Prostitution
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i honestly think bible bashers who want to make laws for other people about innocuous everyday things regarding sex and peoples rights over their own body, are harmful to society as a whole0
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This is a debate group, so I'm giving my opinion here. My opinion is that prostitution, pornography, strip clubs can be harmful to people, and to a society if not controlled. I'm not saying that everyone who engages in these things is a sexual deviant, but it can easily be argued that these things contribute to sexual deviance.
Yes, you are giving your opinion. That is fine. I gave my opinion about your opinion.
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I disagree with you. Porn, strip clubs and the like for the most part, do not harm anyone. I'm female and I've watched porn both alone and with my SO, and he has taken me to (female) strip clubs. I enjoy going to the strip clubs-- they're fun. If you don't want any part in it that is fine, but it should not mean that other people should not go. I mean, yes some people get addicted-- but people can get addicted to anything, and those addictions also ruin people's lives (some women get addicted to shopping so much that it destroys their lives, for example). So lets outlaw everything!!
Just an example-- I do not like alcohol. I'll be 35 in January and I've never had a drop of alcohol. But I'm don't think alcohol should be illegal. I understand it has a place in our society. Just because I have an extreme dislike for it, doesn't mean I have to ruin it for everyone.
I understand what you're saying, and I get your point about making everything illegal because it can be addicting. That does sound unreasonable and extreme.
I will also grant that my comments come from ignorance, as well. I don't know what strip clubs or like or what it's like to sit and watch porn, so I shouldn't make sweeping statements. My opinion comes from my limited knowledge of these things, like hearing the horror stories of young girls stripping because they need money, or pimps beating up their prostitutes, the porn industry spreading sexually transmitted diseases, and things like that. It makes me sad that anyone feels the need to sell their body for sex, be it turning tricks, stripping, or adult film industry. It just makes me sad for those people and it makes me concerned about the people who do become addicted or sexual deviants.0 -
i honestly think bible bashers who want to make laws for other people about innocuous everyday things regarding sex and peoples rights over their own body, are harmful to society as a whole
Bible bashers or bible thumpers? I'm not sure I understand your point. Someone needs to speak up on sexual morality, and I'm not a bible thumper at all. I will stand on my convictions, though.0 -
I should have added more to my original post. I do not think prostitution should be legal, but I don't think porn, strip clubs, or anything else along those lines should be legal. I realize it's the "oldest profession", but I'm still opposed to legalizing it. I understand many people have the philosophy of "live and let live" or "to each his own", but I don't subscribe to that, especially when I believe it's harmful to someone or to a society.
It's funny when I read some of my comments on here, I come across as such a prude or religious fanatic, when I'm really not (you'd have to know me IRL to understand that).
No strip clubs or porn that would be a sad sad day for me lol
I thought of you when I typed that!!! You know that's not a direct jab at you personally, Jeanette! :flowerforyou:0 -
Just remember though, what is deemed sexually moral by some may or may not be deemed sexually moral by another. I see absolutely nothing wrong with my SO and I popping in a porn DVD every now and again, or us going to a strip clubs. Again, it may not be how you choose your life, but we choose to do so. To us it isn't immoral. To you it is.0
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I disagree with you. Porn, strip clubs and the like for the most part, do not harm anyone. I'm female and I've watched porn both alone and with my SO, and he has taken me to (female) strip clubs. I enjoy going to the strip clubs-- they're fun. If you don't want any part in it that is fine, but it should not mean that other people should not go. I mean, yes some people get addicted-- but people can get addicted to anything, and those addictions also ruin people's lives (some women get addicted to shopping so much that it destroys their lives, for example). So lets outlaw everything!!
Just an example-- I do not like alcohol. I'll be 35 in January and I've never had a drop of alcohol. But I'm don't think alcohol should be illegal. I understand it has a place in our society. Just because I have an extreme dislike for it, doesn't mean I have to ruin it for everyone.
I understand what you're saying, and I get your point about making everything illegal because it can be addicting. That does sound unreasonable and extreme.
