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Lets keep that in mind and be respectful regardless ones views on the election outcomes or issues.
Thank you and good night.
I think we Single Peeps did a great job of being nice to another! I did not see any attacking anywhere, only thoughtful discussion! Unlike the main forums...0 -
I was mostly nice. Besides, I get to be snarky because I don't like either one of them.
But I do wonder, looking at the election map, why all the big cattle states went for the guy who claims he'll make government smaller and cut spending. Don't they know how bad off they'll be if water subsidies get cut and their beef prices shoot up to a hundred bucks a pound?
As a low carber and big meat eater, I'm against ending government handouts.
And with that, I'm signing out. Have a good night, all.0 -
I disagree with the part that only mentions two parties.
False dichotomy. VOTE THIRD PARTY! Wooooo
I did agree with the message intent though. I do get frustrated when people are too busy being blind to see that good and bad can come from anywhere.
Completely agree with this. Two party system in America is broken. No real choice.
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No real choice, but of the two bad candidates in a broken and corrupt system, the least bad guy won. So yay. I guess...
Now back to business as usual...
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So the question is:
Since I was told repeatedly by "mainstream (lol) republicans" that voting for Ron Paul, or supporting him
during the primary would be "wasting my vote (lol)", can I now laugh at every Mittens fan and tell them
they "wasted their vote"?
On a serious note I seriously weep for this country that believes one man can change our situation,
without actually addressing the main issue, the Central Bank.
Maybe people will learn their lesson so in four years we can actually nominate, you know...
a real conservative.
Or maybe people will finally embrace the Libertarian Party and not worry about
being on the "winning team" so they can root for their favorite politician on "gameday"!
EDIT: I am tired of the Red versus Blue propaganda that is spewed in this country.
I seriously wish people would stop treating politics as if it is football.0 -
Somewhat relieved by the result, because of the potential international implications of a Romney win, though not a huge Obama supporter. Like others here I'm socially fairly liberal (at least in US terms!) and fiscally rather conservative (this mostly works well enough in the UK because the two main parties are both fairly centrist). Still holding out hope for a Clinton 2016 ticket, though. Now that's a campaign I could get excited about!
Whatever the outcome could have been, I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment of the OP. Time for some bipartisan (or tripartisan, perhaps!) cooperation, methinks.0 -
I'm watching US 2012 - live in Ohio at present,
Obama 3
Romney 19
Good Luck America, may the best man win! :flowerforyou:
You are in Ohio? What part?0 -
Didn't vote.. really don't like either of the parties. And also, I filed for my absentee ballot in the wrong state (got confused with moving here from Oklahoma and still paying state taxes to Ohio while living in Mississippi). Oh well. I woulda voted for Gary Johnson anyway. Had Ron Paul had even a sliver of a chance I would have tried harder so I could have voted for him.
I wonder if the medicinal marijuana law passed in Arkansas (my home state).. my mom was pretty excited about that one.0 -
i think i love you!So the question is:
Since I was told repeatedly by "mainstream (lol) republicans" that voting for Ron Paul, or supporting him
during the primary would be "wasting my vote (lol)", can I now laugh at every Mittens fan and tell them
they "wasted their vote"?
On a serious note I seriously weep for this country that believes one man can change our situation,
without actually addressing the main issue, the Central Bank.
Maybe people will learn their lesson so in four years we can actually nominate, you know...
a real conservative.
Or maybe people will finally embrace the Libertarian Party and not worry about
being on the "winning team" so they can root for their favorite politician on "gameday"!
EDIT: I am tired of the Red versus Blue propaganda that is spewed in this country.
I seriously wish people would stop treating politics as if it is football.0 -
I'm watching US 2012 - live in Ohio at present,
Obama 3
Romney 19
Good Luck America, may the best man win! :flowerforyou:
You are in Ohio? What part?
