Are you SURE you don't want healthcare for the poor?
MaraDiaz
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Worst TB outbreak in 20 years kept secret
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/state-regional/worst-tb-outbreakin-20-years-kept-secret/nPpLs/
Honestly, there is so much wrong in this story that you'll have to just read it yourselves. I wouldn't know where to begin quoting it.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/state-regional/worst-tb-outbreakin-20-years-kept-secret/nPpLs/
Honestly, there is so much wrong in this story that you'll have to just read it yourselves. I wouldn't know where to begin quoting it.
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I think the poor should have Health Care. I just don't want to pay for it.0
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I think the US should have a military and a police force, but I don't want to pay for that, either. My taxes always have.0
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You already are; you just don't realize it. And funding it through taxes is much cheaper since a) people get medical care before the problem gets expensive, b) people get preventative care to stop future problems, and c) people don't use emergency rooms, which cannot turn them away legally, as their primary form of medical care.I think the poor should have Health Care. I just don't want to pay for it.0 -
The issue is the poor people who can't afford insurance and don't qualify for medicaid are still NOT going to be able to afford the insurance that they are now forced to buy...0
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The issue is the poor people who can't afford insurance and don't qualify for medicaid are still NOT going to be able to afford the insurance that they are now forced to buy...
No argument from me. The jobless poor might or might not get some coverage (not sure how that's supposed to work), but the working poor will get screwed over, as always.0 -
What I find incredibly funny is that anyone thinks the Obama healthcare plan actually has anything to do with healthcare or that the people opposed to it are opposed to providing health care to those in need.0
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What I find incredibly funny is that anyone thinks the Obama healthcare plan actually has anything to do with healthcare or that the people opposed to it are opposed to providing health care to those in need.
I already said I don't like Obama's plan, I think it shifts more of the burden to taxpayers and takes the obligation off of companies to provide a living wage, part of which involves medical care. I also think it allows healthcare corporations to continue to profit in ways they should not be able to from healthcare.
I tend to believe that most people who are against Obama's plan however are not against it for those reasons but are against it because they don't want universal health coverage of any sort in this country.
Also, could you please define 'most in need' and explain what you would cover and how you would fund it?0 -
We had a TB outbreak among middle class people right here in the DFW metro within the last year as well... So I really don't see the correlation. It may not have been the "worst in 20 years"... but it was still pretty damn scary and it really had nothing to do with economic class.0
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We had a TB outbreak among middle class people right here in the DFW metro within the last year as well... So I really don't see the correlation. It may not have been the "worst in 20 years"... but it was still pretty damn scary and it really had nothing to do with economic class.
The thing they're really worried about is non-compliance with taking the long series of antibiotics required to cure it. Stop taking them before you're clear, and you can develop a lethal, drug-resistant strain. And TB spreads most easily in close quarters like jails and shelters. Also, although I don't think the article mentioned this, those with compromised immune systems are much more susceptible. So I'm thinking someone with AIDS who isn't receiving medication is more at risk to be infected and then to carry and spread it.0 -
Why do we keep acting like the poor can't receive health care without health insurance?!0
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Why do we keep acting like the poor can't receive health care without health insurance?!
Because most can't receive adequate and ongoing care, much less preventative care for most issues, without insurance.0 -
Why do we keep acting like the poor can't receive health care without health insurance?!
Because somewhere somehow insurance = care.... Don't know how that happened but it did... must be some voodoo correlation thing... I blame Europeans.
Too bad we can't barter chickens for innoculations anymore... :laugh: 0 -
Why do we keep acting like the poor can't receive health care without health insurance?!
The poor can get emergency services. Care, including medications for chronic issues, no. And what about the lower middle class who doesn't receive health insurance working two 30 hour/week jobs, making barely over $10/hour, while paying for food and daycare and housing? What about them? They make too much for Medicare/Medicaid, don't have it through their employers, and can't afford it on their own.0 -
Why do we keep acting like the poor can't receive health care without health insurance?!
Because most can't receive adequate and ongoing care, much less preventative care for most issues, without insurance.