I will also grant that my comments come from ignorance, as well. I don't know what strip clubs or like or what it's like to sit and watch porn, so I shouldn't make sweeping statements. My opinion comes from my limited knowledge of these things, like hearing the horror stories of young girls stripping because they need money, or pimps beating up their prostitutes, the porn industry spreading sexually transmitted diseases, and things like that. It makes me sad that anyone feels the need to sell their body for sex, be it turning tricks, stripping, or adult film industry. It just makes me sad for those people and it makes me concerned about the people who do become addicted or sexual deviants.
I know alot about this so I can help you out,in the 80s there was a wave of stds that swept through the porn world.Now everything is very heavily regulated the actors are tested and tested often.If there is a positive test they are black balled. I used to work in a strip club (not as a stripper) the girls were almost all happy healthy smart girls with good heads on their sholders I never met one that felt forced into it. As for the pimp thing that would not happen if prostution was legal. Look up the statistics in for the legal brothels in NV it just does not happen.
Most of the strippers I knew all felt impowered by it.0 -
Just remember though, what is deemed sexually moral by some may or may not be deemed sexually moral by another. I see absolutely nothing wrong with my SO and I popping in a porn DVD every now and again, or us going to a strip clubs. Again, it may not be how you choose your life, but we choose to do so. To us it isn't immoral. To you it is.
I understand moral objectivity. I'll just stick to my original comment that I don't think prostitution should be legal.0 -
Just remember though, what is deemed sexually moral by some may or may not be deemed sexually moral by another. I see absolutely nothing wrong with my SO and I popping in a porn DVD every now and again, or us going to a strip clubs. Again, it may not be how you choose your life, but we choose to do so. To us it isn't immoral. To you it is.
I understand moral objectivity. I'll just stick to my original comment that I don't think prostitution should be legal.
Its worked really well in NV,the brothels give them a safe place to do something they would be doing anyways0 -
I know alot about this so I can help you out,in the 80s there was a wave of stds that swept through the porn world.Now everything is very heavily regulated the actors are tested and tested often.If there is a positive test they are black balled. I used to work in a strip club (not as a stripper) the girls were almost all happy healthy smart girls with good heads on their sholders I never met one that felt forced into it. As for the pimp thing that would not happen if prostution was legal. Look up the statistics in for the legal brothels in NV it just does not happen.
Most of the strippers I knew all felt impowered by it.
Told you my knowledge was limited!
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I disagree with you. Porn, strip clubs and the like for the most part, do not harm anyone. I'm female and I've watched porn both alone and with my SO, and he has taken me to (female) strip clubs. I enjoy going to the strip clubs-- they're fun. If you don't want any part in it that is fine, but it should not mean that other people should not go. I mean, yes some people get addicted-- but people can get addicted to anything, and those addictions also ruin people's lives (some women get addicted to shopping so much that it destroys their lives, for example). So lets outlaw everything!!
Just an example-- I do not like alcohol. I'll be 35 in January and I've never had a drop of alcohol. But I'm don't think alcohol should be illegal. I understand it has a place in our society. Just because I have an extreme dislike for it, doesn't mean I have to ruin it for everyone.
I understand what you're saying, and I get your point about making everything illegal because it can be addicting. That does sound unreasonable and extreme.
I will also grant that my comments come from ignorance, as well. I don't know what strip clubs or like or what it's like to sit and watch porn, so I shouldn't make sweeping statements. My opinion comes from my limited knowledge of these things, like hearing the horror stories of young girls stripping because they need money, or pimps beating up their prostitutes, the porn industry spreading sexually transmitted diseases, and things like that. It makes me sad that anyone feels the need to sell their body for sex, be it turning tricks, stripping, or adult film industry. It just makes me sad for those people and it makes me concerned about the people who do become addicted or sexual deviants.
I know alot about this so I can help you out,in the 80s there was a wave of stds that swept through the porn world.Now everything is very heavily regulated the actors are tested and tested often.If there is a positive test they are black balled. I used to work in a strip club (not as a stripper) the girls were almost all happy healthy smart girls with good heads on their sholders I never met one that felt forced into it. As for the pimp thing that would not happen if prostution was legal. Look up the statistics in for the legal brothels in NV it just does not happen.
Most of the strippers I knew all felt impowered by it.
Told you my knowledge was limited!
