Did This Dad Go Too Far?
Replies
-
he did us all a favor by taking him out of society.
child molesters should not get a second chance.
I am in no way condoning child molestation, but what right did this man have to take another person's life? It wasn't "justice", it was murder.0 -
he did us all a favor by taking him out of society.
child molesters should not get a second chance.
I am in no way condoning child molestation, but what right did this man have to take another person's life? It wasn't "justice", it was murder.
he walked in on a guy raping his daughter. maybe he didnt feel safe just picking his daughter up and trying to walk out. i wouldnt turn my back on someone like that. that guy probably realizes his life is over and has nothing to lose.
furthermore you get the bonus of your daughter never having to worry that guy is going to get out of jail and come after her.0 -
he did us all a favor by taking him out of society.
child molesters should not get a second chance.
I am in no way condoning child molestation, but what right did this man have to take another person's life? It wasn't "justice", it was murder.
he walked in on a guy raping his daughter. maybe he didnt feel safe just picking his daughter up and trying to walk out. i wouldnt turn my back on someone like that. that guy probably realizes his life is over and has nothing to lose.
furthermore you get the bonus of your daughter never having to worry that guy is going to get out of jail and come after her.
Sexual molestation =/= Rape.
ETA: Again, I understand the animosity toward child molestation - it is disgusting and the man had no right to do anything like that to this little girl. But the father murdered another man, who is also someone's child, also part of other people's lives. Even if he did it out of protection, what he did is a huge deal, and there are consequences for this. Does this man honestly think that he hasn't caused his daughter additional trauma by murdering another human being? You can't just let a murderer get away with a "slap on the wrist" as so many people here seem to want - crimes of passion are still crimes.0 -
I have to read three pages, but the answer to the thread's question is simple.
no.0 -
he did us all a favor by taking him out of society.
child molesters should not get a second chance.
I am in no way condoning child molestation, but what right did this man have to take another person's life? It wasn't "justice", it was murder.
he walked in on a guy raping his daughter. maybe he didnt feel safe just picking his daughter up and trying to walk out. i wouldnt turn my back on someone like that. that guy probably realizes his life is over and has nothing to lose.
furthermore you get the bonus of your daughter never having to worry that guy is going to get out of jail and come after her.
Sexual molestation =/= Rape.
ETA: Again, I understand the animosity toward child molestation - it is disgusting and the man had no right to do anything like that to this little girl. But the father murdered another man, who is also someone's child, also part of other people's lives. Even if he did it out of protection, what he did is a huge deal, and there are consequences for this. Does this man honestly think that he hasn't caused his daughter additional trauma by murdering another human being? You can't just let a murderer get away with a "slap on the wrist" as so many people here seem to want - crimes of passion are still crimes.
rape or molestation...doesnt matter to me. and of course you can let him off without charging him and that is the likely outcome.
as for the child's trauma caused by killing the guy i think she is better off than having to worry about the day he gets out of jail. i knew someone in that situation and she dreaded the day he was going to get released.
so what should he have done? said excuse me please get off my daughter and we'll be on our way ill be calling the police?0 -
he did us all a favor by taking him out of society.
child molesters should not get a second chance.
I am in no way condoning child molestation, but what right did this man have to take another person's life? It wasn't "justice", it was murder.
he walked in on a guy raping his daughter. maybe he didnt feel safe just picking his daughter up and trying to walk out. i wouldnt turn my back on someone like that. that guy probably realizes his life is over and has nothing to lose.
furthermore you get the bonus of your daughter never having to worry that guy is going to get out of jail and come after her.
Sexual molestation =/= Rape.
ETA: Again, I understand the animosity toward child molestation - it is disgusting and the man had no right to do anything like that to this little girl. But the father murdered another man, who is also someone's child, also part of other people's lives. Even if he did it out of protection, what he did is a huge deal, and there are consequences for this. Does this man honestly think that he hasn't caused his daughter additional trauma by murdering another human being? You can't just let a murderer get away with a "slap on the wrist" as so many people here seem to want - crimes of passion are still crimes.
rape or molestation...doesnt matter to me. and of course you can let him off without charging him and that is the likely outcome.
as for the child's trauma caused by killing the guy i think she is better off than having to worry about the day he gets out of jail. i knew someone in that situation and she dreaded the day he was going to get released.
so what should he have done? said excuse me please get off my daughter and we'll be on our way ill be calling the police?
You can protect someone from sexual assault without having to kill the offender. I'm not saying that her father should have sat idly by and let his daughter be attacked - as her father, it's his duty to protect her - but no one has a right to kill another being. People intervene in sexual assault and rape every day without murdering the other person. The solution to violence is not more violence.0 -
he did us all a favor by taking him out of society.
child molesters should not get a second chance.
