps going with the fallacies and blatant misinformation!
Also, I get a kick out of the idea that it's a "fad diet" both because it doesn't have a set list of things you should/shouldn't eat, and because it cuts things out. How do you both have a list of things and don't have a list of things?
Heaven forbid you follow a dietary framework and *gasp!* have to use your brain and make conscious decisions about what you eat.0 -
What I have noticed is there is an epidemic on the internet of poor reading comprehension. People read what they want to and make their judgement based on their assumptions. You just can't reason with them or use logic, so I stopped trying.0
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I was very glad to see Mods chime in on yesterday's dog pile on the poor soul who asked about clean eating. It's a start! Hope it bodes well for the future.0
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I am new here and when I started going through the main threads, my head hurt. I am so glad to have found this group.0
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My favorite quote of the day "You do realize that your body doesn't care if sugar is from an apple or a cookie, right" ~ this in response to someone asking for advice on cutting white sugar out of their diet. The sad thing is I didn't say anything because I've learned to keep my mouth shut on those boards because of all the negativity. If I were just starting on myfitnesspal and got the crap kind of responses she got I'd be very discouraged. At least there's a few good people on the boards who try to help, everyone else jumps on the hatewagon.0
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Thank goodness I have found you guys. I have been on the main forum for the past few days and honestly the nastiness and mean comments really get you down after a while. I am open minded when it comes to people's eating choices but this "eat what you like as long as you stay within your daily calories allowance" approach is hard to believe. No wonder so many of these people are so unwell.
I have been on the edges of Paleo/Primal for years and follow an 80/20 approach. (Slack I know, sorry!!:embarassed: ) However, when you have friends and family who don't believe in the same thing, it becomes difficult in social situations so I compromise.
I try to listen to my body and at the moment it is saying that my 80/20 balance is out of whack and it is time to cut the wheat and sugar and start practising what I believe in and I believe in a Paleo lifestyle.0 -
I wouldn't necessarily call it slack. The 80/20 thing helps to keep me from throwing out the whole thing if I happen to stray from primal/paleo guidelines. I try for 100% most of the time but it's nice to be able to have a bowl of ice cream with the rest of the family on a really hot day. The good stuff, of course, where you can pronounce all the ingredients...Thank goodness I have found you guys. I have been on the main forum for the past few days and honestly the nastiness and mean comments really get you down after a while. I am open minded when it comes to people's eating choices but this "eat what you like as long as you stay within your daily calories allowance" approach is hard to believe. No wonder so many of these people are so unwell.
I have been on the edges of Paleo/Primal for years and follow an 80/20 approach. (Slack I know, sorry!!:embarassed: ) However, when you have friends and family who don't believe in the same thing, it becomes difficult in social situations so I compromise.
I try to listen to my body and at the moment it is saying that my 80/20 balance is out of whack and it is time to cut the wheat and sugar and start practising what I believe in and I believe in a Paleo lifestyle.0 -
Sigh. I did it again. Why?!?!?! Please, stop me!0
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Don't torture youself! Now that I have a lifestyle that is even more culturally unacceptable than Paleo (I wouldn't have thought that possible) I'm just going to avoid the general forums completely. Even in more like-minded FB groups, I have gotten very good at not letting curiousity get to me. For instance if I posted something and a known moron (in my opinion) posts a comment or even addresses me specifically, I just delete the notification and refrain for looking at the comment. I'm happier that way. The OP can take or leave my opinion and I don't need to try to have the last word. It's futile to fight stupid and arrogant.0
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