No, sorry Kristen, I'm in London, UK. I was watching Ohio live on the TV!!! lol
YaY Obama!! I just can't imagine how a Mormon with anti abortion laws and anti gay rights could run a world wide, dominant country such as America. There is no empathy, and far too much bias, for the majority and I think any leader needs that, regardless of his social/fiscal standing.
No offence against Mormons whatsoever! But it would be like having a Muslim lead the UK. Just totally different mindset on the majority of lifestyle. He would be banning coffee next? :noway: :flowerforyou:
BTW whoever asked, UK campaigns are backed by donations in the main - both private and corporate plus trade union membership. We dont have wealthy individuals running for parliament. Although there is a lot of controversy over who and how much is donated to which party and the ensuing 'perks' for doing so!! :huh:
Still, as much as we have a visual 3rd party (Liberal Democrats), who is in a coalition government now (Liberals+ Conservative) and many Independants, it's still very much a 2 horse race between Labour (Democrats) and Conservative (Republicans), as is yours.0 -
EDIT: I am tired of the Red versus Blue propaganda that is spewed in this country.
I seriously wish people would stop treating politics as if it is football.
YES! Thank you.0 -
Alot of "hatin'" happening on Facebook today. Just like everything else media-related in this election, it is excessive.
Regardless of your opinions, how you voted or your party affiliation, we are still Americans (a few of us here anyway) and in this together. Just don't see any reason in being so negative and hateful.
I'm sticking with MFP today....its way better anyway.
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I'm watching US 2012 - live in Ohio at present,
Obama 3
Romney 19
Good Luck America, may the best man win! :flowerforyou:
You are in Ohio? What part?
No, sorry Kristen, I'm in London, UK. I was watching Ohio live on the TV!!! lol
YaY Obama!! I just can't imagine how a Mormon with anti abortion laws and anti gay rights could run a world wide, dominant country such as America. There is no empathy, and far too much bias, for the majority and I think any leader needs that, regardless of his social/fiscal standing.
No offence against Mormons whatsoever! But it would be like having a Muslim lead the UK. Just totally different mindset on the majority of lifestyle. He would be banning coffee next? :noway: :flowerforyou:
BTW whoever asked, UK campaigns are backed by donations in the main - both private and corporate plus trade union membership. We dont have wealthy individuals running for parliament. Although there is a lot of controversy over who and how much is donated to which party and the ensuing 'perks' for doing so!! :huh:
Still, as much as we have a visual 3rd party (Liberal Democrats), who is in a coalition government now (Liberals+ Conservative) and many Independants, it's still very much a 2 horse race between Labour (Democrats) and Conservative (Republicans), as is yours.
AH, I see. I was starting to get excited there...LOL I thought maybe you were on holiday! Why you'd be in Ohio of all places I don't know...
IMO, someone so "Conservative" couldn't really achieve anything in the US. There'd always be someone or something standing in their way. What I'm surprised by though, is how close the race was. All I know is I'd rather have the devil I know...0 -
Just wanted to add that the two main parties in the UK are both fairly centrist, in comparison to the US (particularly the Conservative/Republican comparison - the 'Tories' (conservatives) are infinitely less socially-conservative, in the main, than their US equivalents, though they share some fiscal philosophy - again generally less-extreme)0
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AH, I see. I was starting to get excited there...LOL I thought maybe you were on holiday! Why you'd be in Ohio of all places I don't know...
IMO, someone so "Conservative" couldn't really achieve anything in the US. There'd always be someone or something standing in their way. What I'm surprised by though, is how close the race was. All I know is I'd rather have the devil I know...
Gosh! If/when I visit America I just dont know where I'd go first!! I've met so many gorgeous people on here from all over the country, I'd want to meet you all! :bigsmile:
I agree. I dont think there's any place in America or UK for far right politics anymore. The world has progressed; the class systems deminishing, the wealth is spreading, the population is diluting/mixing, equal rights etc etc etc...........we live in a different world to that of 100 years ago. Thankfully!! :flowerforyou:0 -
It was just updated, it should be getting updated more frequently now.I'm watching US 2012 - live in Ohio at present,
Obama 3
Romney 19
Good Luck America, may the best man win! :flowerforyou:
Right now, it's actually Obama 3 Romney 8. Just wanted to clarify!
