Season 2 - Episode 12 - "Better Angels" 03/11/12
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I would think it only fair to talk in detail about the comic only up to where the show is. Just because you can find the info somewhere on the net even if you don't read the comics (and why would you? if you want to know read the comic, actually know the guts of the story not just the highlights) doesn't mean everyone is doing that.
It's like someone who hasn't seen "Ole Yeller" and someone walks by and says "Oh I remember that movie where the dog dies. blah blah" Not right.0 -
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I would think it only fair to talk in detail about the comic only up to where the show is. Just because you can find the info somewhere on the net even if you don't read the comics (and why would you? if you want to know read the comic, actually know the guts of the story not just the highlights) doesn't mean everyone is doing that.
It's like someone who hasn't seen "Ole Yeller" and someone walks by and says "Oh I remember that movie where the dog dies. blah blah" Not right.
Old Yeller dies?!? Hahahahaha, sorry, I sometimes find myself being humourous, and I felt the need to share my sarcasm. Hope it made someone else giggle too
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Old Yeller dies?!? Hahahahaha, sorry, I sometimes find myself being humourous, and I felt the need to share my sarcasm. Hope it made someone else giggle too
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I knew someone would do that. 0 -
Old Yeller dies?!? Hahahahaha, sorry, I sometimes find myself being humourous, and I felt the need to share my sarcasm. Hope it made someone else giggle too
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I knew someone would do that.
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Beat me to it. The other problem with discussing the comic is that some people have said they want to read the comic too.0 -
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"Rick is struggling with morality issues and while I agree that he doesn't always make the smartest choice, I don't think he is a wimp because of it. And I do not agree at all that the group is screwed without Shane. He completely lost his mind and was too dangerous to anyone who didn't agree with him. Shane was not the only character with balls- did you notice last week when Daryl took Randall back to the shed? He looked like he was ready to take care of him right there. He had Randall trussed up, gagged and was sharpening his knife right as Dale started screaming. He also proved he's got balls when he put Dale out of his misery when no one else could. Daryl is a total bad *kitten* and could easily become Ricks right hand man. He can make the tough decisions, he clearly has the most common sense and he isn't trying to sleep with Lori behind Ricks back. Also- daryl is the only eye candy I need!!"
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Yes, Daryl is perfect. Can we please just start an "I love Daryl" thread (pic heavy, of course)! 0 -
I would definitely feel safer with Daryl than with Shane! I happen to like Rick too - It's never easy being the leader and trying to have a heart, make the tough decisions. As for "leaving the group" so often to do stuff, what kind of leader would he be if he ONLY delegated to other people to do the "dirty work" instead of doing some of it himself?0
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But no one has told Darryl that his gun is gone, and he and Glen are still out in the woods!! I'm thinking that something is going to happen where he can't get back into the house and he's going to have to escape on his bike, and he will run out of arrows and go for the gun in his saddlebag and it won't be there and he will be screwed. And it will be all Carl's fault.
But Darryl took another gun with him before they left.....But that is gonna come up somehow...Him needing it and not having it...
and i agree with you about the Walkers already being near the house.....hearing the gun shots made them move a little faster. In the beginning of the ep. They were out patrolling and it was what 3-4 walkers eating on a cow...that is what is attracting them there...one of them put out a homing signal..FREE SLOW FOOD!!!
I know another has to die, I just dont know WHO!!! altho i have a few i would not mind seeing gone...I still want everyone to make it...0 -
Didn't Randall tell Shane that they were 5 miles out from the highway.....that's only about what???? a hop, skip and jump to the farm...It is very much possible that the GANG OF 33 will just happen to trip onto the farm, right as the walkers are there and help get rid of them OR when they are all gone and end up being more of a problem...BECAUSE they are not gonna have enough AMMO to fight...
Shane is only eye candy from that scene when he killed Otis, standing there in the bathroom mirror, with the shower running getting the room all foggy...and cutting off his hair....SORRY I'm back....I was reminiscing for a minute...
