Setting Your Calorie and Macro Targets
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SETTING CALORIE TARGETS:
There are two basic ways to do this: by using the targets provided by MFP after inputting your information or by calculating your TDEE (Total Daily Energy Expenditure) and taking a cut off your TDEE, assuming weight loss is the goal.
See http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/818082-exercise-calories-again-wtf for more discussion regarding TDEE and the two different methods, but the components of TDEE are repeated below:
BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate): The number of calories you burn at complete rest.
EAT (Exercise Associated Thermogenesis): Caloric requirements of training, or training expenditure.
NEAT (Non Exercise Activity Thermogenesis): Caloric requirements of activity that is not planned exercise. Vacuuming, driving, brushing your teeth, for example.
TEF/DIT (Thermic Effect of Feeding or Diet Induced Thermogenesis): Caloric expense of eating/digestion.
TDEE: (Total Daily Energy Expenditure) = Sum of the above. BMR+EAT+NEAT+TEF
Using MFP calculated calorie goal:
MFP will use the statistics that you input, such as age and weight, to estimate your BMR.
There are two main variables that you select when using MFP to determine your calorie goal: activity level (NEAT) and weekly weight loss goal.
The activity levels per MFP are as follows:
Sedentary: Spend most of the day sitting (e.g. bank teller, desk job)
Lightly Active: Spend a good part of the day on your feet (e.g. teacher, salesman)
Active: Spend a good part of the day doing some physical activity (e.g. waitress, mailman)
Very Active: Spend most of the day doing heavy physical activity (e.g. bike messenger, carpenter)
Many problems arise regarding deficits being created that are larger than desired due to the fact that people often select sedentary as a default. The descriptions in my opinion are too ‘generous’ in that most people, unless truly doing very little in the day, will not be sedentary. Factors to consider are whether you have kids that you are running around after, whether you do a lot of cooking/housework, whether you go out dancing or shopping a lot. All of these activities, while not exercise as such, will increase your energy expenditure. From personal experience, I have a desk job and am a lazy bish outside the gym and my activity level, based on actual weight loss, would have to be set at a higher than Lightly Active setting to equate to my actual NEAT.
In summary, the higher the activity level, the higher your TDEE. If you underestimate, then you are creating a larger than expected or desired weight loss.
If you wish to change this, go to My Home -> Goals-> Change Goals-> Continue (set at default) and update to the appropriate setting.
General recommendations for weekly weight loss goals should be based on a number of factors, the main one of which is how much weight you have to lose. The more weight that you have to lose the less severe the negative impact of being at a calorie deficit will have generally (see below for examples).
As a rule of thumb, we would recommend that most people set their target weight loss somewhere between .5 and 1% change in body-weight per week. So for a 200lb person, losing about 1 to 2lbs/week would be reasonable. Consider that this is not going to cover all scenarios. This is just a general guideline for "most" people. Weight may come off faster initially due to water losses.
Obviously, the deficit that is right for you will depend on your personal circumstances and how well you deal with the deficit. For example, for someone who is morbidly obese, the health benefits of getting the weight off quickly will often outweigh the possible negative impact and, as such, a higher than 2 lb a week deficit may well be appropriate.
Using TDEE:
Estimating TDEE
There are many TDEE calculators available on the interwebz. A couple of good ones are:
http://www.exrx.net/Calculators/CalRequire.html
http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/ (but ignore the rest of the site as it's full of bs).
Note however, these are all estimates of averages. The best determination of what your TDEE are your results. If you have been tracking for a while, you should be able to look back over a period of time and calculate what YOUR actual TDEE is. For example, say I lost 8lb over a 10 week period while eating an average of 2,000 calories a day. My TDEE would be: 2,000 x 7 days x 10 weeks (140,000) which represents the total calories consumed over the 10 week period plus 8 x 3,500 (28,000) which represents my weight loss expressed as a deficit using the 3,500 calories per pound approximation. My total expenditure over that period would be 168,000 (the 140,000 plus the 28,000) divided by 70 (7 days x 10 weeks) = 2,400 per day. This would approximate my TDEE. Obviously this number should be tweaked up or down if there is any significant change in activity. It also assumes that you have been logging your intake accurately.
As noted above, general recommendations for weekly weight loss goals should be based on a number of factors, the main one of which is how much weight you have to lose. Using the ‘TDEE” method it is a good rule of thumb to take a cut of 20% off your TDEE, which will represent your deficit, to get to your calorie target. However, at a low BF%, this will probably be too high and a 10% cut would be more appropriate. Conversely, at when someone has a significant amount of body fat to lose, a 30% cut may well be appropriate.
To customize your goals in order to be able to use this TDEE based method on MFP, go to My Home -> Goals-> Change Goals-> click Customize and update to the appropriate calorie target.
