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  • salxtai
    salxtai Posts: 341 Member
    Forgot you were doing exercise eat-back., but you still might benefit from doing 100 more to push over your BMR.

    Actually, I haven't been - I included the workouts into the estimate of activity levels.
  • trysha1231
    trysha1231 Posts: 163 Member
    Things are still going pretty slow for me. My workouts have gotten more intense: Cardio 6 days and weights 3 days. I know from everything I've read that I need to NET above my BMR but I am still unsure if that should be daily or on average. I also wonder if I have my calculations wrong.

    Here is the spot check for this week:

    Start Weight date 4/2/2012
    Start Weight 146.4
    Start BMR 1298
    Food Exercise Net
    Monday, April 02 1547 503 1044

    Tuesday, April 03 1887 515 1372

    Wednesday, April 04 1453 427 1026

    Thursday, April 05 1808 600 1208

    Friday, April 06 1707 396 1311

    Saturday, April 07 0

    Sunday, April 08 0

    Weekly totals 8402 2441 5961

    Daily average 1200 349 852
    Daily Goal Calories 1930

    End Weight 146.4
    End BMR 1298
    Net above BMR -447

    I've monitored my activity levels pretty closely and I am pretty sure I am accounting for all my non-active as well as active times.
    Any suggestions? Do I still need to eat more, or less? I am hoping that I am trading muscle for fat and that's why the loss has not been faster, but I also worry that I am still not doing something right.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Things are still going pretty slow for me. My workouts have gotten more intense: Cardio 6 days and weights 3 days. I know from everything I've read that I need to NET above my BMR but I am still unsure if that should be daily or on average. I also wonder if I have my calculations wrong.

    Weekly totals 8402 2441 5961

    Daily average 1680 488 1192
    Daily Goal Calories 1930

    End Weight 146.4
    End BMR 1298
    Net above BMR -106

    I've monitored my activity levels pretty closely and I am pretty sure I am accounting for all my non-active as well as active times.
    Any suggestions? Do I still need to eat more, or less? I am hoping that I am trading muscle for fat and that's why the loss has not been faster, but I also worry that I am still not doing something right.

    So I corrected the values above based on 2 days not being in there. The spreadsheet assumes 7 days. I'll have to tweak that.

    So on daily avg missing daily goal by 250 cal, and under BMR by 106.

    And the more intense your workouts, the more spread there should be to see improvement. Weekly avg is just fine, because there is balance each day. So a day or two netting below is not bad.
    The only problem there is if you undercut your BMR by like 500 each day, and then went over 1000's on the rest day to make it up. Even the spike day theory which keeps you from netting constantly below isn't that extreme.
    And you don't do that far below at least.

    But on avg, you are below. So since your BMR still has to decide what to accomplish with less energy it is getting, compared to what it really wants, somethings will be left not done.
    Building more muscle is one of them. Now, existing muscle can improve and store more energy, weight gain.
    You are probably still losing fat, weight loss.

    So I'd get that 250 in there to reach goal of 1930 it appears it came up with.

    Here's my other concern because I can easily do this with 4 days of cardio. So this depends on how intense that cardio is. At only 400 cal it appears, perhaps not bad at all, and this is of no concern.
    But keep this in mind if you increase to an hr a day and higher effort.

    So you have a nice diet goal of 176 g carbs, or 704 calories worth. If you reach goal 1930, even more. Good.

    Decent cardio is going to burn 60-70% carbs, or if more intense because it's shorter would be 70-80% easily, if not more. 100% at anaerobic of course. Which for avg Joe or Jill is 80% true MHR.

    If that carb burn just from the workout is over 450 cal, you just used up all the carbs stored in liver, if they were topped off. That's fine, the muscles then start getting glucose from muscle storage, 1000-1500 cal worth there, enough for marathon if done at right pace.
    Anyway though, with liver glucose gone, blood sugar must still be maintained because the brain is still eating sugar as well as other organs without glucose storage, so now muscle is broken down for that purpose.

    So you eat your meals and the liver gets filed back up by however meals it takes to reach 450, excess goes to the muscles, ect.