QUESTION...who else doesn't think that Glen is that into Maggie?0 -
I would definitely feel safer with Daryl than with Shane! I happen to like Rick too - It's never easy being the leader and trying to have a heart, make the tough decisions. As for "leaving the group" so often to do stuff, what kind of leader would he be if he ONLY delegated to other people to do the "dirty work" instead of doing some of it himself?
Here Here!!! PRO RICK0 -
I agree about Carl having the gun - FIRST THING they should have done was tell Darryl that it was gone- I thought the same thing- he's gonna come riding in on his "white horse" aka Sweet Ride, and reach for the gun when he's out of arrows, and Surprise! WTH? I mean I know these people are scavengers now too, but still, you tell someone when you remove their weapon. Fan of Rick, not a big Lori fan, and starting to be irritated with Carl. I do like Hershel now that he's not delusional about the Walkers getting better.0
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I agree about Carl having the gun - FIRST THING they should have done was tell Darryl that it was gone- I thought the same thing- he's gonna come riding in on his "white horse" aka Sweet Ride, and reach for the gun when he's out of arrows, and Surprise! WTH? I mean I know these people are scavengers now too, but still, you tell someone when you remove their weapon. Fan of Rick, not a big Lori fan, and starting to be irritated with Carl. I do like Hershel now that he's not delusional about the Walkers getting better.
I think someone said in another post that Daryl mentioned he knew his gone was gone. I have watched the episode twice and didn't notice him saying that.
The first thing they should have done was MAKE CARL TAKE IT BACK. Then give Carl another gun. And make sure everyone else has one, including the cows.0 -
He said "Wish I knew where mine was" referring to his gun. It was when Rick (I think) handed him Dale's gun. They were standing by the truck and Daryl was putting something in the back. Right after he said "Is this Dale's piece?"I agree about Carl having the gun - FIRST THING they should have done was tell Darryl that it was gone- I thought the same thing- he's gonna come riding in on his "white horse" aka Sweet Ride, and reach for the gun when he's out of arrows, and Surprise! WTH? I mean I know these people are scavengers now too, but still, you tell someone when you remove their weapon. Fan of Rick, not a big Lori fan, and starting to be irritated with Carl. I do like Hershel now that he's not delusional about the Walkers getting better.
I think someone said in another post that Daryl mentioned he knew his gone was gone. I have watched the episode twice and didn't notice him saying that.
The first thing they should have done was MAKE CARL TAKE IT BACK. Then give Carl another gun. And make sure everyone else has one, including the cows.0 -
He said "Wish I knew where mine was" referring to his gun. It was when Rick (I think) handed him Dale's gun. They were standing by the truck and Daryl was putting something in the back. Right after he said "Is this Dale's piece?"I agree about Carl having the gun - FIRST THING they should have done was tell Darryl that it was gone- I thought the same thing- he's gonna come riding in on his "white horse" aka Sweet Ride, and reach for the gun when he's out of arrows, and Surprise! WTH? I mean I know these people are scavengers now too, but still, you tell someone when you remove their weapon. Fan of Rick, not a big Lori fan, and starting to be irritated with Carl. I do like Hershel now that he's not delusional about the Walkers getting better.
I think someone said in another post that Daryl mentioned he knew his gone was gone. I have watched the episode twice and didn't notice him saying that.
The first thing they should have done was MAKE CARL TAKE IT BACK. Then give Carl another gun. And make sure everyone else has one, including the cows.
I don't remember hearing him saying that, but if you do, I believe you. However, that's not really the point. The point is that the kid took a loaded weapon that wasn't his, didn't tell anyone he took it, and then almost lost it in the woods with the walker. And after he came back and told Shane that he had it, and Shane then told Rick, BUT NO ONE TOLD DARRYL!! Shouldn't SOMEONE tell him why it was missing?? Since practically everyone but him knows.0 -
He said "Wish I knew where mine was" referring to his gun. It was when Rick (I think) handed him Dale's gun. They were standing by the truck and Daryl was putting something in the back. Right after he said "Is this Dale's piece?"I agree about Carl having the gun - FIRST THING they should have done was tell Darryl that it was gone- I thought the same thing- he's gonna come riding in on his "white horse" aka Sweet Ride, and reach for the gun when he's out of arrows, and Surprise! WTH? I mean I know these people are scavengers now too, but still, you tell someone when you remove their weapon. Fan of Rick, not a big Lori fan, and starting to be irritated with Carl. I do like Hershel now that he's not delusional about the Walkers getting better.