I am in no way condoning child molestation, but what right did this man have to take another person's life? It wasn't "justice", it was murder.
but it wasn't. if he grabbed his shotgun and took care of things, yes. it would have been murder. as it was described, though, it wasn't.0 -
It has been said that the Dad did not intend on killing the man. The death just occurred from the injury he suffered.I absolutely do think this father went too far. What happened to his daughter was awful, and he was absolutely within his right to protect her - but at no point did he have a right to take another person's life. I don't feel that the punishment fit the crime - if the man was threatening his daughter's life, violence might be necessary, but in this case it was not the correct response.
The father took another person's life, and while he did it out of defense for his daughter, he should be punished accordingly.0 -
he did us all a favor by taking him out of society.
child molesters should not get a second chance.
I am in no way condoning child molestation, but what right did this man have to take another person's life? It wasn't "justice", it was murder.
he walked in on a guy raping his daughter. maybe he didnt feel safe just picking his daughter up and trying to walk out. i wouldnt turn my back on someone like that. that guy probably realizes his life is over and has nothing to lose.
furthermore you get the bonus of your daughter never having to worry that guy is going to get out of jail and come after her.
Sexual molestation =/= Rape.
ETA: Again, I understand the animosity toward child molestation - it is disgusting and the man had no right to do anything like that to this little girl. But the father murdered another man, who is also someone's child, also part of other people's lives. Even if he did it out of protection, what he did is a huge deal, and there are consequences for this. Does this man honestly think that he hasn't caused his daughter additional trauma by murdering another human being? You can't just let a murderer get away with a "slap on the wrist" as so many people here seem to want - crimes of passion are still crimes.
rape or molestation...doesnt matter to me. and of course you can let him off without charging him and that is the likely outcome.
as for the child's trauma caused by killing the guy i think she is better off than having to worry about the day he gets out of jail. i knew someone in that situation and she dreaded the day he was going to get released.
so what should he have done? said excuse me please get off my daughter and we'll be on our way ill be calling the police?
You can protect someone from sexual assault without having to kill the offender. I'm not saying that her father should have sat idly by and let his daughter be attacked - as her father, it's his duty to protect her - but no one has a right to kill another being. People intervene in sexual assault and rape every day without murdering the other person. The solution to violence is not more violence.
of course people have the right to kill others in some situations.0 -
he did us all a favor by taking him out of society.
child molesters should not get a second chance.
I am in no way condoning child molestation, but what right did this man have to take another person's life? It wasn't "justice", it was murder.
he walked in on a guy raping his daughter. maybe he didnt feel safe just picking his daughter up and trying to walk out. i wouldnt turn my back on someone like that. that guy probably realizes his life is over and has nothing to lose.
furthermore you get the bonus of your daughter never having to worry that guy is going to get out of jail and come after her.
Sexual molestation =/= Rape.
ETA: Again, I understand the animosity toward child molestation - it is disgusting and the man had no right to do anything like that to this little girl. But the father murdered another man, who is also someone's child, also part of other people's lives. Even if he did it out of protection, what he did is a huge deal, and there are consequences for this. Does this man honestly think that he hasn't caused his daughter additional trauma by murdering another human being? You can't just let a murderer get away with a "slap on the wrist" as so many people here seem to want - crimes of passion are still crimes.
rape or molestation...doesnt matter to me. and of course you can let him off without charging him and that is the likely outcome.
as for the child's trauma caused by killing the guy i think she is better off than having to worry about the day he gets out of jail. i knew someone in that situation and she dreaded the day he was going to get released.
so what should he have done? said excuse me please get off my daughter and we'll be on our way ill be calling the police?
You can protect someone from sexual assault without having to kill the offender. I'm not saying that her father should have sat idly by and let his daughter be attacked - as her father, it's his duty to protect her - but no one has a right to kill another being. People intervene in sexual assault and rape every day without murdering the other person. The solution to violence is not more violence.
of course people have the right to kill others in some situations.
this, too.
(there are consequences to actions. sorry, bad guys.)0 -
he did us all a favor by taking him out of society.
child molesters should not get a second chance.
I am in no way condoning child molestation, but what right did this man have to take another person's life? It wasn't "justice", it was murder.
he walked in on a guy raping his daughter. maybe he didnt feel safe just picking his daughter up and trying to walk out. i wouldnt turn my back on someone like that. that guy probably realizes his life is over and has nothing to lose.
furthermore you get the bonus of your daughter never having to worry that guy is going to get out of jail and come after her.
Sexual molestation =/= Rape.