Ive worked on the fringes of adult entertainment from running a porn shop to phone sex and was briefly a web cam girl. I never felt degraded by it,but I will admit it was very hard to control my laughter sometimes in when I was doing the phone sex0 -
You make one woman laugh on a sex line and they never forgetI disagree with you. Porn, strip clubs and the like for the most part, do not harm anyone. I'm female and I've watched porn both alone and with my SO, and he has taken me to (female) strip clubs. I enjoy going to the strip clubs-- they're fun. If you don't want any part in it that is fine, but it should not mean that other people should not go. I mean, yes some people get addicted-- but people can get addicted to anything, and those addictions also ruin people's lives (some women get addicted to shopping so much that it destroys their lives, for example). So lets outlaw everything!!
Just an example-- I do not like alcohol. I'll be 35 in January and I've never had a drop of alcohol. But I'm don't think alcohol should be illegal. I understand it has a place in our society. Just because I have an extreme dislike for it, doesn't mean I have to ruin it for everyone.
I understand what you're saying, and I get your point about making everything illegal because it can be addicting. That does sound unreasonable and extreme.
I will also grant that my comments come from ignorance, as well. I don't know what strip clubs or like or what it's like to sit and watch porn, so I shouldn't make sweeping statements. My opinion comes from my limited knowledge of these things, like hearing the horror stories of young girls stripping because they need money, or pimps beating up their prostitutes, the porn industry spreading sexually transmitted diseases, and things like that. It makes me sad that anyone feels the need to sell their body for sex, be it turning tricks, stripping, or adult film industry. It just makes me sad for those people and it makes me concerned about the people who do become addicted or sexual deviants.
I know alot about this so I can help you out,in the 80s there was a wave of stds that swept through the porn world.Now everything is very heavily regulated the actors are tested and tested often.If there is a positive test they are black balled. I used to work in a strip club (not as a stripper) the girls were almost all happy healthy smart girls with good heads on their sholders I never met one that felt forced into it. As for the pimp thing that would not happen if prostution was legal. Look up the statistics in for the legal brothels in NV it just does not happen.
Most of the strippers I knew all felt impowered by it.
Told you my knowledge was limited!
Ive worked on the fringes of adult entertainment from running a porn shop to phone sex and was briefly a web cam girl. I never felt degraded by it,but I will admit it was very hard to control my laughter sometimes in when I was doing the phone sex0 -
Its worked really well in NV,the brothels give them a safe place to do something they would be doing anyways
This statement brings up another question. To what degree do we just allow things to be legal because people are going to do them anyway (there were several other discussions this week about similar things). We know people are going to buy, sell, use illegal drugs and can often get themselves in precarious situations when doing so, so should we just make it legal? We know that teenagers are going to drink alcohol, so should we just make that legal? We know kids as young as 10 are smoking cigarettes, so should we just allow anyone to buy tobacco products? We know people will be buying and selling their bodies for sex, so should we make it legal? We know people are going to talk and text while driving. We know people will drive under the influence, etc I agree that the danger in some of these things is that they are illegal. If legal, would they still be dangerous? Where do we draw the line?0 -
Ive worked on the fringes of adult entertainment from running a porn shop to phone sex and was briefly a web cam girl. I never felt degraded by it,but I will admit it was very hard to control my laughter sometimes in when I was doing the phone sex
I had a really good friend (she died a few years ago at 29) who worked in phone sex! She thought it was hilarious and shared lots of funny stories. I don't think she ever felt degraded, either. She didn't have the same moral compass I did because we grew up in very different types of homes. I never tried to make her feel ashamed for what she did; that's not what I'm about. I do realize that some women feel empowered by being able to control men with their bodies!0 -
Its worked really well in NV,the brothels give them a safe place to do something they would be doing anyways
This statement brings up another question. To what degree do we just allow things to be legal because people are going to do them anyway (there were several other discussions this week about similar things). We know people are going to buy, sell, use illegal drugs and can often get themselves in precarious situations when doing so, so should we just make it legal? We know that teenagers are going to drink alcohol, so should we just make that legal? We know kids as young as 10 are smoking cigarettes, so should we just allow anyone to buy tobacco products? We know people will be buying and selling their bodies for sex, so should we make it legal? We know people are going to talk and text while driving. We know people will drive under the influence, etc I agree that the danger in some of these things is that they are illegal. If legal, would they still be dangerous? Where do we draw the line?
