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  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    But how many humans are as selfless and loving as a dog?

    Seriously? You do realize that there are far more great, selfless people in this world than there are pedophiles. Please. We're not really going to suggest dogs are better "human beings" than people are. Are we?
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    But how many humans are as selfless and loving as a dog?

    Seriously? You do realize that there are far more great, selfless people in this world than there are pedophiles. Please. We're not really going to suggest dogs are better "human beings" than people are. Are we?
    Sure, there are wonderful individual humans, but as a species, yes, dogs are better.

    And I'd still like to know what entity gave life to animals if it was not God and if it was, why is that life disposable?
  • elmarko123
    elmarko123 Posts: 89
    But how many humans are as selfless and loving as a dog?

    Seriously? You do realize that there are far more great, selfless people in this world than there are pedophiles. Please. We're not really going to suggest dogs are better "human beings" than people are. Are we?
    She makes one good point,

    How many dogs have you seen screw each other over for money?. invade another country?, torture another person?, rape children?, murder millions?, genocide?, biological warfare?, drop a nuclear bomb on a civilian city?.

    Dog's have sacrificed themselves for owners & the only dogs which are violent are like that because WE bred them to act that way (or neglected to teach them how to behave).
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    And I'd still like to know what entity gave life to animals if it was not God and if it was, why is that life disposable?

    I think I've explained that. We are made in God's own image and likeness. We have souls, animals do not. This is not suggesting that animals should be mistreated, though.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    And I'd still like to know what entity gave life to animals if it was not God and if it was, why is that life disposable?

    I think I've explained that. We are made in God's own image and likeness. We have souls, animals do not. This is not suggesting that animals should be mistreated, though.
    Well, I disagree. But apparently when people say life is precious, they mean human life only.
  • daffodilsoup
    daffodilsoup Posts: 1,972 Member
    But how many humans are as selfless and loving as a dog?

    Seriously? You do realize that there are far more great, selfless people in this world than there are pedophiles. Please. We're not really going to suggest dogs are better "human beings" than people are. Are we?
    Sure, there are wonderful individual humans, but as a species, yes, dogs are better.

    And I'd still like to know what entity gave life to animals if it was not God and if it was, why is that life disposable?

    If you can start the day without caffeine,
    If you can get going without pep pills,
    If you can always be cheerful, ignoring aches and pains,
    If you can resist complaining and boring people with your troubles,
    If you can eat the same food every day and be grateful for it,
    If you can understand when your loved ones are too busy to give you any time,
    If you can overlook when those you love take it out on you when, through no fault of yours, something goes wrong,
    If you can take criticism and blame without resentment,
    If you can ignore a friend's limited education and never correct him,
    If you can resist treating a rich friend better than a poor friend,
    If you can face the world without lies and deceit,
    If you can conquer tension without medical help,
    If you can relax without liquor,
    If you can sleep without the aid of drugs,
    If you can say honestly that deep in your heart you have no prejudice against creed, color, religion or politics,
    Then, my friend, you are almost as good as your dog.

    :)
  • TheRoadDog
    TheRoadDog Posts: 11,788 Member
    Well, this one ran off the track.
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    Well, this one ran off the track.

    A little bit, huh?
  • Azdak
    Azdak Posts: 8,281 Member
    I also don't get, if you believe God created all life, why a dog's life is disposable but a human's isn't.

    God made humans in his own image and likeness. He breathed life into them, giving them souls. No other animals were created in such a way.

    Just try convincing a cat of that idea.
  • adrian_indy
    adrian_indy Posts: 1,444 Member
    I also don't get, if you believe God created all life, why a dog's life is disposable but a human's isn't.

    God made humans in his own image and likeness. He breathed life into them, giving them souls. No other animals were created in such a way.

    Just try convincing a cat of that idea.

