Prostitution
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I should have added more to my original post. I do not think prostitution should be legal, but I don't think porn, strip clubs, or anything else along those lines should be legal. I realize it's the "oldest profession", but I'm still opposed to legalizing it. I understand many people have the philosophy of "live and let live" or "to each his own", but I don't subscribe to that, especially when I believe it's harmful to someone or to a society.
Can I ask why you don't think pornography or strip clubs should be legal? I guess I'm curious because a world without either is not a world I want to live in, haha.
Why does society have such a stigma against sex?0 -
I should have added more to my original post. I do not think prostitution should be legal, but I don't think porn, strip clubs, or anything else along those lines should be legal. I realize it's the "oldest profession", but I'm still opposed to legalizing it. I understand many people have the philosophy of "live and let live" or "to each his own", but I don't subscribe to that, especially when I believe it's harmful to someone or to a society.
Can I ask why you don't think pornography or strip clubs should be legal? I guess I'm curious because a world without either is not a world I want to live in, haha.
Why does society have such a stigma against sex?
because sex is fun and we're not supposed to have fun! we're supposed to live a life like in George Orwell's 1984!0 -
Why does society have such a stigma against sex?
I know a vast majority of my female friends are very jealous, petty women, who basically can't see past their own insecurities, so sexually explicit stuff = bad. Unless, of course, it's a naked guy...then it's okay.
I mean, look at movies...a guy can have his shirt off in a kid's movie...but topless women? Rated R.
I do know men who are very against sexually-explicit content and porn and stuff...mostly religious, and mostly hypocritical as can be.
I'd like to add that everything I just said is OPINION and/or from personal experience...not saying that's how all women/men are.
Just throwing it out there. 0 -
Why does society have such a stigma against sex?
Now THAT is the million dollar question!!!
I wish our society was different, but alas, I don't run the world.0 -
My position is based on my sense of Christian sexual morality. It's just how I was raised and what I believe. I don't claim to be better than anyone, and I'm not suggesting that anyone who doesn't share this same opinion is a bad person. I also explained that I have a very narrow understanding regarding the inner workings of prostitution (and I appreciate the explanations, because I've learned from this thread).0
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because sex is fun and we're not supposed to have fun! we're supposed to live a life like in George Orwell's 1984!
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
PIZZA IS VEGETABLE0 -
My position is based on my sense of Christian sexual morality. It's just how I was raised and what I believe. I don't claim to be better than anyone, and I'm not suggesting that anyone who doesn't share this same opinion is a bad person. I also explained that I have a very narrow understanding regarding the inner workings of prostitution (and I appreciate the explanations, because I've learned from this thread).
I don't think you're judging anyone - this thread is all about opinions. The reason I asked is to have a better understanding of why, so no worries
I guess my knowledge of the reasoning behind Christian sexual morality is equally narrow. I was raised in a Jewish household and currently consider myself to be an atheist.
I guess I do wonder though why you would question porn/strip clubs/prostitution legality just because it is something you do not believe or engage in. Where would the harm be in making it legal, but choosing not to partake?0 -
because sex is fun and we're not supposed to have fun! we're supposed to live a life like in George Orwell's 1984!
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
PIZZA IS VEGETABLE
OMG!! That made me laugh so hard I'm crying!! You shall be added!0 -
Why does society have such a stigma against sex?
Now THAT is the million dollar question!!!
I wish our society was different, but alas, I don't run the world.
Considering were one of the only animals that actually suppress sexual desire... who knows. I'd say it's because were more advanced intellectually, but we also are the only gluttonous animals who live stressful daily lives. For an advanced group, we sure do a pretty awful job at the basics.
In my opinion though, whether or not prostitution is legal has no effect on me. I would never go to a brothel, so what does it matter to me if others choose to do so? If it gives them a place to go, and makes it a little safer, then I'm all for it.
Realistically though, you're not going to see brothels popping up in every small town causing havoc.. If you believe its a matter of self respect, then don't get a job there?0 -
My position is based on my sense of Christian sexual morality. It's just how I was raised and what I believe. I don't claim to be better than anyone, and I'm not suggesting that anyone who doesn't share this same opinion is a bad person. I also explained that I have a very narrow understanding regarding the inner workings of prostitution (and I appreciate the explanations, because I've learned from this thread).
do you think Christianity should be law then? What about the people who dont believe in it? Surely your religion is a personal thing? I dont see why so many religious peoplem want to impose their personal rules on everyone else when its not even infringing on anyones rights0 -
Well, as a Marine in Japan from 1974 to 1975, it was the only sex available. I was a willing participant.