I dont belive prostotution is dangerous once you make it legal,drugs alchohal all that is dangerous kills people all the time. Prostotution has been legal in NV for along time and no one has yet to die from it. Drugs drinking,texting while driving are totally diffrent things0 -
Ive worked on the fringes of adult entertainment from running a porn shop to phone sex and was briefly a web cam girl. I never felt degraded by it,but I will admit it was very hard to control my laughter sometimes in when I was doing the phone sex
I had a really good friend (she died a few years ago at 29) who worked in phone sex! She thought it was hilarious and shared lots of funny stories. I don't think she ever felt degraded, either. She didn't have the same moral compass I did because we grew up in very different types of homes. I never tried to make her feel ashamed for what she did; that's not what I'm about. I do realize that some women feel empowered by being able to control men with their bodies!
I used to have some guy that would call and ask if i was wearing shoes,when I would say no he would yell TICKLE TICKLE TICKLE and then hang up on me0 -
This statement brings up another question. To what degree do we just allow things to be legal because people are going to do them anyway (there were several other discussions this week about similar things). We know people are going to buy, sell, use illegal drugs and can often get themselves in precarious situations when doing so, so should we just make it legal? We know that teenagers are going to drink alcohol, so should we just make that legal? We know kids as young as 10 are smoking cigarettes, so should we just allow anyone to buy tobacco products? We know people will be buying and selling their bodies for sex, so should we make it legal? We know people are going to talk and text while driving. We know people will drive under the influence, etc I agree that the danger in some of these things is that they are illegal. If legal, would they still be dangerous? Where do we draw the line?
I dont belive prostotution is dangerous once you make it legal,drugs alchohal all that is dangerous kills people all the time. Prostotution has been legal in NV for along time and no one has yet to die from it. Drugs drinking,texting why driving are totally diffrent things
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Does prostitution lead to a dangerous lifestyle, though? Even when legal? So, no prostitute in Nevada has been murdered since it's been legal? (no sarcasm here. I really don't know; so I'm asking)0 -
I used to have some guy that would call and ask if i was wearing shoes,when I would say no he would yell TICKLE TICKLE TICKLE and then hang up on me
Ha! She'd get weird crap like that all the time!0 -
This statement brings up another question. To what degree do we just allow things to be legal because people are going to do them anyway (there were several other discussions this week about similar things). We know people are going to buy, sell, use illegal drugs and can often get themselves in precarious situations when doing so, so should we just make it legal? We know that teenagers are going to drink alcohol, so should we just make that legal? We know kids as young as 10 are smoking cigarettes, so should we just allow anyone to buy tobacco products? We know people will be buying and selling their bodies for sex, so should we make it legal? We know people are going to talk and text while driving. We know people will drive under the influence, etc I agree that the danger in some of these things is that they are illegal. If legal, would they still be dangerous? Where do we draw the line?
I dont belive prostotution is dangerous once you make it legal,drugs alchohal all that is dangerous kills people all the time. Prostotution has been legal in NV for along time and no one has yet to die from it. Drugs drinking,texting why driving are totally diffrent things
Does prostitution lead to a dangerous lifestyle, though? Even when legal? So, no prostitute in Nevada has been murdered since it's been legal? (no sarcasm here. I really don't know; so I'm asking)
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I cant speak for the ones in the las vegas area because it is still illegal there,but as far as I know none has been murdered while on the job,or by a client.And even if one was murdered by a psyco client that could happen in any job. But no the girls that work in the legal brothels do not get beat up,raped or any of that.unlike the street prostitutes in vegas that get beat up by pimps or johns because they are doing it on the street and since its illegal there is no where to turn for help.0 -
When I woked at dennys in vegas one of the other watriess had a regular who became fixated on her,she was murdered by him when he followed her home from work.So it could happen to the brothel girls to but i have never heard of it happening or if it does it happens about as much as it does to anyone else who gains a stalker0
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When I woked at dennys in vegas one of the other watriess had a regular who became fixated on her,she was murdered by him when he followed her home from work.So it could happen to the brothel girls to but i have never heard of it happening or if it does it happens about as much as it does to anyone else who gains a stalker
Stories like that break my heart (and I realize it's not specific to prostitutes).0 -
Nevada law requires that registered brothel prostitutes be tested weekly (by a cervical specimen) for gonorrhea and Chlamydia trachomatis, and monthly for HIV and syphilis;[23] furthermore, condoms are mandatory for all oral sex and sexual intercourse. Brothel owners may be held liable if customers become infected with HIV after a prostitute has tested positive for the virus.