It is not required to have an insurance card to get preventative care... go into any health care clinic and you will get billed regardless of whether you have insurance... of course if you have insurance, you just paid for the preventative care before you went in via the premiums... Most people that I know that work in clinics would rather not have to deal with insurance... too much paperwork.0 -
Why do we keep acting like the poor can't receive health care without health insurance?!
The poor can get emergency services. Care, including medications for chronic issues, no. And what about the lower middle class who doesn't receive health insurance working two 30 hour/week jobs, making barely over $10/hour, while paying for food and daycare and housing? What about them? They make too much for Medicare/Medicaid, don't have it through their employers, and can't afford it on their own.
I would hate to live in the State that you do, if this is true.0 -
I would hate to live in the State that you do, if this is true.
That would be true in every state, except for MA. Just look up the term "working poor".0 -
I would hate to live in the State that you do, if this is true.
That would be true in every state, except for MA. Just look up the term "working poor".
Indeed. And clinics and hospitals and certainly doctors don't have to see you if you can't pay unless it's a life threatening emergency. We had a guy around here rob a bank recently. His reason? He wanted to go to jail so he could get medical care for his ruptured discs and a lump in his chest that he feared was cancer.0 -
The poor can get emergency services.
Sure, if you consider having a runny nose to be an emergency service. "The poor" go to the ER for everything, and that is not going to change with Obamatax. You know why? Because it's too much trouble to call a doctor for an appointment, wait for the appointment, remember the appointment, and actually show up for the appointment. They won't go to the doctor for preventive care. They'll wait until they get sick and keep clogging up the ER because the ER cannot, by law, turn them away, and they know it.And what about the lower middle class who doesn't receive health insurance working two 30 hour/week jobs, making barely over $10/hour, while paying for food and daycare and housing? What about them? They make too much for Medicare/Medicaid, don't have it through their employers, and can't afford it on their own.
If you can't pay for insurance, you shouldn't get to have insurance. Life sucks. But you don't have a "right" to anything that has to be paid for by someone else. And I'd like to know how many of these people who allegedly can't afford health insurance are miraculously able to afford cigarettes and beer and $50,000 cars and flat screen TVs and cell phones and $200 jeans and the latest video game systems. If health insurance were that important, surely it'd be higher on the list. When you're paying your own bills and aren't relying on the fruits of other people's labor, you don't have to answer for what you do with your money, but when you're stealing from my paycheck, you most certainly do.
I am so unbelievably sick of the half of this country that pays zero taxes whining about how the half that does pay taxes is somehow not paying enough. We'd get a lot of this ridiculousness cleaned up in a hurry if everyone had some skin in the game.0 -
The poor can get emergency services.
Sure, if you consider having a runny nose to be an emergency service. "The poor" go to the ER for everything, and that is not going to change with Obamatax. You know why? Because it's too much trouble to call a doctor for an appointment, wait for the appointment, remember the appointment, and actually show up for the appointment. They won't go to the doctor for preventive care. They'll wait until they get sick and keep clogging up the ER because the ER cannot, by law, turn them away, and they know it.And what about the lower middle class who doesn't receive health insurance working two 30 hour/week jobs, making barely over $10/hour, while paying for food and daycare and housing? What about them? They make too much for Medicare/Medicaid, don't have it through their employers, and can't afford it on their own.
If you can't pay for insurance, you shouldn't get to have insurance. Life sucks. But you don't have a "right" to anything that has to be paid for by someone else. And I'd like to know how many of these people who allegedly can't afford health insurance are miraculously able to afford cigarettes and beer and $50,000 cars and flat screen TVs and cell phones and $200 jeans and the latest video game systems. If health insurance were that important, surely it'd be higher on the list. When you're paying your own bills and aren't relying on the fruits of other people's labor, you don't have to answer for what you do with your money, but when you're stealing from my paycheck, you most certainly do.
I am so unbelievably sick of the half of this country that pays zero taxes whining about how the half that does pay taxes is somehow not paying enough. We'd get a lot of this ridiculousness cleaned up in a hurry if everyone had some skin in the game.
This might be the most disappointing thing I've read on this board so far.
And btw, can we assume you did not get a "free" public education since life should suck for those who can't afford things?0 -
I would hate to live in the State that you do, if this is true.