Having confessed to that, I would say that if I had known then what I know now, I would have abstained, but I was a lonely 20 yr old far away from home and very naive.
If a woman, soley and freely acting on her own wanted to sell herself, I would have no problem with it, but that is not the case. They are being pimped, pandered, exploited and abused by others.
I think they should issue pimp tags each year at the same time they issue other hunting tags. Anyone that would exploit a young boy or girl should be punished "with extreme prejudice".0 -
do you think Christianity should be law then? What about the people who dont believe in it? Surely your religion is a personal thing? I dont see why so many religious peoplem want to impose their personal rules on everyone else when its not even infringing on anyones rights
Who should speak up for morality in a society? Do you really think everyone should just be allowed to do what they "feel" is right? Religion is absolutely a personal choice. A society with no moral compass infringes on MY rights, so I believe people need to take a stand on what they believe is right and wrong.0 -
Why does society have such a stigma against sex?
Now THAT is the million dollar question!!!
I wish our society was different, but alas, I don't run the world.
Right? A massage therapist is a legal and respected profession, right? Absolutely legal in all 50 states, correct? She's using a part of her body (her hands, arms, elbows) to make a part of her clients' bodies feel good, right? So how come when the body parts are changed out for different ones, it's suddenly a totally different thing, both legally and in many folks' opinions, morally?0 -
If a woman, soley and freely acting on her own wanted to sell herself, I would have no problem with it, but that is not the case. They are being pimped, pandered, exploited and abused by others.
Not all prostitutes are being pimped, pandered, exploited and abused by others. How would you even come to that assumption?
macpatti--your "moral compass" isn't the same as everyone else's. I personally feel that a society that makes prostitution illegal has no moral compass, because it IS infringing on someone's right to do with THEIR body as THEY see fit. Are you seriously going to say that if you see a prostitute, it's infringing on your rights? You CHOOSE to be offended by them, just as you CHOOSE to pass judgement that they're an immoral person. But they aren't HURTING you.0 -
My opinion can be summed up quite simply.
They don't call it "the world's oldest profession" for nothing!
Honestly there is even evidence of what we call prostitution taking place in the animal kingdom, the recently noticed it among a certain species of spiders. Penguins are into it too.
Paying women for sex is NOTHING new. And nothing is going to stop it. May as well make it as safe as possible and tax it.0 -
macpatti--your "moral compass" isn't the same as everyone else's. I personally feel that a society that makes prostitution illegal has no moral compass, because it IS infringing on someone's right to do with THEIR body as THEY see fit. Are you seriously going to say that if you see a prostitute, it's infringing on your rights? You CHOOSE to be offended by them, just as you CHOOSE to pass judgement that they're an immoral person. But they aren't HURTING you.
I realize my moral compass isn't the same as everyone else's. I would hate to see a society devoid of all morality. I never said my seeing a prostitute infringes on my rights or that I am offended.0 -
macpatti--your "moral compass" isn't the same as everyone else's. I personally feel that a society that makes prostitution illegal has no moral compass, because it IS infringing on someone's right to do with THEIR body as THEY see fit. Are you seriously going to say that if you see a prostitute, it's infringing on your rights? You CHOOSE to be offended by them, just as you CHOOSE to pass judgement that they're an immoral person. But they aren't HURTING you.
I realize my moral compass isn't the same as everyone else's. I would hate to see a society devoid of all morality. I never said my seeing a prostitute infringes on my rights or that I am offended.
I really hope you're not implying that if people don't have the same moral compass as you that they are devoid of morality. Maybe I'm reading that wrong...0 -
I realize my moral compass isn't the same as everyone else's. I would hate to see a society devoid of all morality. I never said my seeing a prostitute infringes on my rights or that I am offended.
Patti, I'm sorry, you are going to have to forgive me for this one. But the way you worded that....
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I realize my moral compass isn't the same as everyone else's. I would hate to see a society devoid of all morality. I never said my seeing a prostitute infringes on my rights or that I am offended.
Patti, I'm sorry, you are going to have to forgive me for this one. But the way you worded that....
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Ha! Yeah, that was bad...........I'm going back and forth between our other thread, too, Brett! Cut me some slack! 0 -
I really hope you're not implying that if people don't have the same moral compass as you that they are devoid of morality. Maybe I'm reading that wrong...
No, that's not what I meant. You didn't read it wrong, I didn't word it well.0 -
Ha! Yeah, that was bad...........I'm going back and forth between our other thread, too, Brett! Cut me some slack!
It's fine Patti!
We all get lonely sometimes...
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I'd never judge..