    The concern to think about in case you want to increase time and/or intensity of those 6 days in a row, do the math and confirm you are fully topping off your stores, or you could easily find yourself at day 6 tearing into muscle breakdown.

    I've had to make a concerted effort to watch out for that. Just didn't want you going the route of more and harder without knowing what to watch out for. Burned muscle is very hard to gain back at calorie deficit, unless the deficit is very small.

    Since this was a paper almost, In conclusion, ya, eat back that extra 250 more it appears you should have, so you don't NET under your BMR constantly.
  • trysha1231
    trysha1231 Posts: 163 Member
    The concern to think about in case you want to increase time and/or intensity of those 6 days in a row, do the math and confirm you are fully topping off your stores, or you could easily find yourself at day 6 tearing into muscle breakdown.

    I've had to make a concerted effort to watch out for that. Just didn't want you going the route of more and harder without knowing what to watch out for. Burned muscle is very hard to gain back at calorie deficit, unless the deficit is very small.

    Since this was a paper almost, In conclusion, ya, eat back that extra 250 more it appears you should have, so you don't NET under your BMR constantly.

    Thank you.
    It is a hard mental thing to get through my head I guess that I actually need to eat more. But I KNOW I need too.
    My cardio has become pretty intense, burning 500-600 at a time (on cardio only days). Then the other days are a shorted cardio (HIIT) and then weights, so not as big as a burn but still decent.
    I will get this right! LOL
    Thank you again for taking the time to explain all this and to help me make a healthy life long change.
  • salxtai
    salxtai Posts: 341 Member
    Alright, measurements as of 8/4/2012 (compared to25th March):

    Neck: 33 (0)
    Forearm: 23cm (0)
    Waist: 72.5 (-0.5cm)
    Abd: 76.5 (-1cm)
    Hips: 92 (0)
    L thigh: 59.5 (-0.5) / R thigh: 59 (-1cm)
    L calf: 33cm (-0.5cm) / R calf: 33cm (-0.5cm)
    L arm / R arm: no change
    Wrist: no change

    Body Fat:
    23.07% (Covert Bailey "Fit or Fat")

    25.3% Average


    The thing that I'm seeing is that my calf measurements are consistently dropping with each measurement. I'm hoping that this is more because I wasn't making sure to leave 2 rest days before measuring and/or am loosing some intramuscular fatty deposits, rather than actually losing muscle bulk itself.
    (and yep, I realise measurements were taken v close together. Was checking I wasn't upping in weight - was about 3 weeks into upping my cals)

    6th March 34.5
    15th March 35
    20th March 34
    25th March 33.5 (2 rest days)
    8th April 33 (2 rest days)
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Progress Week 9

    Current BMR = 1740 (Katch BF% is 1850)
    Goal calories = 2465 on first 5 days, 2000 on last 2 days which is a week of no exercise

    Average calorie intake per day = 2341
    Average Exercise burn per day = 370
    Average Net Calories = 1970
    Net above BMR - 251 (120 using Katch BMR)

    Weight lost this week = 4.6 lbs

    Didn't have time for any measurement - but from jeans I know waist is down again.

    Last weeks weigh-in was inflated (only lost 0.4) because of retained water in sore muscles, finally dropped on Fri. So 2 week avg more realistic at 2.5 lb each week. And this after I got eating goal back up a bit, and calmed down on workouts a bit.

    Started rest week on Monday for 6 or 7 days with no exercise. Eating at 2000, so at least 150 over Katch BMR.

    Purpose of rest week is to have calorie cut while RMR is still running high from normal exercise routine, but you are basically only feeding the BMR. So from Sunday, actually lost 1.2 lbs. No artificial loss like energy stores, dehydrated, sick with sore throat but no problem eating and drinking, more drink actually.
    This should be a week of mainly fat burn. Sadly I can't get the normally recommended walk slowly during workout times to enhance non-fed daily activity.
  • wiginn
    wiginn Posts: 147 Member
    Progress Week 9

    Weight lost this week = 4.6 lbs

    Great loss!!