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It is important to not to have too large of a deficit to minimize the negative impact of weight loss, that may include risk of loss of LBM (which can be mitigated to a large degree with strength training and adequate protein), hormonal disruption, metabolic adaptation, lower gym performance, possible lack of sufficient nutrients, lack of adherence and generally being grumpy. As noted above however, the ‘best’ deficit for an individual will depend on personal circumstances and also their sensitivity to large deficits. From my personal experience, when I got down to about a 22% BF%, I could not handle prolonged deficits of much more than about 15% on average as my gym performance suffers and I tend to whine and pout at that stage. Others may be perfectly OK on a 20% cut at that BF%.
Also, if your results are not in line with what you expect, tweak your targets up or down as appropriate.
SETTING MACRO TARGETS:
There are 4 macronutrients. A high level explanation of each of their functions is:
Protein, which is required for muscle retention/growth
Fat, which is required for healthy body functions
Carbs, which provide energy
Alcohol, which provides for embarrassing photos
Macronutrient goals should really not be based on percentages, but on grams which vary depending on your size and activity levels.
We would recommend, as a rule of thumb, the following:
1g of protein per lb of LBM as a minimum target
0.35g of fat per lb of total body weight as a minimum target
The balance can fall where you wish, taking into account performance, satiety and adherence.
Note: the above protein minimum assumes that you are on a deficit, are undertaking moderate exercise and do not have a significantly low or significantly high body fat percentage. It also assumes that you have no pre-existing medical condition that would require a lower intake.
At a very low body fat percentage or with highly intensive workouts a slightly higher amount of protein is recommended.
Conversely, at a very high body fat percentage or with no or little exercise, a slightly lower amount of protein is acceptable.
Also, at a high BF%, the fats recommendation can be decreased. If you have specific questions about this, please feel free to ask us for our input.
When you have determined the minimum grams of protein and fat, you can calculate the corresponding percentages based on your calorie target to input into MFP. Protein and carbs have 4 calories per gram and fat has 9 calories per gram. Note that MFP only allows 5% increments so you will need to pick the one nearest your desired target.
For example, say someone is 150 lbs with a BF% of 20% on a 2,000 calorie target. Note, a 20% body fat means that someone has a 80% lean body mass (LBM) as LBM is everything except fat (muscle, water, organs, tissue, etc). Their macros in grams would be:
Protein: 1 x 150 x 0.8 (LBM) = 120g x 4 calories = 480 calories divided by 2,000 (calorie target) = 24% - round up to 25%
Fat: 0.35 x 150 = 53.5g x 9 calories = 473 calories divided by 2,000 = 24% - round up to 25%
Carbs: balance of 50%
Remember, protein and fats are minimums and so do not worry about going over on these, carbs would be the variable in this case and you would be under on that macro in order to meet your calorie target.
To change the MFP settings go to My Home -> Goals-> Change Goals-> click Customize and update the macros.
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It is all very confusing. My calorie goal is 1450 and I am doing 30 Carb 25 Fat 45 Protein; trying to lose weight. Not sure if I am calculating right.0
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It is all very confusing. My calorie goal is 1450 and I am doing 30 Carb 25 Fat 45 Protein; trying to lose weight. Not sure if I am calculating right.
Since new, probably will need to reread it. Because part of explanation is based on how MFP was designed to be used, other is on how most other sites work and how you could get MFP to work also.
Just keep in mind that the net or base calorie goal that MFP gives you is with NO exercise accounted for - only the daily activity level you selected outside of exercise.
So if you do workout regularly - you'll never eat the base calories, always more.0 -
Thank you! I learned a lot!0
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Wow great info! Thank you!0
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Does anyone mind helping me with this? I'm 5'1, 182 and tired of being fat. I tried iifym unsuccessfully last year. I have a desk job and sleep 6-8 hours per day. Can someone help me?0
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pisceanprincess wrote: »Does anyone mind helping me with this? I'm 5'1, 182 and tired of being fat. I tried iifym unsuccessfully last year. I have a desk job and sleep 6-8 hours per day. Can someone help me?
Well, if you read through the steps, sleep isn't part of the math. Daily activity and planned exercise is.
Which part of the process do you need help with?
If you did IIFYM site and their calc, they seem to be very low estimates, if you selected aggressive deficit, that might not have worked well for your body either.0 -
Wow! Glad I came across this! Thank you for breaking everything down Sarauk2sf! So far, I've been incredibly frustrated with my progress. I've followed MFP's suggestions and have seen zero results since august. I recalculated my macros and would love some feedback!
Recalculations:
Cals: 2100
Carbs:280g
Protein:137g
Fat: 48g
I'm 5'5" 235lbs
I'm in the gym 5days/week spend about 1.5 hours lifting (heavy weight/low rep) and about 20-30 mins cardio afterwards.
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LBM ? too many abbreviations in this article for the beginner.0
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LBM= lean body mass
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To add - everything in the body not Fat Mass (FM), also rarely called Fat-Free Mass (FFM).