ETA: Again, I understand the animosity toward child molestation - it is disgusting and the man had no right to do anything like that to this little girl. But the father murdered another man, who is also someone's child, also part of other people's lives. Even if he did it out of protection, what he did is a huge deal, and there are consequences for this. Does this man honestly think that he hasn't caused his daughter additional trauma by murdering another human being? You can't just let a murderer get away with a "slap on the wrist" as so many people here seem to want - crimes of passion are still crimes.
rape or molestation...doesnt matter to me. and of course you can let him off without charging him and that is the likely outcome.
as for the child's trauma caused by killing the guy i think she is better off than having to worry about the day he gets out of jail. i knew someone in that situation and she dreaded the day he was going to get released.
so what should he have done? said excuse me please get off my daughter and we'll be on our way ill be calling the police?
You can protect someone from sexual assault without having to kill the offender. I'm not saying that her father should have sat idly by and let his daughter be attacked - as her father, it's his duty to protect her - but no one has a right to kill another being. People intervene in sexual assault and rape every day without murdering the other person. The solution to violence is not more violence.
of course people have the right to kill others in some situations.
In the case where someone's life is threatened, maybe.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. In my opinion, the man went too far.0 -
in that case, for you, only 'maybe?'
huh.
*smh*0 -
in that case, for you, only 'maybe?'
huh.
*smh*
Only maybe. There are self-defense moves that can deter an attacker without killing them. If taking another life can be avoided, I'd choose that option - killing in self-defense would absolutely be a last resort, so I consider it a maybe. Violence isn't really my thing.0 -
violence isn't 'my thing,' either. but when it is required, I'm OK with that.
(particularly if it means safety for myself or a loved one. shoot, even a stranger, for that matter.)0 -
violence isn't 'my thing,' either. but when it is required, I'm OK with that.
(particularly if it means safety for myself or a loved one. shoot, even a stranger, for that matter.)
I think I did acknowledge that sometimes it's necessary, however, I didn't believe it was necessary in this situation.0 -
he did us all a favor by taking him out of society.
child molesters should not get a second chance.
I am in no way condoning child molestation, but what right did this man have to take another person's life? It wasn't "justice", it was murder.
These child molesters take childrens lives everyday,they pretty much destroy their lives and childhood,and the justice system is far to easy on them. If I caught someone doing this to my daughter i would probobly react the same way and not lose a wink of sleep over it0 -
I think he over reacted. I think he should have calmly removed his child from harm, and immediately started counselling her while having someone else there contact the police.
Instead he subjected an already (probably) traumatised child to even more trauma by carrying out on act of extraordinary violence in front of her. And if, which is likely, she didn't think she had done anything wrong personally she certainly will now.
That poor kid.0 -
I think investigations are important enough that we should discourage this kind of act whenever possible.
Suppose someone like this guy is kind of an a-hole who doesn't care about exploiting the trauma that kids through when they're molested. Suppose some father, similar to this guy, doesn't like that some person is mouthing off to him and decides to beat snot out of the snotty person and kills him/her in the process. And since this guy is an a-hole and doesn't care about lying about child molestation, he decides it's easier to say he caught someone molesting his child and acted on that.
The kid is terrified to do anything that would take away her father, so she goes along with the lie, or is otherwise too young to get any useful information from. Pretty easy way to get out of beating some snotty person to death who can't defend themselves (cause they're now dead).
I'm not saying that happened here, but it's an example of why we don't encourage each other to act on our violent instincts by giving people passes for manslaughter.0 -
I think he over reacted. I think he should have calmly removed his child from harm, and immediately started counselling her ....
um .. did I miss the sarcasm font? because I struggle to understand how the word 'calmly' could ever possibly enter this situation.0 -
I think he over reacted. I think he should have calmly removed his child from harm, and immediately started counselling her ....
um .. did I miss the sarcasm font? because I struggle to understand how the word 'calmly' could ever possibly enter this situation.
It is possible to behave calmly without actually feeling calm. I believe the word 'calmly' should enter any situation that involves young children.0 -
mmkay.0
-
Sexual molestation =/= Rape.
Wow. Just ... wow.ETA: Again, I understand the animosity toward child molestation - it is disgusting and the man had no right to do anything like that to this little girl. But the father murdered another man, who is also someone's child, also part of other people's lives. Even if he did it out of protection, what he did is a huge deal, and there are consequences for this. Does this man honestly think that he hasn't caused his daughter additional trauma by murdering another human being? You can't just let a murderer get away with a "slap on the wrist" as so many people here seem to want - crimes of passion are still crimes.
It's not like he sat back for three days and thought it out and pre-planned it or even that he INTENDED to kill the guy. I highly doubt you wouldn't have done something very similar in the same situation and unless you have BEEN in that exact situation, don't even try to say you know you wouldn't, because you don't know that.
This is not cold-blooded murder. At MOST it's involuntary and justifiable manslaughter. While it may be counterintuitive to some of you to think this way, the father is a victim here, not the man he killed.0 -
I think he over reacted. I think he should have calmly removed his child from harm, and immediately started counselling her while having someone else there contact the police.