    I stayed the same again this week, even with a couple of extra rest days. This week I'm trying to focus on getting my net calories consistently above my BMR.
  • WeCallThemDayWalkers
    WeCallThemDayWalkers Posts: 259 Member
    Definitely frustrated...it's been TWO MONTHS and I haven't lost an ounce in that time :cry:

    WEEK # 8 since upping calories

    UP 1.2 lbs :grumble:

    Start wt: 171.2
    Start BMR = 1471


    Daily avg eaten= 1854

    Daily avg burned = 244

    Daily net = 1609

    end weight 172.4
    End BMR = 1476
    Net above BMR = 133


    ***

    LAST WEEK
    Weekly update through 4/4/10:

    Start 171.8 lbs
    BMR: 1473

    Avg food: 1846
    Avg exercise: 207
    Avg Net: 1639
    Net over BMR: 168

    End: 171.2 lbs
    "loss" = .6
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Net above BMR = 133


    ***

    LAST WEEK

    Net over BMR: 168

    Since you seem to net above your BMR by decent amount, you could in theory trim another 100 off daily.

    That being said, when I tried that and exercised decently for 2 weeks, I lost 0.2 lbs for each week, and some muscle weight - so not good result.. When I upped it by almost 200 calories because I adjusted the schedule for different type of workouts, then it started coming off easier.
  • WeCallThemDayWalkers
    WeCallThemDayWalkers Posts: 259 Member
    Net above BMR = 133


    ***

    LAST WEEK

    Net over BMR: 168

    Since you seem to net above your BMR by decent amount, you could in theory trim another 100 off daily.

    That being said, when I tried that and exercised decently for 2 weeks, I lost 0.2 lbs for each week, and some muscle weight - so not good result.. When I upped it by almost 200 calories because I adjusted the schedule for different type of workouts, then it started coming off easier.

    Yeah...just not sure :( I was netting about 50 over BMR for 2 or 3 weeks and didn't lose any lbs at that level either. I dunno...
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Progress Week 10 on 4/14 (this is shift to Sat am being weigh-in now, from Wed am, so some week 9 overlap)

    Current BMR = 1713 (Katch BF% is 1805)
    Goal calories = 2000 on a week of no exercise except Sat/Sun @ 2465

    Average calorie intake per day = 2148 (2000 except Sat/Sun)
    Average Exercise burn per day = 213 (Sun long ride)
    Average Net Calories = 1935
    Net above BMR - 222 (130 using Katch BMR)

    Weight lost this week = 2.6 lbs

    Purpose of rest week is to have calorie cut while RMR is still running high from normal exercise routine, but you are basically only feeding the BMR. No artificial loss like energy stores, dehydrated, though I was sick all week with sore throat but no problem eating and drinking, more drink actually.
    This should be a week of mainly fat burn. Sadly I can't get the normally recommended walk slowly during workout times to enhance daily activity.

    This is normally what I see on a rest week. But I should not have waited 8 weeks, needed it at 6, but had week off anyway.

    I will mention, after starting my meds on this same Sat, I'm up 3lbs today still eating at 2000 and no exercise. Water retention since there is on way I could gain fat.
    This Sat will be next update, and off 2 of the meds, and hopefully well. Starting slowly back on exercise tonight.
  • WeCallThemDayWalkers
    WeCallThemDayWalkers Posts: 259 Member
    WEEK # 9 (This week)
    Down 2.4 lbs (but not really since 9 weeks ago I started at 170.6)

    Avg eaten: 1873
    Avg burned: 202
    Avg Net: 1671

    Start wt: 172.4
    End wt: 170.0
    Net above BMR: 206

    ****

    WEEK # 8 (LAST WEEK)

    was UP 1.2 lbs

    Start wt: 171.2
    Start BMR = 1471


    Daily avg eaten= 1854

    Daily avg burned = 244

    Daily net = 1609

    end weight 172.4
    End BMR = 1476
    Net above BMR = 133
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Progress Week 11 on 4/21

    Current BMR = 1715 (Katch BF% is 1830)
    Goal calories = 2000 on first 4 days (finishing 9 days no exercise) higher 2489 last 3 days

    Average calorie intake per day = 2289
    Average Exercise burn per day = 167
    Average Net Calories = 2062
    Net above BMR - 347 (232 using Katch BMR)

    Weight lost this week = 0.4 lbs

    Finished off 9 days of no exercise and eating slightly above BMR. Normally a fat burning time, but didn't get any calm walks in during workout times to help. Still sick for half of week. Actually on Wed am, gained 3 lbs, so by Sat had lost 2.6 of that water weight, I think med's induced.