That would be true in every state, except for MA. Just look up the term "working poor".
I know what working poor is... don't be condescending.... I've lived it.... In the cities that I have lived in there have been places where the working poor can get adequate care without insurance... Hell, I work right across the street from one such clinic (which btw also includes dentistry and pediatrics). So while it may be true in your city or your state it's not true everywhere... I know the clinic I go to, they constantly work with the uninsured... again, they would rather see the uninsured because they don't have to deal with insurance companies. You could walk into just about any clinic here and be taken care of regardless of whether you have insurance... insurance is not nor should it ever be a requirement to recieve care... and people need to realize that ER's are the most expensive place to get care... particularly for the uninsured... I also live in a State where clinics are allowed in pharmacies (which are the cheapest place to get health care).... And people don't realize this but most of the time, clinics will take whatever you can give them towards paying a bill off (though working with their billing office is a better bet)... I don't know how many times I have had a rather large medical bill from a clinic and said "I can only pay $50 this week. I will pay some more when I get paid" and they were fine with that.0 -
The poor can get emergency services.
Sure, if you consider having a runny nose to be an emergency service. "The poor" go to the ER for everything, and that is not going to change with Obamatax. You know why? Because it's too much trouble to call a doctor for an appointment, wait for the appointment, remember the appointment, and actually show up for the appointment. They won't go to the doctor for preventive care. They'll wait until they get sick and keep clogging up the ER because the ER cannot, by law, turn them away, and they know it.And what about the lower middle class who doesn't receive health insurance working two 30 hour/week jobs, making barely over $10/hour, while paying for food and daycare and housing? What about them? They make too much for Medicare/Medicaid, don't have it through their employers, and can't afford it on their own.
If you can't pay for insurance, you shouldn't get to have insurance. Life sucks. But you don't have a "right" to anything that has to be paid for by someone else. And I'd like to know how many of these people who allegedly can't afford health insurance are miraculously able to afford cigarettes and beer and $50,000 cars and flat screen TVs and cell phones and $200 jeans and the latest video game systems. If health insurance were that important, surely it'd be higher on the list. When you're paying your own bills and aren't relying on the fruits of other people's labor, you don't have to answer for what you do with your money, but when you're stealing from my paycheck, you most certainly do.
I am so unbelievably sick of the half of this country that pays zero taxes whining about how the half that does pay taxes is somehow not paying enough. We'd get a lot of this ridiculousness cleaned up in a hurry if everyone had some skin in the game.
Thank you so much for this post. I agree 110%.
I actually was listening to 'Fortunate Son' by CCR on my way home from lunch and had to turn the channel because of the lines about people with "a silver spoon only helping themselves" and not being foturnate because you aren't a millionaires son.
I'm considered poor and I'm sick of the rich being given such a bad rap. My boyfriend and I look up to successful, wealthy people. We want to have nice cars, vacation in nice places and have nice things but the only way we will ever get there is by working very, hard and having lots of ambition. Brian and I are striving for a successful life together and to live the American dream.. I wonder why we want those things. If we work our *kitten* of to obtain those goals, poor people are going to judge us and complain about how we have so much and they have so little. I'm scared for us to work our way up to success and wealth because it seems to be a trap.0 -
I would hate to live in the State that you do, if this is true.
That would be true in every state, except for MA. Just look up the term "working poor".
I know what working poor is... don't be condescending.... I've lived it.... In the cities that I have lived in there have been places where the working poor can get adequate care without insurance... Hell, I work right across the street from one such clinic (which btw also includes dentistry and pediatrics). So while it may be true in your city or your state it's not true everywhere... I know the clinic I go to, they constantly work with the uninsured... again, they would rather see the uninsured because they don't have to deal with insurance companies. You could walk into just about any clinic here and be taken care of regardless of whether you have insurance... insurance is not nor should it ever be a requirement to recieve care... and people need to realize that ER's are the most expensive place to get care... particularly for the uninsured... I also live in a State where clinics are allowed in pharmacies (which are the cheapest place to get health care).... And people don't realize this but most of the time, clinics will take whatever you can give them towards paying a bill off (though working with their billing office is a better bet)... I don't know how many times I have had a rather large medical bill from a clinic and said "I can only pay $50 this week. I will pay some more when I get paid" and they were fine with that.