We're showing 3 - 24 now!! lol Never trust the media, they're holding back on you!!
what ya got? what ya got?? We just showed 56 Obama - 40 Romney :bigsmile:
I keep thinking of Jenbit when they mention Florida - hey Jen, have you voted yet?? Hurry up, and dont keep us waiting for days!!! :laugh:
LOL I voted Anna. Apperantly all of Florida voted lol. When Obama accepted they still hadnt finished tallying the votes here. I just stayed away from the internet last night it was safest.0 -
When the votes have been tallied, I don't want to hear people talking about moving to Canada, rooting for the country to fail so we can blame the leader, or any other crazy talk. This is America...we stand TOGETHER to face our problems. I truly believe both candidates love our country and their families. They are generally good people at the core. Don't spread rumors and lies about them on Facebook, don't photoshop pictures of them to make them look foolish, and don't dismiss their ideas just because they come from the "other" party. You can disagree without disrespecting. No matter who wins, let's unite behind a leader, pray for everyone, and trust that God is in control.
The optimist in me wants to stand up and start clapping
But the realist in me wants to go to the facts:
We just had a 50/50 popular vote on two paths for America that couldn't be further apart. In fact the only thing I heard the two agree on was the handling of the war and killing Bin laden.
Our election was completely decided on Sex and Race... we are suppose to be further along than this.
-some of the audio and video feeds I heard leading up to election day were enough to make me want to puke... this is an actual quote from an 8 year old African American boy "we need Obama to win, because if Romney wins he's going to send us back to the fields." It's just terrible to me to think that kid actually fears this could happen. And the media makes it no better, all I heard all night was the black vote this the white vote that...
-The main issue for women centered around their V-jays.... wasn't there a women's movement a few decades ago to say women were more than this??
They say every vote counts... yet I look at the electoral college and see a blow out... I look at the popular vote and see it neck and neck
This country is completely split, Moderation might be dead and unfortunately history shows it takes something terrible to bring us all back together.
I really don't think anyone won yesterday.0 -
Poncho, I think the women's issue was largely about our reproductive rights because they're being threatened. There was a legitimate chance that Roe v. Wade could have been overturned and abortion rights could have been overturned. Coupled with the fact that some people like Todd Akin think there is "legitimate rape," we need a strong women's rights leader in the White House. Obama's plan gives free yearly reproductive exams too which is a huge, awesome thing! Cancer of reproductive organs will now be caught earlier because women can get these exams.
Just my two cents.
Although I lean democratic, I would vote for a Republican if they were as big into women's rights as Democrats were.
We didn't need a president who made sure the female staffer from his binders full of women could be home by 5 for dinner every night.0 -
Poncho, I think the women's issue was largely about our reproductive rights because they're being threatened. There was a legitimate chance that Roe v. Wade could have been overturned and abortion rights could have been overturned. Coupled with the fact that some people like Todd Akin think there is "legitimate rape," we need a strong women's rights leader in the White House. Obama's plan gives free yearly reproductive exams too which is a huge, awesome thing! Cancer of reproductive organs will now be caught earlier because women can get these exams.
Just my two cents.
Yeah this is important compared to the devaluing of our currency and the rampant wars going on.....
right?
EDIT: might be my last post before my head explodes0 -
Poncho, I think the women's issue was largely about our reproductive rights because they're being threatened. There was a legitimate chance that Roe v. Wade could have been overturned and abortion rights could have been overturned. Coupled with the fact that some people like Todd Akin think there is "legitimate rape," we need a strong women's rights leader in the White House. Obama's plan gives free yearly reproductive exams too which is a huge, awesome thing! Cancer of reproductive organs will now be caught earlier because women can get these exams.
Just my two cents.