    Measurements though, down 1.25% BF, or 2.2 lbs. LBM went up 2.6 lbs (water weight still thinking).

    Meds stopped today, though inflammation and cough still there, but mostly dry. Bike ride showed lungs/O2 not effected totally.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Progress Week 12 on 4/28

    Current BMR = Katch BF% is 1844
    Goal calories = 2489 (extra on 1 day for extra long workout)

    Average calorie intake per day = 2579
    Average Exercise burn per day = 597
    Average Net Calories = 1982
    Net above BMR - 138

    Weight lost this week = 1.8 lbs gained actually

    Past week was focus on weight lifting after the 10 days off. 4 sessions. Still sore from Wed/Thu lifting I knew retaining water. Upper body lost Friday night (up every 2 hrs about getting rid of).
    Lower body still sore from Thu, not lost yet.

    This week back to 1 lifting upper and lower each, and normal cardio intense/recovery sessions.
  • wiginn
    wiginn Posts: 147 Member
    I haven't posted an update in a few weeks, but am still following this plan. Here are my results 12 weeks in:

    Here are my results so far following this method:
    Week 1 1.2 pounds lost
    Week 2 1.4 pounds lost
    Week 3 1.4 pounds lost
    Week 4 1 pounds lost
    Week 5 0.4 pounds lost
    Week 6 0.2 pounds lost
    Week 7 0 pounds lost
    Week 8 1.8 pounds lost
    Week 9 0.2 pounds lost
    Week 10 0.2 pounds GAINED
    Week 11 0.4 pounds lost
    Week 12 0.4 pounds lost

    12 weeks, total weight loss 8.2 pounds (.68/per week). The last several weeks have been extremely slow in terms of scale movement. 28 pounds still to get to my goal weight. Week 11 was light on exercise due to having a cold. Week 12 I started concentrating on increasing my protein to approx 120g - 140g/day. I'm always over on my carbs.

    Week 12 spot check:
    Starting Weight date 4/24/12
    Starting BMR 1394
    Food Exercise Net
    April 24 1958 200 1758
    April 25 1846 0 1846
    April 26 1880 705 1175
    April 27 1629 125 1504
    April 28 1966 446 1520
    April 29 1857 315 1542
    April 30 2038 300 1738

    Weekly totals 13174 2091 11083

    Daily average 1882 299 1583
    Daily Goal Calories 1879
    Ending Weight = 0.4 pounds lost
    Ending BMR 1392
    Net above BMR avg 191 should be positive

    Also, took measurements today....
    Since January 2, I have lost
    11.8 pounds
    3.5 inches on my waist
    2.75 inches on my hips
    2.75 inches on my chest
    .5 inches on my right thigh
    pretty much stayed same on right calf (1/8 inch loss)
    .25 inches on my right bicep
    my BMI has gone down 1.9

    So there is definite progress taking place, albeit slowly. The past two months have been very slow, both on the scale and in terms of inches (1 inch on waist and .5 inches on hips, rest of measurements same, except an increase in thigh measurement (retaining water maybe due to lots of leg work this week??).

    I had really hoped to be down another 7 pounds when I do the Tough Mudder on May 19 - but that's not looking realistic.
    Other than increasing my protein, any ideas on increasing the movement in either the scale or inches (preferably both)? Or is this slow what's meant by slow and steady??

    If you've read this far - thanks for taking the time!! Have a great day!!
  • WeCallThemDayWalkers
    WeCallThemDayWalkers Posts: 259 Member
    I think you're doing awesome!!!
  • WeCallThemDayWalkers
    WeCallThemDayWalkers Posts: 259 Member
    End of week 11...here we go...LOL

    Start 11 weeks ago 171.4
    Today 169.8

    weekly weight loss 0.14 lbs.

