Prostitution

daffodilsoup

I don't want to prove anything. It's 1 am and I have a real job to go to tomorrow where I use my brain instead of my woo haa.
Porn, prostitution, etc - they're all unrespectable trades in my opinion. Would you be proud of a mother or sister or brother or whatever if they were participating in it? "Hey everyone my mother is a hooker, isn't that great?"

I don't really understand this type of thinking - what makes a trade "respectable"? All you're doing at a job is highlighting a certain talent and getting paid for it, if someone chooses sex as theirs, what makes that respectable or not?

ninerbuff

Jenna Jameson is, indeed, degrading herself. What a lowly way to make money, and what a shameful career she has built. Selling yourself for money is degrading, shameful decision indeed.

This is a subjective point of view. According to what you think is immoral, then it's degrading. She may not think that way. And it's only shameful to people who are opposed to sex being glamorized and accepted. People "sell" themselves out to money all the time, she just happens to do it with her body and looks. Many people will leave a job if another similar one gets offered for more money. Is that bad?

ninerbuff

I don't want to prove anything. It's 1 am and I have a real job to go to tomorrow where I use my brain instead of my woo haa.
Porn, prostitution, etc - they're all unrespectable trades in my opinion. Would you be proud of a mother or sister or brother or whatever if they were participating in it? "Hey everyone my mother is a hooker, isn't that great?"

I disrespect Wall Street because of the scams they pull, yet their portfolios suggest I should respect their success. I do believe that prostitution being legal is subjective because of how people view it.

suzycreamcheese

loads of jobs are degrading, and just because i wouldnt want my mother or my daughter doing it, doesnt mean that i think it needs to be illegal.

I wouldnt want my daughter to be a toilet cleaner either but i dont think it should be illegal.

Everybody needs sex and sometimes the only way to get it is to pay for it. Not everyone is lucky enough to have a partner or to be able to attract girls whenever they feel like it, and if someone is willing to buy it, and someone is willing to sell it, then i really and truly cant understand who the hells elses business it is.
You might think its some sort of sacred act, but i dont, and millions of others dont. if its sacred to you, then fantastic, youre welcome to your own beliefs and to live by them, but when your beliefs try to impose on what other people do with their own vaginas, then youre taking it too far.

castadiva

I'm sure someone else has already said this, but I'm on a very short break, so no time to read the whole thread. I've always thought that, if anything, the purchase of sex should be illegal, rather than prostitution itself. I don't imagine many women, or men, for that matter, choose prostitution unless they see no other viable way to make a living. If desperation drives you to make the choice to sell your body, or you are forced into doing so, then, in my view, you should not be criminalised. I'd rather the time and effort of law enforcement was spent on tracking down and prosecuting those who force others into prostitution - the pimps, traffickers etc.

There are several European countries where prostitution is legal and controlled, and they typically have far fewer problems with associated crimes.

err my best friend worked as a prostitute and dominatrix for quite a while. She absolutely loved it, said it was easy money, and she and the other girls she knew at the brothel were laughing all the way to the bank and it was a great atmosphere.
I personally wouldnt like it as i have to really like a guy first, but she has always been naturaly promiscuous and just found it fun.

Oh, I know some people do choose to work in the sex industry, and thoroughly enjoy their work. What I was trying to say is that for many it may seem like the only option or they are forced or coerced into it. I don't see why they should be criminalised for a situation that is often beyond their control. The criminals in this scenario, to my mind, are those who apply coercion or force, or profit from the services that prostitutes of both genders provide - I'd far rather see those people rounded up and prosecuted in far greater numbers than the often young and/or vulnerable (not always, but often) sex workers themselves.

suzycreamcheese

definitely. Its the people who force and coerce people into the industry that need the book thrown at them, not the women who make the choice freely. With the way the law works, these people are thrown in together as if its the same crime, or on the same level.

servilia

I wouldnt want my daughter to be a toilet cleaner either but i dont think it should be illegal.