A President can't overturn Roe vs. Wade.0 -
Poncho, I think the women's issue was largely about our reproductive rights because they're being threatened. There was a legitimate chance that Roe v. Wade could have been overturned and abortion rights could have been overturned. Coupled with the fact that some people like Todd Akin think there is "legitimate rape," we need a strong women's rights leader in the White House. Obama's plan gives free yearly reproductive exams too which is a huge, awesome thing! Cancer of reproductive organs will now be caught earlier because women can get these exams.
Just my two cents.
A President can't overturn Roe vs. Wade.
But remember all those supreme court positions that will come avalible in this term. He could stack the court to get what he wants ..0 -
Poncho, I think the women's issue was largely about our reproductive rights because they're being threatened. There was a legitimate chance that Roe v. Wade could have been overturned and abortion rights could have been overturned. Coupled with the fact that some people like Todd Akin think there is "legitimate rape," we need a strong women's rights leader in the White House. Obama's plan gives free yearly reproductive exams too which is a huge, awesome thing! Cancer of reproductive organs will now be caught earlier because women can get these exams.
Just my two cents.
A President can't overturn Roe vs. Wade.
But remember all those supreme court positions that will come avalible in this term. He could stack the court to get what he wants ..
Again, because if the dollar collapses, the first thing of importance will be whether or not abortion is legal or illegal.
Can anyone else prioritize?
Does anyone understand the consequences of a failing dollar?
Why is it that no one takes this seriously and are too busy worried about some pet project idealism!0 -
Poncho, I think the women's issue was largely about our reproductive rights because they're being threatened. There was a legitimate chance that Roe v. Wade could have been overturned and abortion rights could have been overturned. Coupled with the fact that some people like Todd Akin think there is "legitimate rape," we need a strong women's rights leader in the White House. Obama's plan gives free yearly reproductive exams too which is a huge, awesome thing! Cancer of reproductive organs will now be caught earlier because women can get these exams.
Just my two cents.
A President can't overturn Roe vs. Wade.
You are right. By that, I meant having a largely Republican Congress with a Republican President could allow for anti-abortion laws to crop up, and Mitt would have signed them.
ETA - Jen, right on!0 -
Poncho, I think the women's issue was largely about our reproductive rights because they're being threatened. There was a legitimate chance that Roe v. Wade could have been overturned and abortion rights could have been overturned. Coupled with the fact that some people like Todd Akin think there is "legitimate rape," we need a strong women's rights leader in the White House. Obama's plan gives free yearly reproductive exams too which is a huge, awesome thing! Cancer of reproductive organs will now be caught earlier because women can get these exams.
Just my two cents.
A President can't overturn Roe vs. Wade.
But remember all those supreme court positions that will come avalible in this term. He could stack the court to get what he wants ..
It has to pass through congress.0 -
Poncho, I think the women's issue was largely about our reproductive rights because they're being threatened. There was a legitimate chance that Roe v. Wade could have been overturned and abortion rights could have been overturned. Coupled with the fact that some people like Todd Akin think there is "legitimate rape," we need a strong women's rights leader in the White House. Obama's plan gives free yearly reproductive exams too which is a huge, awesome thing! Cancer of reproductive organs will now be caught earlier because women can get these exams.
Just my two cents.
A President can't overturn Roe vs. Wade.
But remember all those supreme court positions that will come avalible in this term. He could stack the court to get what he wants ..
It has to pass through congress.
And with a largely Republican congress, that would probably happen.0 -
Poncho, I think the women's issue was largely about our reproductive rights because they're being threatened. There was a legitimate chance that Roe v. Wade could have been overturned and abortion rights could have been overturned. Coupled with the fact that some people like Todd Akin think there is "legitimate rape," we need a strong women's rights leader in the White House. Obama's plan gives free yearly reproductive exams too which is a huge, awesome thing! Cancer of reproductive organs will now be caught earlier because women can get these exams.
Just my two cents.
A President can't overturn Roe vs. Wade.