I think someone said in another post that Daryl mentioned he knew his gone was gone. I have watched the episode twice and didn't notice him saying that.
The first thing they should have done was MAKE CARL TAKE IT BACK. Then give Carl another gun. And make sure everyone else has one, including the cows.
Watched it for the third time (why the heck not!) and yep it was right before Daryl and Rick were about to take Randall out and drop him off. Daryl was loading up the truck.0 -
And Shane told Rick to give it back to Darryl, when he went to talk to him about his crazy kid....he goes and gives the gun BACK to the kid and gives Darryl DALES gun..and STILL didn't say anything AFTER Darryl said he noticed his was missing..0
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Rick is a **** up0
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one thing I liked was when Shane told Rick "You care more about releasing that kid [Randall] than your own son."
All Rick could say was "I'M THE LEADER, IT'S MY CALL, BLAH BLAH BLAH" I'm like really?0 -
one thing I liked was when Shane told Rick "You care more about releasing that kid [Randall] than your own son."
All Rick could say was "I'M THE LEADER, IT'S MY CALL, BLAH BLAH BLAH" I'm like really?
I pretty sure, after rewatching the first two episodes, I saw Rick leave his spine somewhere in Atlanta. He should go back and get it.0 -
one thing I liked was when Shane told Rick "You care more about releasing that kid [Randall] than your own son."
All Rick could say was "I'M THE LEADER, IT'S MY CALL, BLAH BLAH BLAH" I'm like really?
You know it's funny, as a reader of the comic that is EXACTLY what Rick's character is supposed to be. He's a flawed character, no question. He stuggles with leadership because no one else steps up, and he makes very bad decisions. I think it's our tendency to expect the leading man to be a flawless hero, but nope, that is not what Rick is. This is kind of how it is in the real world, no one is perfect, and that's what I like about this story.0 -
one thing I liked was when Shane told Rick "You care more about releasing that kid [Randall] than your own son."
All Rick could say was "I'M THE LEADER, IT'S MY CALL, BLAH BLAH BLAH" I'm like really?
I pretty sure, after rewatching the first two episodes, I saw Rick leave his spine somewhere in Atlanta. He should go back and get it.
Are you watching The Walking Dead or some other show with a guy named "Rick?"
Here's how he was spineless this season, just from my memory:
1. Lured two zombies away from Sophia, then ambused them and killed them with a big rock.
2. Gave blood transfusions to his son to the point where his health was in danger.
3. Corralled a walker with a rope and a stick.
4. Endangered everyone's lives searching for Sophia relentlessly.
5. Shot a little girl zombie (again) that he knew personally, who's mom was standing right there.
6. Killed, not one, but two very dangerous men with guns on a fast draw when they were one opposite sides of him.
7. Ripped Randall's leg off an wrought iron spiked fence.
8. Stood up to his best friend and got in a nasty fist fight.
9. Killed three walkers LAYING ON TOP OF HIM, one though the mouth of another.
10. Stabbed a Shane with a knife while Shane had a gun drawn on him.
So spineless? Really? Come on now. Unless to you that means "makes horrible decisions," I really can't agree.0 -
one thing I liked was when Shane told Rick "You care more about releasing that kid [Randall] than your own son."
All Rick could say was "I'M THE LEADER, IT'S MY CALL, BLAH BLAH BLAH" I'm like really?
I pretty sure, after rewatching the first two episodes, I saw Rick leave his spine somewhere in Atlanta. He should go back and get it.