    Oh man...

    need to take new measurements but at last check, no movement.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    I had really hoped to be down another 7 pounds when I do the Tough Mudder on May 19 - but that's not looking realistic.
    Other than increasing my protein, any ideas on increasing the movement in either the scale or inches (preferably both)? Or is this slow what's meant by slow and steady??

    If you've read this far - thanks for taking the time!! Have a great day!!

    I'd say since you seem to have provided metabolism opportunity to be burning full, exercise isn't robbing too many calories for BMR to get it's job done without slowing things down any, workout calorie burns don't seem to indicate massive over training, then it's time to cut 100 off daily.

    Now, I will say I got closer to BMR than that will put you, accidentally had some values wrong in activity after some changes so it dropped, and for the 2 weeks I did that, little to no loss. Noticed the error when I was putting lawn mowing time/effort in, and cal's went back up and more. Then the loss went better until my rest week where I was sick and didn't walk, and week later with focus on lifting. And this will be a bad carb-loading week if you get my drift.

    But give it a go for 3 weeks. If metabolism was flying high, should see immediate results from increased deficit, and if loss amount stays, then metabolism is staying, then drop another 100.
    But if you have bigger loss first week, less next week, less again, then you were already too close, and probably already suppressed, in which case going back up, and probably a tad more.

    I can't recall, was that the Katch BMR estimate or Mifflin?
  • wiginn
    wiginn Posts: 147 Member
    I can't recall, was that the Katch BMR estimate or Mifflin?

    From the spreadsheet, my 1392 is Mifflin. The Katch BMR is blank - where can I calculate that and what's the difference between the two?

    Had a chat with my personal trainer this a.m. and she suggested I give the increased protein another 1-2 weeks and if that doesn't trigger a change, then possibly drop 100 calories - so you two are thinking along the same lines. :-) Always makes me feel better if I have more than one person giving me similar advice!

    Thanks for your input!!
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    From the spreadsheet, my 1392 is Mifflin. The Katch BMR is blank - where can I calculate that and what's the difference between the two?

    Had a chat with my personal trainer this a.m. and she suggested I give the increased protein another 1-2 weeks and if that doesn't trigger a change, then possibly drop 100 calories - so you two are thinking along the same lines. :-) Always makes me feel better if I have more than one person giving me similar advice!

    Thanks for your input!!

    Katch is the BMR calc that uses the bodyfat% or rather LBM in calc, and is much more accurate. Because the energy needs of fat-free mass is pretty straight forward.
    Mifflin is the BMR calc MFP uses too, and is based on avg Fat / LBM ratio of avg person your age/height, then increased for weight factor, and by that point, could be very inflated.

    So you literally could have less LBM than Mifflin is expecting and therefore BMR is actually lower, or it could be higher from all the working out and BMR is actually higher. Mine is a tad over 100 more than current weight Mifflin, 200 more than future weight Mifflin.

    So there should be a link in spreadsheet for getting a bodyfat% estimate. As long as the values are within 5% of each other, decent enough estimate to be used in the BMR calc. And if you keep logging measurements, decent for seeing direction too. Even if 5% off.
    http://www.gymgoal.com/dtool_fat.html

    And I don't think the protein would actually make much difference. It wouldn't change the calories you are doing. If you were having problems eating less, it might very help make you feel full and help you not eat as much.
    If you were having insulin spikes because of high carbs and it made you hungry in an hour, that could help too.
    But you are already logging and eating a certain amount of calories, which won't change.

    Only thing it would do is cause slightly more inefficiency in processing the food, so while the label may say 100 cal of protein, and you only get 90 cal actually out of it, compared to 95 for carb or 99 for fat, it's not that much difference. And those values are totally made up, I don't recall real % of usage right now.

    That being said, it can help make workouts more productive in the repair aspect during recovery. Muscle is always broken down during exercise, if not enough taken in, then it's not repaired back as well or better - which is the whole point of exercise hopefully.