    I have an English Bulldog who is not only homosexual, but a deviant rapist of other dogs and people's legs. But I love him for who he is and have worked for years to rehabilitate him. Not the gay part, just the rapist part.
  • EvanKeel
    EvanKeel Posts: 1,903 Member
    I have an English Bulldog who is not only homosexual, but a deviant rapist of other dogs and people's legs. But I love him for who he is and have worked for years to rehabilitate him. Not the gay part, just the rapist part.

    We had a cat that was in an LTR with a fuzzy slipper of mine. I think they were probably very happy together. I was happy with my new slippers.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    I also don't get, if you believe God created all life, why a dog's life is disposable but a human's isn't.

    God made humans in his own image and likeness. He breathed life into them, giving them souls. No other animals were created in such a way.

    Just try convincing a cat of that idea.

    Irrelevant. Cats do not think they were made in God's image. They think they are gods.
  • elmarko123
    elmarko123 Posts: 89
    I find it odd how so many Christians seem to ignore "Tho shalt not kill" - I'm sure the god you believe in also says something about not judging.

    But I guess the 10 commandments is just a guide you use when it suits you.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    I find it odd how so many Christians seem to ignore "Tho shalt not kill" - I'm sure the god you believe in also says something about not judging.

    But I guess the 10 commandments is just a guide you use when it suits you.

    Who are you talking to?
  • elmarko123
    elmarko123 Posts: 89
    I find it odd how so many Christians seem to ignore "Tho shalt not kill" - I'm sure the god you believe in also says something about not judging.

    But I guess the 10 commandments is just a guide you use when it suits you.

    Who are you talking to?
    Anybody who seems to thinks murder is OK in certain situations & those rubbing there hands gleefully imagining torturing/killing another human (no matte how much they deem them to deserve it).

    Anybody who supports the death penalty.

    So basically, most of the people in this thread I'd wager (who claim to be Christian).
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    I find it odd how so many Christians seem to ignore "Tho shalt not kill" - I'm sure the god you believe in also says something about not judging.

    But I guess the 10 commandments is just a guide you use when it suits you.

    Who are you talking to?
    Anybody who seems to thinks murder is OK in certain situations & those rubbing there hands gleefully imagining torturing/killing another human (no matte how much they deem them to deserve it).

    Anybody who supports the death penalty.

    So basically, most of the people in this thread I'd wager (who claim to be Christian).

    The only person here I saw talking about being Christian (Patti) is against the death penalty and thought the father in this situation was wrong. No one else claimed to be Christian. I don't know if they are, but in this thread, none of them mentioned it.
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    Anybody who seems to thinks murder is OK in certain situations & those rubbing there hands gleefully imagining torturing/killing another human (no matte how much they deem them to deserve it).
    Anybody who supports the death penalty.
    So basically, most of the people in this thread I'd wager (who claim to be Christian).

    What? I never saw where "most" of the people in this thread claim to be Christian. I have, but I've also stated that I am pro-life and do not support the death penalty, not even for pedophiles.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    Anybody who seems to thinks murder is OK in certain situations & those rubbing there hands gleefully imagining torturing/killing another human (no matte how much they deem them to deserve it).
    Anybody who supports the death penalty.
    So basically, most of the people in this thread I'd wager (who claim to be Christian).

    What? I never saw where "most" of the people in this thread claim to be Christian. I have, but I've also stated that I am pro-life and do not support the death penalty, not even for pedophiles.

    Delusional poster is delusional. ;-)
  • Grimmerick
    Grimmerick Posts: 3,342 Member
    Anybody who seems to thinks murder is OK in certain situations & those rubbing there hands gleefully imagining torturing/killing another human (no matte how much they deem them to deserve it).
    Anybody who supports the death penalty.
    So basically, most of the people in this thread I'd wager (who claim to be Christian).

    What? I never saw where "most" of the people in this thread claim to be Christian. I have, but I've also stated that I am pro-life and do not support the death penalty, not even for pedophiles.

