Racial Pride as it pertains to Caucasian People?
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I always hated those assignments, but probably because I am an adoptee. Ask adoptees how they feel, and then you'll see what pissed off looks like when it comes to pride in ones heritage.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programs.0 -
I'm not saying you're racist. My point of contention is using the term, "ethnic looking people" to refer to anyone not caucasian. Caucasians have ethnicity, too.And your point? I was just showing that the definition of ethnic can include racial characteristics. Those racial characteristics can be praised, desired, whatever unless you are caucasian. Then you become racist.
It's one thing to say, "I love that my skin is pale". It's another to say, "I'm proud that I'm white".One can say "I have beautiful Spanish olive skin" and it's ok. If a caucasian person were to say "I have beautiful American white skin", they would be ripped apart.0 -
I'm not saying you're racist. My point of contention is using the term, "ethnic looking people" to refer to anyone not caucasian. Caucasians have ethnicity, too.And your point? I was just showing that the definition of ethnic can include racial characteristics. Those racial characteristics can be praised, desired, whatever unless you are caucasian. Then you become racist.
It's one thing to say, "I love that my skin is pale". It's another to say, "I'm proud that I'm white".One can say "I have beautiful Spanish olive skin" and it's ok. If a caucasian person were to say "I have beautiful American white skin", they would be ripped apart.
And that is exactly what I mean, why can't white people say they are proud to be white???0 -
Caucasian refers to race only, not ethnicity. That could mean European, American, North African, etc. It's not an "ethnic look" in my mind. Geography plays a role is the physical appearance of a person, though, caucasian is much more broad and covers more geography than say, Latino, which can be both ethnicity AND race.
I'm not saying you're racist. My point of contention is using the term, "ethnic looking people" to refer to anyone not caucasian. Caucasians have ethnicity, too.And your point? I was just showing that the definition of ethnic can include racial characteristics. Those racial characteristics can be praised, desired, whatever unless you are caucasian. Then you become racist.
It's one thing to say, "I love that my skin is pale". It's another to say, "I'm proud that I'm white".One can say "I have beautiful Spanish olive skin" and it's ok. If a caucasian person were to say "I have beautiful American white skin", they would be ripped apart.0 -
And that is exactly what I mean, why can't white people say they are proud to be white???
Here's the thing, they can. They should be able to without any shame. The white race (I try not to believe in race much) has plenty of accomplishments and traits that are admirable and deserving of recognition.
The problem is that throughout history any time people got together to celebrate how great it is to be white you usually ended up with offensive rallies, lynchings and the violent expansion of Germany.
If you wanted to be proud of being white there's a group out there for you! Problem being they're a group you probably don't want to associate with at all if you have any sense.0 -
Because that usually means nothing more than, "I'm glad I'm not another race". We all know what "white pride" means. It means thinking you're better than other people because of your skin color.And that is exactly what I mean, why can't white people say they are proud to be white???0 -
Caucasian refers to race only, not ethnicity. That could mean European, American, North African, etc. It's not an "ethnic look" in my mind. Geography plays a role is the physical appearance of a person, though, caucasian is much more broad and covers more geography than say, Latino, which can be both ethnicity AND race.
"Race relates to a person's appearance - chiefly the color of their skin. It is determined biologically, with genetic traits such as skin color, eye color, hair color, bone/jaw structure etc.
Ethnicity, on the other hand, relates to cultural factors such as nationality, culture, ancestry, language and beliefs".
Caucasians can be ethnic. That's why when you said, "ethnic looking people" I wondered what you meant.0 -
Because that usually means nothing more than, "I'm glad I'm not another race". We all know what "white pride" means. It means thinking you're better than other people because of your skin color.And that is exactly what I mean, why can't white people say they are proud to be white???
And saying, " I'm proud to be black" means nothing more than "I'm glad I'm not another race". WHy is that ok then??0 -
I kind of skimmed through the responses and RoadDog once again you said exactly what I would have tried to say. That said, I refuse to be "politically correct" and I'll say I'm proud to be white. If someone has issues with it that's too bad. I'm not going to apologize for it. I'm pale and I like being pale. If I had naturally very dark skin and anything in between, I'd be proud of my skin color. If I was any other race, I'd be proud of whatever race I was.
And for now since my son needs to use the computer, I'll have to get back on her later.0 -
No, that's not what it means. When a minority says they are "proud" it doesn't mean they think they're better. It means they're not ashamed and will no longer tolerate racism.And saying, " I'm proud to be black" means nothing more than "I'm glad I'm not another race". WHy is that ok then??0 -
Of what is there to be proud? I just don't understand.That said, I refuse to be "politically correct" and I'll say I'm proud to be white. If someone has issues with it that's too bad. I'm not going to apologize for it.0 -
Because that usually means nothing more than, "I'm glad I'm not another race". We all know what "white pride" means. It means thinking you're better than other people because of your skin color.And that is exactly what I mean, why can't white people say they are proud to be white???