You are right. By that, I meant having a largely Republican Congress with a Republican President could allow for anti-abortion laws to crop up, and Mitt would have signed them.
I'm not going to have an argument with you based on assumption.0 -
Poncho, I think the women's issue was largely about our reproductive rights because they're being threatened. There was a legitimate chance that Roe v. Wade could have been overturned and abortion rights could have been overturned. Coupled with the fact that some people like Todd Akin think there is "legitimate rape," we need a strong women's rights leader in the White House. Obama's plan gives free yearly reproductive exams too which is a huge, awesome thing! Cancer of reproductive organs will now be caught earlier because women can get these exams.
Just my two cents.
Yeah this is important compared to the devaluing of our currency and the rampant wars going on.....
right?
EDIT: might be my last post before my head explodes
What is nothing to you is a big issue to me as a woman. Please let's be respectful here so the thread is allowed to remain open. Read Carl's post if you need clarification. I like good discussion like this but let's not drag personal insults in here. 0 -
Poncho, I think the women's issue was largely about our reproductive rights because they're being threatened. There was a legitimate chance that Roe v. Wade could have been overturned and abortion rights could have been overturned. Coupled with the fact that some people like Todd Akin think there is "legitimate rape," we need a strong women's rights leader in the White House. Obama's plan gives free yearly reproductive exams too which is a huge, awesome thing! Cancer of reproductive organs will now be caught earlier because women can get these exams.
Just my two cents.
A President can't overturn Roe vs. Wade.
You are right. By that, I meant having a largely Republican Congress with a Republican President could allow for anti-abortion laws to crop up, and Mitt would have signed them.
I'm not going to have an argument with you based on assumption.
By no means do you have to. It's a free country!0 -
Poncho, I think the women's issue was largely about our reproductive rights because they're being threatened. There was a legitimate chance that Roe v. Wade could have been overturned and abortion rights could have been overturned. Coupled with the fact that some people like Todd Akin think there is "legitimate rape," we need a strong women's rights leader in the White House. Obama's plan gives free yearly reproductive exams too which is a huge, awesome thing! Cancer of reproductive organs will now be caught earlier because women can get these exams.
Just my two cents.
Yeah this is important compared to the devaluing of our currency and the rampant wars going on.....
right?
EDIT: might be my last post before my head explodes
What is nothing to you is a big issue to me as a woman. Please let's be respectful here so the thread is allowed to remain open. Read Carl's post if you need clarification. I like good discussion like this but let's not drag personal insults in here.
Oh Lord woman, do you not understand that a failing currency will hurt you much more than arbitrary morality laws?
Importance is not subjective here, I am sorry.
EDIT: Actually at first I was terribly angry at the complete ignorance of the issues that truly face our country, but now I am merely sad. This is exactly why our country is going to ****, people argue red versus blue all day, and refuse to acknowledge pressing issues.
Regardless, so be it, me arguing over the internet will not change your mind. I guess America will have to go down the ****ter.0 -
Poncho, I think the women's issue was largely about our reproductive rights because they're being threatened. There was a legitimate chance that Roe v. Wade could have been overturned and abortion rights could have been overturned. Coupled with the fact that some people like Todd Akin think there is "legitimate rape," we need a strong women's rights leader in the White House. Obama's plan gives free yearly reproductive exams too which is a huge, awesome thing! Cancer of reproductive organs will now be caught earlier because women can get these exams.
Just my two cents.
Yeah this is important compared to the devaluing of our currency and the rampant wars going on.....
right?
EDIT: might be my last post before my head explodes
What is nothing to you is a big issue to me as a woman. Please let's be respectful here so the thread is allowed to remain open. Read Carl's post if you need clarification. I like good discussion like this but let's not drag personal insults in here.
Oh Lord woman, do you not understand that a failing currency will hurt you much more than arbitrary morality laws?
Importance is not subjective here, I am sorry.
I'm sorry you are having trouble being respectful. Again, I urge you to read Carl's post in this thread regarding this thread.0