    Just don't trim too many carbs away such that intense workouts don't have their carb burn replaced by the next workout.

    Meaning, lets say your workout burning 700 calories is real intense cardio, you love it and really push hard, HR 80% of max.
    And about 90% carb usage at that level, if not more. Only 10% of energy needs coming from fat.
    You just burned 630 cal's of carbs, glucose. You used up 450 cal available in the liver, if that was really topped off. Rest of it came from the muscle glucose stores being used.
    Sadly, for the time between liver usage and muscle usage and until your next meal, the blood sugar must still be maintained, and muscle glucose can't be put into the bloodstream. Now, some lactic acid being produced can be used, other conversions too, but the easiest to convert is muscle, so you burn a tad of muscle until your next meal with carbs.
    So anyway, 630 cal's of carbs gone for just that workout, plus rest of the daily use,
    If your diet until the next workout doesn't make up those 630 cal's of carbs, 158 grams worth, the muscles are depleted by some amount. Enough days in a row of carb deficit, and if the same muscles are always in deficit, they themselves will need glucose, and once liver is empty, more conversion for general muscle use now.

    This is exactly how I burned off 3.4 lbs of LBM in 6 wks, prior to adding a rest day, and a recovery day, and making intervals truly intervals, and watching more carefully. And I knew fully well it could happen, just didn't do the math.

    Anyway, in conclusion, don't add too much protein and only back down carbs, if your workouts are real intense. If they are lengthy and calm, then carb usage is probably only 60%, so no problems, file away the tidbits above for trivia night.
  • wiginn
    wiginn Posts: 147 Member
    Thanks Heybales - makes sense. I'll try decreasing my calories by about 100/day and see how it goes.
  • WeCallThemDayWalkers
    WeCallThemDayWalkers Posts: 259 Member
    That's what I'm doing too! Figure I've been eating up around 1900-2000 for 3 months. I can cut back and see what happens. Good to know I can maintain at that much. Hopefully I can work on slowly upping my metabolism with eating for future me.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    I'm beginning to think that BodPod test for BF% is probably more useful tool than RMR test.
    At least with true BF%, you can see how the measuring estimates compare, see what level they are off, and know you can keep using them with that factor applied.

    I was going to wait, but I'm thinking I'm close enough, and have a problem overdoing things sometimes, I'd likely suppress myself again accidentally. I've done it for years, so I'm much better at that method. And then discouraged splurges don't help when suppressed.

    oh dang, $35 at KU, it's getting done.

    Have to see if they are equally cheap on metabolic profile. Though I looked at my VO2max test, and they had 2 min of resting measurements.
    Shoot, the studies that give the formula's for using the VO2 and VCO2 all cost money. I could know what my RMR was at that time, and decent estimate possible for now too. Ughhh.
  • WeCallThemDayWalkers
    WeCallThemDayWalkers Posts: 259 Member
    There's a bodpod here in Portland for 40$...thinking it might be beneficial!
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Progress Week 13 on 5/5

    Current Katch BMR = 1844
    Goal calories = 2489 (extra 986 for extra long workout)

    Average calorie intake per day = 3134
    Average Exercise burn per day = 699
    Average Net Calories = 2435
    Net above BMR - 591

    Weight lost this week = 0.0

    Past week was carbo-loading for some non-existent event.

    I think problem started on Sunday being so hungry still from Sat's ride, but I ate the extra cal's on Sat.
    The ride according to Polar literally burned 2480.
    The credit already in the spreadsheet for the 1hr (538) plus another 1:50 hr (986) is 1524.
    So a deficit of 2480-1524 = 956 on just that day from exercise, plus the normal daily deficit of probably 400.
    No wonder hungry for several days.
    This week, going to make some up on Sat and some on Sun. Hoping that doesn't cause the week to be so bad.
    Because that 2480 workout was pretty intense, probably 80% carb burn, that means 1984 carbs burned. And eating back 986 extra total, which was not all carbs, just wasn't enough.

    So back to regular problem of doing what I enjoy, but it is too intense for deficit eating. Just sets me up for failure. Urg.