And saying, " I'm proud to be black" means nothing more than "I'm glad I'm not another race". WHy is that ok then??
Or why is it ok for me to say I'm brown and proud? I just don't think its fair my son has to deny half his heritage for the sake of political correctedness.0 -
Of what is there to be proud? I just don't understand.That said, I refuse to be "politically correct" and I'll say I'm proud to be white. If someone has issues with it that's too bad. I'm not going to apologize for it.
So basically, he can't be proud of who he is, but he could be proud of who he is if he was of my ethnicity?0 -
No, that's not what it means. When a minority says they are "proud" it doesn't mean they think they're better. It means they're not ashamed and will no longer tolerate racism.And saying, " I'm proud to be black" means nothing more than "I'm glad I'm not another race". WHy is that ok then??
I'm gonna have to disagree with you there, Patti. I've known extreme racists from every walk of life. People other than "white people" can be racist, too, and their "pride" can turn to "racism" just as fast. There's quite a few "whiter haters" out there.0 -
Of what is there to be proud? I just don't understand.That said, I refuse to be "politically correct" and I'll say I'm proud to be white. If someone has issues with it that's too bad. I'm not going to apologize for it.
Because that's part of who I am. I'm a white person. I'm also short. I'm a natural redhead (although because I'm older and gray, it now comes from a bottle}. I have my dad's big ears. I'm proud of whatever it is that makes me me because that's how God made me. So yes I have white pride. I also have short person pride. And I have my dad's big ears pride. What's wrong with that?0 -
I am proud to be an American, proud to be a (fill in both maiden and married last name) and i love my milky skin! I'm not proud to be "white" but I do love my Irish and Scottish heritage there's some real cool history there....I also have just about any other European race in me so I don't claim any of them as "my race." I am American as is anyone else who was born in this country regardless of color.
I love that it was a mexican person who brought this up
I think that in terms of your son it's probably not so much a matter of "he's proud to be white" as much as "he's not showing that he's proud to be mexican." Also, I wonder if it's also a bit of disapproval of the interracial union. My husband is Puerto Rican and his family (cousins, luckily not immediate family) was like "you're contaminating our blood." blah blah blah
If someone says they are proud to be "white" I think that it also comes across as racist. I think that in this day in age it's totally ridiculous that one cannot be proud of their heritage. If people want to get upset because I am proud of the people who raised me and line of people it took to get me on this planet then that is their own problem0 -
No, that's not what it means. When a minority says they are "proud" it doesn't mean they think they're better. It means they're not ashamed and will no longer tolerate racism.And saying, " I'm proud to be black" means nothing more than "I'm glad I'm not another race". WHy is that ok then??
I'm gonna have to disagree with you there, Patti. I've known extreme racists from every walk of life. People other than "white people" can be racist, too, and their "pride" can turn to "racism" just as fast. There's quite a few "whiter haters" out there.
it doesn't NECESSARILY mean they are saying their glad they aren't white, but yes it could mean that. It could also just be them saying they are OK being a minority. Any form of pride about race could be a form of racism but it isn't racism in and of itself0 -
Being grateful to God for who you are is one thing. Taking "pride" in being one color skin is another. Like I've said, being proud of where you came from, what your family traditions are, your heritage, your religion, is all fine. But when you start saying "I'm proud to be white", it carries a negative connotation.Because that's part of who I am. I'm a white person. I'm also short. I'm a natural redhead (although because I'm older and gray, it now comes from a bottle}. I have my dad's big ears. I'm proud of whatever it is that makes me me because that's how God made me. So yes I have white pride. I also have short person pride. And I have my dad's big ears pride. What's wrong with that?0 -
Of what is there to be proud? I just don't understand.That said, I refuse to be "politically correct" and I'll say I'm proud to be white. If someone has issues with it that's too bad. I'm not going to apologize for it.
So basically, he can't be proud of who he is, but he could be proud of who he is if he was of my ethnicity?
He's a she. 0 -
I think that in terms of your son it's probably not so much a matter of "he's proud to be white" as much as "he's not showing that he's proud to be mexican." Also, I wonder if it's also a bit of disapproval of the interracial union.
That actually crossed my mind, as well. After reading catshark's follow-up post about the project her son did, it seemed more of a cultural issue vs. a race one. They were upset that her son presented European culture vs. Mexican culture. His classmates/their parents/whoever took issue with it need to get a freaking life.
That'd be like a foreign exchange student doing that same project, and bringing in materials to represent, say, Finland, where that student is from, and everyone attacking them for not waving a big American flag instead. 0 -
Agreed.it doesn't NECESSARILY mean they are saying their glad they aren't white0 -
No, that's not what it means. When a minority says they are "proud" it doesn't mean they think they're better. It means they're not ashamed and will no longer tolerate racism.And saying, " I'm proud to be black" means nothing more than "I'm glad I'm not another race". WHy is that ok then??