Instead he subjected an already (probably) traumatised child to even more trauma by carrying out on act of extraordinary violence in front of her. And if, which is likely, she didn't think she had done anything wrong personally she certainly will now.
That poor kid.
I would be impressed to see any parent be "calm" in a situation like this. Seriously. Do you have children?0 -
Sexual molestation =/= Rape.
Wow. Just ... wow.
What do you mean "wow"? Rape is sexual assault, but sexual assault does not always mean rape. Both are damaging and traumatizing, but the two terms are not always interchangeable.0 -
It's not like he sat back for three days and thought it out and pre-planned it or even that he INTENDED to kill the guy. I highly doubt you wouldn't have done something very similar in the same situation and unless you have BEEN in that exact situation, don't even try to say you know you wouldn't, because you don't know that.
This is not cold-blooded murder. At MOST it's involuntary and justifiable manslaughter. While it may be counterintuitive to some of you to think this way, the father is a victim here, not the man he killed.
We'll have to agree to disagree.0 -
I guess I am unforgiving and heartless but on a case by case basis and if fully investigated I wouldn't hold this guy accountable for ****. Especially if he didn't mean to kill him and was seeing red. That's the risk the molester took molesting this girl in someones house.He would know better than to get between a bear and her cub. The world is too full of people and plenty of non contributing f-ed up people at that, just complete and utter predators and wastes of space in a society that would function better without them in it. I guess I don't value human life very highly when they are people that have taken the life, rights or seriously traumatized the life of another person. I don't know why we prize human life so highly when it's obvious they aren't worth the skin and bones they are made out of. Why prize and defend the life of a man who's sole purpose is to f$ck up children mentally and physically for his own sexual pleasure, all the problems in the world and we are worried about the life and rights of this guy..........F-that, it's done and now there is one less molester to traumatize and possibly kill children, his effect on them would be like a ripple effect throwing a pebble into the water. Just look at the victims testifying in the Sandusky case, guess what I think we should do with him if he's found guilty.................but hey if you are all for his rights to life after he gets out of prison invite him over to live in your neighborhood.
I worked at a hospital once where this guy came in because he broke his hand beating the crap out of a neighbor he saw molesting a child.................I shook his other hand.0 -
That's the risk the molester took molesting this girl in someones house.He would know better than to get between a bear and her cub.
Exactly.0 -
I guess I am unforgiving and heartless but on a case by case basis and if fully investigated I wouldn't hold this guy accountable for ****. Especially if he didn't mean to kill him and was seeing red. That's the risk the molester took molesting this girl in someones house.He would know better than to get between a bear and her cub. The world is too full of people and plenty of non contributing f-ed up people at that, just complete and utter predators and wastes of space in a society that would function better without them in it. I guess I don't value human life very highly when they are people that have taken the life, rights or seriously traumatized the life of another person. I don't know why we prize human life so highly when it's obvious they aren't worth the skin and bones they are made out of. Why prize and defend the life of a man who's sole purpose is to f$ck up children mentally and physically for his own sexual pleasure, all the problems in the world and we are worried about the life and rights of this guy..........F-that, it's done and now there is one less molester to traumatize and possibly kill children, his effect on them would be like a ripple effect throwing a pebble into the water. Just look at the victims testifying in the Sandusky case, guess what I think we should do with him if he's found guilty.................but hey if you are all for his rights to life after he gets out of prison invite him over to live in your neighborhood.
I worked at a hospital once where this guy came in because he broke his hand beating the crap out of a neighbor he saw molesting a child.................I shook his other hand.
Seriously...why are we not friends? I think I may just love you =P
I'm beginning to believe that there are some people who didn't actually read the news account of what happened. As per the current report, the father delivered a couple of blows to the head that proved fatal (was not his intention to kill, was his intention to remove harm from his child). It was NOT that he stood there mindlessly beating the guy to a bloody pulp. And quite frankly, as a mom, even if he had I would feel ZERO sympathy for the loss of some worthless scumbags life.0 -
Sexual molestation =/= Rape.
Wow. Just ... wow.
What do you mean "wow"? Rape is sexual assault, but sexual assault does not always mean rape. Both are damaging and traumatizing, but the two terms are not always interchangeable.
The two terms may not be interchangable, but if I caught this person doing either the punishment would be the same.0 -
I can see the "letter of the law" correctness of the point I think Evan's trying to make. Everyone has rights, and there is a good reason for the existence of the ACLU. However...
I can see from the replies here that everyone (almost) feels the way I do (give the man a medal), and that's the reason why no sane DA would ever attempt to prosecute this father. He makes possibly the most sympathetic defendant of all time. The only way the prosecutor could have a harder challenge is if the girl was handicapped or something.0
This discussion has been closed.