Are you watching The Walking Dead or some other show with a guy named "Rick?"
Here's how he was spineless this season, just from my memory:
1. Lured two zombies away from Sophia, then ambused them and killed them with a big rock.
2. Gave blood transfusions to his son to the point where his health was in danger.
3. Corralled a walker with a rope and a stick.
4. Endangered everyone's lives searching for Sophia relentlessly.
5. Shot a little girl zombie (again) that he knew personally, who's mom was standing right there.
6. Killed, not one, but two very dangerous men with guns on a fast draw when they were one opposite sides of him.
7. Ripped Randall's leg off an wrought iron spiked fence.
8. Stood up to his best friend and got in a nasty fist fight.
9. Killed three walkers LAYING ON TOP OF HIM, one though the mouth of another.
10. Stabbed a Shane with a knife while Shane had a gun drawn on him.
So spineless? Really? Come on now. Unless to you that means "makes horrible decisions," I really can't agree.
Thank you joelabro, I agree with absolutely everything you've just said!! And I do recall one episode where Lori and Andrea were arguing about Rick's leadership abilities, and Lori said right to her that Rick may not be the best at the job, but he's the only one to stand up and take the responsibility of it. No one else would. In my opinion, if you aren't going to have the stones to make the tough decisions, you don't have the right to complain about what decisions are being made.0 -
I know this is a show and there needs to be drama. But IMO, if Glenn didn't save Rick from that Tank then the characters would've been a lot happier.
-Andrea would still have her sister
-Lori and Shane would've probably been together
-Carl would've had a father that could at least go 20 seconds in a single episode where he didn't leave on some hero mission that caused everyone else to get attacked
-Shane probably wouldn't have went as crazy as he did
-Dale would be alive
-Daryl would have his racist brother
-Sophia would've been alive
So Rick might have a "spine" and be the Rambo of the zombie world, but I'm still routing for him to do something stupid to get someone he cares about killed and then break down because of it.
Btw, Shane was doing THAT bad of job BEFORE Rick showed up and claimed leadership for his own. HE led them to the CDC and for what? A hot shower and a night of drinking? HE left the camp with 3 men, one of which was a good tracker and left the camp unguarded. HE gave away more firearms to strangers in the first season than he kept for himself. The only good choice he made was forcing them to go look for Sophia which in turn found the farm (after his kid got shot)
But what's done is done. Rick has no one to yell at him now so he has no reason to quote himself saying "I'm the leader!" I still hate his face though. It haunts my dreams0 -
I know this is a show and there needs to be drama. But IMO, if Glenn didn't save Rick from that Tank then the characters would've been a lot happier.
-Andrea would still have her sister
-Lori and Shane would've probably been together
-Carl would've had a father that could at least go 20 seconds in a single episode where he didn't leave on some hero mission that caused everyone else to get attacked
-Shane probably wouldn't have went as crazy as he did
-Dale would be alive
-Daryl would have his racist brother
-Sophia would've been alive
So Rick might have a "spine" and be the Rambo of the zombie world, but I'm still routing for him to do something stupid to get someone he cares about killed and then break down because of it.
Most of what you say stems from them having to leave the Atlanta camp. They left the camp because of the walker attack. Rick did not lead the walkers there, he just wasn't there and had three other guys and some of the weapons so he didn't help in the camp defense. They couldn't have stayed there forever. Who knows what else would have happened.0 -
I know this is a show and there needs to be drama. But IMO, if Glenn didn't save Rick from that Tank then the characters would've been a lot happier.
-Andrea would still have her sister
-Lori and Shane would've probably been together
-Carl would've had a father that could at least go 20 seconds in a single episode where he didn't leave on some hero mission that caused everyone else to get attacked
-Shane probably wouldn't have went as crazy as he did
-Dale would be alive
-Daryl would have his racist brother
-Sophia would've been alive
So Rick might have a "spine" and be the Rambo of the zombie world, but I'm still routing for him to do something stupid to get someone he cares about killed and then break down because of it.