Toilet cleaning is 1000% preferable to prostitution. No comparison really, when it comes to dignity.

macpatti

I wouldnt want my daughter to be a toilet cleaner either but i dont think it should be illegal.

Please tell me you didn't compare toilet cleaning to prostitution.

macpatti

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servilia

I wouldnt want my daughter to be a toilet cleaner either but i dont think it should be illegal.

Please tell me you didn't compare toilet cleaning to prostitution.

I know, the two are quite different.

KimmyEB

I wouldnt want my daughter to be a toilet cleaner either but i dont think it should be illegal.

Toilet cleaning is 1000% preferable to prostitution. No comparison really, when it comes to dignity.

You know, I really missed the memo announcing that you became the voice of morality, dignity, and shame.

suzycreamcheese

I wouldnt want my daughter to be a toilet cleaner either but i dont think it should be illegal.

Please tell me you didn't compare toilet cleaning to prostitution.

yes i absolutely did. Id hate either. What is and isnt degrading is totally subjective. My friend didnt feel degraded by being a prostitute, yet Ive felt degraded by a lot less than that. I felt degraded giving an old man in hospital a bed bath when he clearly "enjoyed it" and i had no choice as it was part of my job, but i dont think giving old men bed baths should be illegal either.

poisongirl6485

I wouldnt want my daughter to be a toilet cleaner either but i dont think it should be illegal.

Please tell me you didn't compare toilet cleaning to prostitution.

I know, the two are quite different.

That's not the point. The point is that it shouldn't be illegal just because some people don't like it. Nobody would LIKE that their daughter is a prostitute, but that doesn't mean those feelings should dictate what is law.

macpatti

yes i absolutely did. Id hate either. What is and isnt degrading is totally subjective. My friend didnt feel degraded by being a prostitute, yet Ive felt degraded by a lot less than that. I felt degraded giving an old man in hospital a bed bath when he clearly "enjoyed it" and i had no choice as it was part of my job, but i dont think giving old men bed baths should be illegal either.

So, you'd be okay with your daughter being either a toilet cleaner or a prostitute because there's no difference unless the person doing the job feels there is?

KimmyEB

yes i absolutely did. Id hate either. What is and isnt degrading is totally subjective. My friend didnt feel degraded by being a prostitute, yet Ive felt degraded by a lot less than that. I felt degraded giving an old man in hospital a bed bath when he clearly "enjoyed it" and i had no choice as it was part of my job, but i dont think giving old men bed baths should be illegal either.

So, you'd be okay with your daughter being either a toilet cleaner or a prostitute because there's no difference unless the person doing the job feels there is?

Can't speak for her, but I definitely would be. If that's their choice of career, and they aren't hurting anybody, what business is it of mine?

xoxMandyxox

yes i absolutely did. Id hate either. What is and isnt degrading is totally subjective. My friend didnt feel degraded by being a prostitute, yet Ive felt degraded by a lot less than that. I felt degraded giving an old man in hospital a bed bath when he clearly "enjoyed it" and i had no choice as it was part of my job, but i dont think giving old men bed baths should be illegal either.

So, you'd be okay with your daughter being either a toilet cleaner or a prostitute because there's no difference unless the person doing the job feels there is?

Seems like that's the point she was driving at.

Personally, I'm the same way. I wouldn't like it all that much, but, assuming it was legal, there was strict health regulations (testing, condom usage, etc), and a safe work environment, and my daughter(s) chose to get into the business, I would have to be supportive.

I see nothing degrading about sex. And if someone can make money off of it, why the hell not?

suzycreamcheese

yes i absolutely did. Id hate either. What is and isnt degrading is totally subjective. My friend didnt feel degraded by being a prostitute, yet Ive felt degraded by a lot less than that. I felt degraded giving an old man in hospital a bed bath when he clearly "enjoyed it" and i had no choice as it was part of my job, but i dont think giving old men bed baths should be illegal either.