    Delusional poster is delusional. ;-)

    That poster doesn't wager so well..............hope they don't go to casino's very often
  • Lozze
    Lozze Posts: 1,917 Member
    But how many humans are as selfless and loving as a dog? When I think of valuable life and compare a baby-raper to.an animal that would die to save or comfort someone, there is no contest. If animals don't have souls or life, then how do they breathe and move? And if your God didn't give them that life, who did?

    I would put a dogs life over a pedophile's. No issues with the father reacting the way he did. If the guy didn't want to die he shouldn't have molested a four year old.

    I still remember a school friends terror when her abuser was let out of goal. I still remember the prick walking up to her when we were in the shops and trying to hug her. (and loving her response of 'why are you hugging me? You raped me at 11. You raped me at 11!') He got attacked and yes it was satisfying.
  • lour441
    lour441 Posts: 543 Member
    Should he not have hit him? Maybe he should have walked in and said "Excuse me sir, would you please stop sexually abusing my daughter?"

    I have no problem with his reaction and I believe him when he said he didn't mean to kill the guy. I would have reacted the same way to protect my daughters.
  • debussyschild
    debussyschild Posts: 804 Member
    So, at no point do you think he should have realized he'd successfully gotten his daughter out of danger and was causing more injury than necessary?

    I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to stop my husband from taking the life of the man who was sexually assaulting his daughter, even if I physically intervened. And I know exactly why: some disgusting pervert is in the process of ruining our daughter's childhood and stealing her innocence just to get off; an act that no matter how aggressive or not, changes a person permanently. F***er deserved what he got.
  • summertime_girl
    summertime_girl Posts: 3,945 Member
    As an outsider looking in, yes, the father definitely went to far. He took a life. He acted as judge, jury, and executioner. We only have his word to go on about the events that occurred.

    But as a parent, he did what any one of us would do, he protected his baby.

    I'm opposed to the death penalty. I don't like how it is applied in this country. But I can't seem to muster an iota of sympathy for a child molester who got killed.
  • megmay2591
    megmay2591 Posts: 621 Member
    I don't believe this man should be charged. It was in the moment that he saw harm being done to his own child, that he reacted. He was protecting his child!
  • Laces_0ut
    Laces_0ut Posts: 3,750 Member
    Grand jury: No indictment against father who killed daughter's alleged abuser

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/19/us/texas-abuser-father/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


    as it should be. he did nothing wrong.
  • TheRoadDog
    TheRoadDog Posts: 11,788 Member
    Grand jury: No indictment against father who killed daughter's alleged abuser

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/19/us/texas-abuser-father/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


    as it should be. he did nothing wrong.

    Just saw that. Justice is served. Now Dad can put this behind him and concentrate on healing his daughter.
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    Just saw that. Justice is served. Now Dad can put this behind him and concentrate on healing his daughter.
    So sad for all of them. Dad seems the type that will have a hard time putting the death of the other man behind him, even if it was an accident.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    Grand jury: No indictment against father who killed daughter's alleged abuser

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/19/us/texas-abuser-father/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


    as it should be. he did nothing wrong.

    Fabulous.

    They released more details over the weekend. I would have done the same in his place, although I probably don't have the strength to kill someone with my bare hands. Then again, adrenaline allows for superhuman acts.
  • TheRoadDog
    TheRoadDog Posts: 11,788 Member
    Just saw that. Justice is served. Now Dad can put this behind him and concentrate on healing his daughter.
    So sad for all of them. Dad seems the type that will have a hard time putting the death of the other man behind him, even if it was an accident.

    I wouldn't lose a minute's sleep. It wouldn't have been an accident either.
  • KayteeBear
    KayteeBear Posts: 1,040 Member
    Honestly, I think maybe he went too far but I'm not upset over it. I mean, that dude would've gotten maybe 2 years in jail or something then he'd be back out in the public. Sometimes I hate the justice system...the people who should be in jail for life only get a few years and the ones that should only get a few years are in jail for life.

    I don't mind that that guy is dead. Just means he won't abuse any other children. And I can completely understand that the father would be so upset and mad that he just lost control and that he truly did accidentally kill the other man.
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