Most of what you say stems from them having to leave the Atlanta camp. They left the camp because of the walker attack. Rick did not lead the walkers there, he just wasn't there and had three other guys and some of the weapons so he didn't help in the camp defense. They couldn't have stayed there forever. Who knows what else would have happened.
Rick has never been my favorite character, comic or show. I'm a big Daryl fan and I was liking Shane still being alive up until the middle of that last episode.0 -
True he didn't lead the walkers there. But Glenn DID show up in a car blazing it's alarm for however many miles it was tot he camp. We all know walkers are attracted to sound and usually keep on that same path unless otherwise distracted.I know this is a show and there needs to be drama. But IMO, if Glenn didn't save Rick from that Tank then the characters would've been a lot happier.
-Andrea would still have her sister
-Lori and Shane would've probably been together
-Carl would've had a father that could at least go 20 seconds in a single episode where he didn't leave on some hero mission that caused everyone else to get attacked
-Shane probably wouldn't have went as crazy as he did
-Dale would be alive
-Daryl would have his racist brother
-Sophia would've been alive
So Rick might have a "spine" and be the Rambo of the zombie world, but I'm still routing for him to do something stupid to get someone he cares about killed and then break down because of it.
Most of what you say stems from them having to leave the Atlanta camp. They left the camp because of the walker attack. Rick did not lead the walkers there, he just wasn't there and had three other guys and some of the weapons so he didn't help in the camp defense. They couldn't have stayed there forever. Who knows what else would have happened.
No Rick=no car alarm
Sure they could've been attacked at any given time but the events in the order that they happened all steamed from Rick getting saved from that tank. Honestly, I guess we could blame Glenn for everything since he was the one that saved him.0 -
True he didn't lead the walkers there. But Glenn DID show up in a car blazing it's alarm for however many miles it was tot he camp. We all know walkers are attracted to sound and usually keep on that same path unless otherwise distracted.I know this is a show and there needs to be drama. But IMO, if Glenn didn't save Rick from that Tank then the characters would've been a lot happier.
-Andrea would still have her sister
-Lori and Shane would've probably been together
-Carl would've had a father that could at least go 20 seconds in a single episode where he didn't leave on some hero mission that caused everyone else to get attacked
-Shane probably wouldn't have went as crazy as he did
-Dale would be alive
-Daryl would have his racist brother
-Sophia would've been alive
So Rick might have a "spine" and be the Rambo of the zombie world, but I'm still routing for him to do something stupid to get someone he cares about killed and then break down because of it.
Most of what you say stems from them having to leave the Atlanta camp. They left the camp because of the walker attack. Rick did not lead the walkers there, he just wasn't there and had three other guys and some of the weapons so he didn't help in the camp defense. They couldn't have stayed there forever. Who knows what else would have happened.
No Rick=no car alarm
Sure they could've been attacked at any given time but the events in the order that they happened all steamed from Rick getting saved from that tank. Honestly, I guess we could blame Glenn for everything since he was the one that saved him.
Yeah blame Glenn!!! That car alarm scene was funny. You have to wonder if that was really it though. Remember the walker they killed eating Darly's deer? It was Daryl's first scene. those lone stragglers are kind of sign of the bigger horde moving in, like the one that got Dale. Point is, you can't escape the zombies. They are slow and dumb, but they don't stop coming, ever.0 -
the zombie herds... was thinking about that church that they cut the alarm from - they should have something like that - car alarm or something, that draws them away.0
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This is exactly what I did when Rick stabbed him lol
I had tears in my eyes :[ you could see the whole bromance thing they had going on just spark back as soon as he did that; Shane was like *shocked face* & Rick was like *wtf did I just do* face.
This is true. I think I wanted to cry for Shane, but I held so much resentment towards him. Dale, was another story. I bawled my eyes out lol. I even cried at the beginning of last night's episode when Rick was talking about him
Dale just annoyed me. I'm such a saddo, a week later & everytime I see a picture of Shane, it makes me well up hahaha.0
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