*snort, laugh*
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It should be legal. It's no one elses business...period. Regulating it would end the sex slave trade. Not to mention, it's okay to sleep with drunk person you just met in a bar, you can have sex for money as long as some one is filming it for porn, and countless other things are legal, but we can't pay for sex? It's just another area where America's morals are all mixed up. You can pay someone to teach you martial arts and cage fighting so you can brutalize another person, but you can't pay for a hand job.0
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do you think Christianity should be law then? What about the people who dont believe in it? Surely your religion is a personal thing? I dont see why so many religious peoplem want to impose their personal rules on everyone else when its not even infringing on anyones rights
Who should speak up for morality in a society? Do you really think everyone should just be allowed to do what they "feel" is right? Religion is absolutely a personal choice. A society with no moral compass infringes on MY rights, so I believe people need to take a stand on what they believe is right and wrong.
Theres morals and theres morals. A society with no moral compass may infringe on your rights, but a society that lets people use their own body how they see fit doesnt infringe on your rights. Forcing a christian agenda on others who dont want it....... well im sure you wouldnt like it if other religions did it to you.0 -
I'm sure someone else has already said this, but I'm on a very short break, so no time to read the whole thread. I've always thought that, if anything, the purchase of sex should be illegal, rather than prostitution itself. I don't imagine many women, or men, for that matter, choose prostitution unless they see no other viable way to make a living. If desperation drives you to make the choice to sell your body, or you are forced into doing so, then, in my view, you should not be criminalised. I'd rather the time and effort of law enforcement was spent on tracking down and prosecuting those who force others into prostitution - the pimps, traffickers etc.
There are several European countries where prostitution is legal and controlled, and they typically have far fewer problems with associated crimes.0 -
You know what would be so much more interesting?
Debate the pros and cons of regulating prostitution. Start from a position we can all agree on: Like... "Clearly, turning a teenager into a sex slave should be illegal."
With that in mind, wouldn't regulating prostitution give authorities some added tools to prevent that clearly horrible scenario from happening?
Personally, I don't have a position in this matter. Laws concerning prostitution have no direct effect on my life personally.
But it cracks me up how some just choose to carry on these debates from extreme polar opposites. Por que?0 -
Even if it were legalized there would still be people trying to get around the authorities. I don't think it would stop streetwalking or other unsafe practices.
I wouldn't be happy if it were legalized where I am. This is just based on my own feelings about it but I don't want my government giving the OK to a practice that I find morally repugnant.0 -
Simple: I have no issue with it. If women want to do that, it should be their choice and no one else's.
Many people use the argument that it tears apart families. If a man is so desparate for sex that he hires a prostitute, what's going to stop him from cheating for free?0 -
I'm sure someone else has already said this, but I'm on a very short break, so no time to read the whole thread. I've always thought that, if anything, the purchase of sex should be illegal, rather than prostitution itself. I don't imagine many women, or men, for that matter, choose prostitution unless they see no other viable way to make a living. If desperation drives you to make the choice to sell your body, or you are forced into doing so, then, in my view, you should not be criminalised. I'd rather the time and effort of law enforcement was spent on tracking down and prosecuting those who force others into prostitution - the pimps, traffickers etc.
There are several European countries where prostitution is legal and controlled, and they typically have far fewer problems with associated crimes.
I have to disagree. I have a friend who wants to be a prostitute, and the Tyra Show did a segment on women who wanted to work at the Bunny Ranch. It is a profession that people want to do. You get paid to do something fun all day- have sex!0 -
Simple: I have no issue with it. If women want to do that, it should be their choice and no one else's.
Many people use the argument that it tears apart families. If a man is so desparate for sex that he hires a prostitute, what's going to stop him from cheating for free?
money also breaks up marriages, but you don't see people wanting to criminalize money. You've got a really good point about cheating for free too! 0 -
I have to disagree. I have a friend who wants to be a prostitute, and the Tyra Show did a segment on women who wanted to work at the Bunny Ranch. It is a profession that people want to do. You get paid to do something fun all day- have sex!
I would be all for legalising prostitution if it were a choice by the person to be a prostitute. However, in an overwhelming majority of cases, the prostitute is being coerced, forced and abused.
Most of the prostitutes are being victimised by pimps; many of them too young to make decisions for themselves.
The "high priced escort" who is in this profession by choice and loves it is a very small minority. It is not a victimless crime.
I'd like to hear the rationale of a person working in this profession. I'll put some stock in that argument. Listening to someone that wants to believe it is okay just because they don't want to own up to the fact that they may be victimizing another person is just rationalizing their own behavior.0
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