    I still lost some fat though, just not weight.
  • wiginn
    wiginn Posts: 147 Member
    Week 13 update - focused on getting more protein and tried to eat about 100 less per day = 1.2 pounds lost! YAY!!!
    Weekly spot check and confirmation

    Starting Weight date 5/1/12
    Starting BMR 1392
    Food Exercise Net
    1-May 1909 535 1374
    2-May 1782 305 1477
    3-May 1694 438 1256
    4-May 1729 0 1729
    5-May 1895 395 1500
    6-May 1715 508 1207
    7-May 1726 522 1204

    Weekly totals 12450 2703 9747

    Daily average 1779 386 1392
    Daily Goal Calories 1879

    Ending Weight -1.2 Pounds
    Ending BMR 1387
    Net above BMR avg 6

    Amazingly, my daily average was exactly 100 below my daily goal calories. So, do I stay that same course for this coming week? It was definitely doable - I think the focus on protein kept me from missing the 100 calories too much. I still had room for my nightly 'treat' - usually sugar free chocolate pudding. :-)

    Any worries about some of my workout days netting below BMR? Or is the weekly average that counts the most?
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Week 13 update - focused on getting more protein and tried to eat about 100 less per day = 1.2 pounds lost! YAY!!!

    Amazingly, my daily average was exactly 100 below my daily goal calories. So, do I stay that same course for this coming week? It was definitely doable - I think the focus on protein kept me from missing the 100 calories too much. I still had room for my nightly 'treat' - usually sugar free chocolate pudding. :-)

    Any worries about some of my workout days netting below BMR? Or is the weekly average that counts the most?

    Congrats!

    Stay at that level. If it doesn't stay consistent, but becomes less and less, then you actually went under and metabolism is slowing down again.

    Weekly balance is more important, the day won't be noticed. Day after day after day ..... would be.
  • wiginn
    wiginn Posts: 147 Member
    Thanks!!
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Well, since we were talking about Bod Pod and what not, got it done on my morning after rest day today.
    So comparing to measurement method (http://www.gymgoal.com/dtool_fat.html), and my Omron HPF500 dual impedance (hands/feet) scale, all this morning.


    Bod Pod - 18.8

    Scale - 16.4

    Navy - 19.54
    Covert - 16.95
    Avg measure - 18.2

    So the Bod Pod claims 2% accuracy or better, so 16.8 to 20.8. So that encompasses the other estimates.
    The scale to be 2% for men (5% for women), 14.4 to 20.4. http://digitalcommons.wku.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1249&context=ijes
    Measurements 5%, 11.95 (Covert) to 24.54 (Navy).

    So what does this means as far as estimating BMR over these ranges?
    Let's take extremes of range of 11.95 to 24.54.
    Katch BMR 1928 to 1705, 223.

    If avg measurement value used with range of 5% accuracy - 13.2 to 23.2
    1906 to 1729 - difference of only 177 or 10% on low end.

    Anyway, I was using 16.95 and BMR 1839, so now I'll use 18.8 and BMR 1807 - negligible. Especially since the future me is based on Mifflin BMR calc because it's less cal's right now, so no effect actually except on confirming weekly checks.

    But at least I know the avg measurement method going down the road is within probably 2% of better Bod Pod estimate.

    So would I suggest it? Huh, for curious sake, as starting point, for knowledge of best other method to estimate with that is cheaper - sure.
    It's not changing my goal much at all.

    I don't think. The paper they gave had a newer study formula on RMR based on body comp, I want to see if how that plays out to the Katch BMR study formula.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Progress Week 14 on 5/12

    Current Katch BMR = 1804
    Goal calories = 2489 (extra 1076 for extra long workout)

    Average calorie intake per day = 2699
    Average Exercise burn per day = 702
    Average Net Calories = 1880
    Net above BMR - 76

    Weight lost this week = 1.0

    This weeks calories burns will be based on Garmin HRM, not the Polar. Has more accurate algorithms actually.
    Planning on getting out the BodyMedia for couple rest days too to confirm current TDEE without exercise.
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