Nevada has laws against engaging in prostitution outside of licensed brothels, against encouraging others to become prostitutes, and against living off the proceeds of a prostitute.
Since 1986, when mandatory testing began, not a single full-time brothel prostitute has tested positive for HIV0 -
Nevada law requires that registered brothel prostitutes be tested weekly (by a cervical specimen) for gonorrhea and Chlamydia trachomatis, and monthly for HIV and syphilis;[23] furthermore, condoms are mandatory for all oral sex and sexual intercourse. Brothel owners may be held liable if customers become infected with HIV after a prostitute has tested positive for the virus.
Nevada has laws against engaging in prostitution outside of licensed brothels, against encouraging others to become prostitutes, and against living off the proceeds of a prostitute.
Since 1986, when mandatory testing began, not a single full-time brothel prostitute has tested positive for HIV
So, then it's fair to say that prostitution in brothels is safer than prostitution on the streets, but even if it's made legal, wouldn't the street walkers still have the same dangers? Or are we talking about all of them working out of brothels if it's made legal?0 -
Nevada law requires that registered brothel prostitutes be tested weekly (by a cervical specimen) for gonorrhea and Chlamydia trachomatis, and monthly for HIV and syphilis;[23] furthermore, condoms are mandatory for all oral sex and sexual intercourse. Brothel owners may be held liable if customers become infected with HIV after a prostitute has tested positive for the virus.
Nevada has laws against engaging in prostitution outside of licensed brothels, against encouraging others to become prostitutes, and against living off the proceeds of a prostitute.
Since 1986, when mandatory testing began, not a single full-time brothel prostitute has tested positive for HIV
So, then it's fair to say that prostitution in brothels is safer than prostitution on the streets, but even if it's made legal, wouldn't the street walkers still have the same dangers? Or are we talking about all of them working out of brothels if it's made legal?
There will always be the ones that work the streets,those that can not get in at a brothel due to health or drug issues,that will never change.But I think it would lessen it and give a safer place for both the girls an the men.I actually think they should make brothels legal and keep streetwalking illegal0 -
Nevada law requires that registered brothel prostitutes be tested weekly (by a cervical specimen) for gonorrhea and Chlamydia trachomatis, and monthly for HIV and syphilis;[23] furthermore, condoms are mandatory for all oral sex and sexual intercourse. Brothel owners may be held liable if customers become infected with HIV after a prostitute has tested positive for the virus.
Nevada has laws against engaging in prostitution outside of licensed brothels, against encouraging others to become prostitutes, and against living off the proceeds of a prostitute.
Since 1986, when mandatory testing began, not a single full-time brothel prostitute has tested positive for HIV
So, then it's fair to say that prostitution in brothels is safer than prostitution on the streets, but even if it's made legal, wouldn't the street walkers still have the same dangers? Or are we talking about all of them working out of brothels if it's made legal?
It's a weak comparison, but people buy from kids in bake sales and lemonade stands, even though that food isn't regulated for safety, their set-up isn't inspected, etc. No one interferes with them. Personally, if someone wants to do it in the backseat of a car vs. a brothel, that's their business. If it were regulated and legal, though, I can see the GOVERNMENT having an issue of that.