So, you'd be okay with your daughter being either a toilet cleaner or a prostitute because there's no difference unless the person doing the job feels there is?

yes ultimately, although both are pretty down the bottom of my wish list for her. Not sure her papa would agree though

daffodilsoup

I know, the two are quite different.

Why is sex work any more degrading than scrubbing other people's *kitten* for a living?

fbmandy55

If a percentage of the money made by prostitutes goes to taxes instead of their pimps, it would boost our economy.

Prostitution should be illegal. Though this may be a bit of an exaggeration, I don't think it is wise to use prostitution as a potential boost to the economy. What if prostitution happens to grow? Then the United States would have an economy supported by prostitution, which is a complete degradation of women (or men). For example, China's economy is built on child labor. Their profits are the result of poor children who are treated in dehumanizing ways. And also, if the United States legalizes prostitution, it may lose trading partners and respect from other countries.

So what if it grows? That's each person's choice. If it were to become legal, then yes, of course, more people would choose to enter that profession. But that doesn't mean that every single person is going to become a prostitute, nor does it mean that everyone will want to receive services by a prostitute.

It's not a degradation of women (or men), if they are willingly choosing to enter that profession. That's like saying Jenna Jameson is degrading herself. I certainly don't think she feels she's degrading herself when she looks at her bank account.

You can't compare child labor to prostitution, anyway. Prostitution would consist of adults, making a choice to enter a profession. Child labor consists of minors who are forced into working.

Jenna Jameson is, indeed, degrading herself. What a lowly way to make money, and what a shameful career she has built. Selling yourself for money is degrading, shameful decision indeed.

This is your opinion. I have one or two female friends who depend on finding guys to buy their drinks when they go out and sleep around with guys who pamper them. I don't think any less of them. They are young, single and both parties enjoy what's going on, why is it a bad thing?

If I had the guts or body to do what Jenna Jameson does, I wouldn't mind that career. It's only degrading if you look at it that way, I'm a sexually liberated person so I do not. Some people see it as art, some see it as pleasurable entertainment and some see it as disgusting.

ninerbuff

IMO, I think that some females/males think it's degrading because the prostitutes are getting more sex than they are at home legally with their SO. :laugh:


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KimmyEB

IMO, I think that some females/males think it's degrading because the prostitutes are getting more sex than they are at home legally with their SO. :laugh:


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I think you're very correct! I also think a lot of the women who hate porn actresses are very insecure with themselves and/or jealous of them. So they hate them/try to make them feel degraded instead of admitting their own insecurities/jealousy.

macpatti

I can't stand the "jealousy card". Not everyone who disagrees with you or your actions is jealous of you.

KimmyEB

I can't stand the "jealousy card". Not everyone who disagrees with you or your actions is jealous of you.

Why would they be jealous of me? I'm not a porn actress. :laugh:

In all seriousness, I didn't say everyone--I said a lot.

macpatti

I can't stand the "jealousy card". Not everyone who disagrees with you or your actions is jealous of you.

Why would they be jealous of me? I'm not a porn actress. :laugh:

In all seriousness, I didn't say everyone--I said a lot.

I wans't meaning "you" to be you, Kimmy.

I didn't quote you because I know you didn't say everyone. I just threw that out there because I see this a lot on MFP. If we don't agree with the skinny chick who has lost weight on HCG, we're jealous. Um, no.

KimmyEB

I can't stand the "jealousy card". Not everyone who disagrees with you or your actions is jealous of you.

Why would they be jealous of me? I'm not a porn actress. :laugh:

In all seriousness, I didn't say everyone--I said a lot.

I wans't meaning "you" to be you, Kimmy.

I didn't quote you because I know you didn't say everyone. I just threw that out there because I see this a lot on MFP. If we don't agree with the skinny chick who has lost weight on HCG, we're jealous. Um, no.

Oh, okay. I gotcha.

I just know a lot of females I know don't like porn actresses because they feel they're better looking than them, or because they're afraid their boyfriend/husband will feel they're prettier than them. I've even gotten a few to admit it!