I have to agree with the above. In both Ohio and Texas, I have been to community health clinics that base your fee on your income. The most I ever paid was $4. Makes me wonder how many people are just completely unaware of what services their local health departments offer; and just how many can't be bothered to find out because the ER will never turn them away.0 -
If you'll read the article this thread was based on, you might come to understand that lack of healthcare for the poorest in this nation actually can endanger not just your upward mobility, but your life.0
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If you'll read the article this thread was based on, you might come to understand that lack of healthcare for the poorest in this nation actually can endanger not just your upward mobility, but your life.
I don't think anyone disagrees with this (at least I don't and I don't think I have ever met anyone that does)... I think the disagreement comes when trying to figure out how to get the healthcare to the people that need it the most.0 -
That is false. We offer health care for the uninsured in this country. We have free clinics that will provide preventative care, as well. It may be inconvenient to have to wait for hours, it may not be the prettiest facility, and it may require driving out of your immediate area, but it's there.Because most can't receive adequate and ongoing care, much less preventative care for most issues, without insurance.0 -
If you'll read the article this thread was based on, you might come to understand that lack of healthcare for the poorest in this nation actually can endanger not just your upward mobility, but your life.
I don't think anyone disagrees with this (at least I don't and I don't think I have ever met anyone that does)... I think the disagreement comes when trying to figure out how to get the healthcare to the people that need it the most.
Given a choice between paying more taxes and letting the poor die in the streets, many would choose to let them die. And I don't see how healthcare can be provided to those who cannot afford it unless it is through taxation.0 -
I would hate to live in the State that you do, if this is true.
That would be true in every state, except for MA. Just look up the term "working poor".
I know what working poor is... don't be condescending.... I've lived it.... In the cities that I have lived in there have been places where the working poor can get adequate care without insurance... Hell, I work right across the street from one such clinic (which btw also includes dentistry and pediatrics). So while it may be true in your city or your state it's not true everywhere... I know the clinic I go to, they constantly work with the uninsured... again, they would rather see the uninsured because they don't have to deal with insurance companies. You could walk into just about any clinic here and be taken care of regardless of whether you have insurance... insurance is not nor should it ever be a requirement to recieve care... and people need to realize that ER's are the most expensive place to get care... particularly for the uninsured... I also live in a State where clinics are allowed in pharmacies (which are the cheapest place to get health care).... And people don't realize this but most of the time, clinics will take whatever you can give them towards paying a bill off (though working with their billing office is a better bet)... I don't know how many times I have had a rather large medical bill from a clinic and said "I can only pay $50 this week. I will pay some more when I get paid" and they were fine with that.
I have to agree with the above. In both Ohio and Texas, I have been to community health clinics that base your fee on your income. The most I ever paid was $4. Makes me wonder how many people are just completely unaware of what services their local health departments offer; and just how many can't be bothered to find out because the ER will never turn them away.
Or because they don't want to pay even $4. That's a pack of cigarettes.. or for $10 they can get a dimebag of weed. Hospital is always free. Plus you can go to the ER and say you hurt somehwere and get good drugs. Or if you have a cold, they will treat you at the ER rather than paying $8 for a bottle of Robitussin.0 -
The way I see it, we have 3 choices:
Make the minimum wage a true living wage
Continue to pay higher taxes for the working poor to go to free clinics and the ER for care
Cut off care and pay for more riot police and prisons as the working poor revolt
And even if you pick 'make the minimum wage a living wage' you still have to worry about people who are unemployed and need healthcare.0 -
Except the minimum wage will alway be the minimum wage... if you increase the minimum wage to be the living wage, you would have to increase what those making the "living wage" would get... then prices will inflate because there is a much larger influx of money floating around... and we are right back were we started.0
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Except the minimum wage will alway be the minimum wage... if you increase the minimum wage to be the living wage, you would have to increase what those making the "living wage" would get... then prices will inflate because there is a much larger influx of money floating around... and we are right back were we started.
Inflation, destroying the value of the dollar, killing of business, higher unemployment. So many things wrong with raising min. wage...0
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