I'm gonna have to disagree with you there, Patti. I've known extreme racists from every walk of life. People other than "white people" can be racist, too, and their "pride" can turn to "racism" just as fast. There's quite a few "whiter haters" out there.
it doesn't NECESSARILY mean they are saying their glad they aren't white, but yes it could mean that. It could also just be them saying they are OK being a minority. Any form of pride about race could be a form of racism but it isn't racism in and of itself
I didn't say it was. I said there ARE people like that, not that EVERYONE is. Basically: racists aren't comprised wholly of white people.0 -
There is no need for a "White Pride Parade", "White Entertainment TV", "White Miss America", etc.........because that's what they've always been! We just didn't call it what it really was. There is nothing wrong with minority groups forming to support each other and raise awareness. I never owned a slave either, RoadDog, but I certainly feel society (which includes myself) owes an apology for the way minorities were and still are treated just because of the color of their skin.
I am going to disagree with you. When does it end? When do I get to stop making amends for what someone else did? My first wife was a total b*tch. Took my home, My car, even my motorcyclce. Cheated on me. You're a woman; don't you owe me an apology?
Actually I feel like a better analogy would be your dad's ex wife did all that and now YOU hate women.
I have to disagree with you on this Patti, yes, it is terrible everything that has happened, and yes, many today still mistreat minorities. I don't know anyone who ever owned a slave and I think that very few slave owners are still alive in the US. Those who had slaves owe something to the slaves they had, I owe nothing. It is history, it sucks, and I am sorry for anyone who went through that or had family who went through it, but white people do no owe it to black people. (though I'm not saying that Black people shouldn't have a parade or anything)0 -
Being grateful to God for who you are is one thing. Taking "pride" in being one color skin is another. Like I've said, being proud of where you came from, what your family traditions are, your heritage, your religion, is all fine. But when you start saying "I'm proud to be white", it carries a negative connotation.Because that's part of who I am. I'm a white person. I'm also short. I'm a natural redhead (although because I'm older and gray, it now comes from a bottle}. I have my dad's big ears. I'm proud of whatever it is that makes me me because that's how God made me. So yes I have white pride. I also have short person pride. And I have my dad's big ears pride. What's wrong with that?
Well, like I said in my first post, I refuse to be "politically correct" and I will say I'm proud to be white. I'm not racist as anyone who knows me call tell you. As a matter of fact, my family would probably say I'm the least racist person they know. I don't have a problem with anyone saying they are proud to be Black or Hispanic or Asian or Mexican or anything else. If anyone has an issue with me saying I'm proud to be white, that's an issue they would need to deal with. My son is half Black and I've always encouraged him to be proud of the Black part of him and be proud of the white part of him.0 -
There is no need for a "White Pride Parade", "White Entertainment TV", "White Miss America", etc.........because that's what they've always been! We just didn't call it what it really was. There is nothing wrong with minority groups forming to support each other and raise awareness. I never owned a slave either, RoadDog, but I certainly feel society (which includes myself) owes an apology for the way minorities were and still are treated just because of the color of their skin.
I am going to disagree with you. When does it end? When do I get to stop making amends for what someone else did? My first wife was a total b*tch. Took my home, My car, even my motorcyclce. Cheated on me. You're a woman; don't you owe me an apology?
Actually I feel like a better analogy would be your dad's ex wife did all that and now YOU hate women. I have to disagree with you on this Patti, yes, it is terrible everything that has happened, and yes, many today still mistreat minorities. I don't know anyone who ever owned a slave and I think that very few slave owners are still alive in the US. Those who had slaves owe something to the slaves they had, I owe nothing. It is history, it sucks, and I am sorry for anyone who went through that or had family who went through it, but white people do no owe it to black people
And also because slavery exisited far before the African slaves brought to America. Since the beginning of time, rulers made slaves of their own subjects, who were of the same race. Macpatti, surely you know of Pharoh and Moses.0 -
Because that usually means nothing more than, "I'm glad I'm not another race". We all know what "white pride" means. It means thinking you're better than other people because of your skin color.And that is exactly what I mean, why can't white people say they are proud to be white???
I just have to say, that's not at all what it means to me. It simply means, I'm satisfied to be whatever race I am. I certainly don't think I'm better than anyone else because of my skin color.0 -
Well, I'm certainly not advocating every white person apologizing to every black person they know. I also don't advocate anyone walking around like they're owed anything. I certainly didn't mean to come across that way.but white people do no owe it to black people. (though I'm not saying that Black people shouldn't have a parade or anything)0 -
I'm not sure. Can you explain it to me?Macpatti, surely you know of Pharoh and Moses.0 -
i dont feel that there is any "heritage" associated with my whiteness...0
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Well, I'm certainly not advocating every white person apologizing to every black person they know. I also don't advocate anyone walking around like they're owed anything. I certainly didn't mean to come across that way.but white people do no owe it to black people. (though I'm not saying that Black people shouldn't have a parade or anything)
no, I didn't think you were advocating we all apologize but you said we owe them as a community....or something to that effect. I'll find the phrase and re-quote
Maybe I read it wrong 0
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