I personally do not like strip clubs, porn, or prostitution, but if it isn't hurting anyone, then there's no reason for it to be illegal. And I'm curious to know what you think makes someone a sexual deviant.0 -
well. my mom get held at gun point when she worked in a gas station because she refused to let a customer (who claimed to be Jesus) pay with cocaine. we can't get rid of dangers in any profession but at the brothels, there's security, along with all the other girls who work there, metal detectors (in some) and they are exponentially safer.This statement brings up another question. To what degree do we just allow things to be legal because people are going to do them anyway (there were several other discussions this week about similar things). We know people are going to buy, sell, use illegal drugs and can often get themselves in precarious situations when doing so, so should we just make it legal? We know that teenagers are going to drink alcohol, so should we just make that legal? We know kids as young as 10 are smoking cigarettes, so should we just allow anyone to buy tobacco products? We know people will be buying and selling their bodies for sex, so should we make it legal? We know people are going to talk and text while driving. We know people will drive under the influence, etc I agree that the danger in some of these things is that they are illegal. If legal, would they still be dangerous? Where do we draw the line?
I dont belive prostotution is dangerous once you make it legal,drugs alchohal all that is dangerous kills people all the time. Prostotution has been legal in NV for along time and no one has yet to die from it. Drugs drinking,texting why driving are totally diffrent things
Does prostitution lead to a dangerous lifestyle, though? Even when legal? So, no prostitute in Nevada has been murdered since it's been legal? (no sarcasm here. I really don't know; so I'm asking)
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well. my mom get held at gun point when she worked in a gas station because she refused to let a customer (who claimed to be Jesus) pay with cocaine. we can't get rid of dangers in any profession but at the brothels, there's security, along with all the other girls who work there, metal detectors (in some) and they are exponentially safer.This statement brings up another question. To what degree do we just allow things to be legal because people are going to do them anyway (there were several other discussions this week about similar things). We know people are going to buy, sell, use illegal drugs and can often get themselves in precarious situations when doing so, so should we just make it legal? We know that teenagers are going to drink alcohol, so should we just make that legal? We know kids as young as 10 are smoking cigarettes, so should we just allow anyone to buy tobacco products? We know people will be buying and selling their bodies for sex, so should we make it legal? We know people are going to talk and text while driving. We know people will drive under the influence, etc I agree that the danger in some of these things is that they are illegal. If legal, would they still be dangerous? Where do we draw the line?
I dont belive prostotution is dangerous once you make it legal,drugs alchohal all that is dangerous kills people all the time. Prostotution has been legal in NV for along time and no one has yet to die from it. Drugs drinking,texting why driving are totally diffrent things
Does prostitution lead to a dangerous lifestyle, though? Even when legal? So, no prostitute in Nevada has been murdered since it's been legal? (no sarcasm here. I really don't know; so I'm asking)
I cant say 100% never,but not as far as I know. Im sure it could happen just as it could happen anywhere0 -
well. my mom get held at gun point when she worked in a gas station because she refused to let a customer (who claimed to be Jesus) pay with cocaine. we can't get rid of dangers in any profession but at the brothels, there's security, along with all the other girls who work there, metal detectors (in some) and they are exponentially safer.This statement brings up another question. To what degree do we just allow things to be legal because people are going to do them anyway (there were several other discussions this week about similar things). We know people are going to buy, sell, use illegal drugs and can often get themselves in precarious situations when doing so, so should we just make it legal? We know that teenagers are going to drink alcohol, so should we just make that legal? We know kids as young as 10 are smoking cigarettes, so should we just allow anyone to buy tobacco products? We know people will be buying and selling their bodies for sex, so should we make it legal? We know people are going to talk and text while driving. We know people will drive under the influence, etc I agree that the danger in some of these things is that they are illegal. If legal, would they still be dangerous? Where do we draw the line?
I dont belive prostotution is dangerous once you make it legal,drugs alchohal all that is dangerous kills people all the time. Prostotution has been legal in NV for along time and no one has yet to die from it. Drugs drinking,texting why driving are totally diffrent things
Does prostitution lead to a dangerous lifestyle, though? Even when legal? So, no prostitute in Nevada has been murdered since it's been legal? (no sarcasm here. I really don't know; so I'm asking)
I cant say 100% never,but not as far as I know. Im sure it could happen just as it could happen anywhere
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I'm not sure how, but my post got mixed in with the post I was quoting... mine is only until the sentence starting with "does prostitution lead to..."0 -
Prostitution is already legal in the US. Its called a Brothel. They're legal in some states. Prostitution has been legal in most of Europe for decades now. Its a profession, you need a license for it. Your also required to get tested for STD's regularly.0
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