Some use it when referring to just muscle mass - which is incorrect as muscle is just one component of LBM.
Some really confuse things and call it lean muscle mass - which really isn't correct unless getting a cut of beef at the butcher and ordering that kind.0 -
for a weight of 178lbs 40% body fat 5'2 I did the calculations and this is what it gives me for macros. Is my fats too high? Do I need to eat more fats if I have a higher body fat percentage?
1380 cals, 30%carb 104g 30%protein 104g 40%fat 61g0 -
for a weight of 178lbs 40% body fat 5'2 I did the calculations and this is what it gives me for macros. Is my fats too high? Do I need to eat more fats if I have a higher body fat percentage?
1380 cals, 30%carb 104g 30%protein 104g 40%fat 61g
I was wondering the same thing, but from what I read above, a high body fat would indicate lower protein and fat intake than what was described ... unless you are very physically active, that is.
My BF% is the same as yours, but I am taller and weigh more ... so I don't think this really applies to bodies like ours until we trim up some more.
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Today's my first day on this forum, so glad I found this post! Truth be told, it's a little overwhelming to think of losing weight in this way. I feel like "the answer" to why it's been so hard lately is here, though. Does anyone have a reliable way to calculate one's LBM without calipers? I'm sure it's buried somewhere in this thread, but asking might be quicker. I'm going to try doing my calculations tonight, and seeing how it works out...0
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I use basic calculations combined with some general questions and my experience working with people to make an educated guess.
From there it amounts to objective data, and subjective feedback to make necessary adjustments as you go.1 -
Odd, it showed a new reply but apparently I'm replying to something over a year old, lmao0
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You topic grave-digger! lol (The reply before yours was only 10 days ago, not a year plus.)0
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Brilliant post, will definitely check back here in spring before my cut! Never did get the MFP calculator, have always used scoobys then added it here myself!0
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jamandlettuce1 wrote: »Brilliant post, will definitely check back here in spring before my cut! Never did get the MFP calculator, have always used scoobys then added it here myself!
MFP does it differently than almost every other site out there.
MFP you give estimate of non-exercise level daily activity - you get estimate of daily burn - you take deficit - that's what you eat.
If you happen to workout - you log it - and since you just burned more that day - you get to eat more.
Most other sites you estimate your weekly level of exercise activity (daily levels not included) you plan on doing - you get estimate of daily average burn - you take deficit - that's what you eat.
Since your eating level is based on planned workouts - you better do them, or you won't really have a deficit - and on some days you literally don't, on some days you literally do.
So it depends on your motivation, and ability to adjust.
Some would rather eat the same amount daily to make planning easier, the weekly avg TDEE method - but you better hit the activity level you used to estimate average daily burn - or no deficit.
Some would rather eat more on days they do more and don't need to plan as much, the MFP method.
If the correct activity level is picked - both could end up about the same.
Obviously MFP allows for finer granularity than 5 rough level to pick from.
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Hello! I need some help!
I did the calculations, I am 164cm tall and weigh 65kg. I'm 29 and sedentary, except for 1 hour at the gym and 1 hour walking to and from work. I calculated my TEED at 2,000 / day, so my cals for deficit would be 1500.
I used my husbands sculpt to work out my BF%, then had it confirmed at the gym using calipers. It is 28.9%
When I went to work out my macros:
Protein = 143*.71 = 101 grams. 101 x 4 = 404 cals = 27%
Fat = .35*143 = 50grams. 50 x 9 = 450 cals = 30%
My question is should I really eat more fat than protein? Or have I made a mistake somewhere? Or is it because my BF% is too high?
I was thinking I would start with 30% Protein, 30% Fat, 40% Carbs and see how that goes?
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fromaquasar1 wrote: »Hello! I need some help!
I did the calculations, I am 164cm tall and weigh 65kg. I'm 29 and sedentary, except for 1 hour at the gym and 1 hour walking to and from work. I calculated my TEED at 2,000 / day, so my cals for deficit would be 1500.
I used my husbands sculpt to work out my BF%, then had it confirmed at the gym using calipers. It is 28.9%
When I went to work out my macros:
Protein = 143*.71 = 101 grams. 101 x 4 = 404 cals = 27%
Fat = .35*143 = 50grams. 50 x 9 = 450 cals = 30%
My question is should I really eat more fat than protein? Or have I made a mistake somewhere? Or is it because my BF% is too high?
I was thinking I would start with 30% Protein, 30% Fat, 40% Carbs and see how that goes?
You walk 1 hr to/from work - you are not Sedentary.
A sedentary desk job does not mean you are a Sedentary Activity Level - many people confuse those things.
You got a kid?
You likely have household chores with a hubby, or he's a great guy and really does half the housework, or incredible and does more!
I'm showing your TDEE more at 2400.
5 hrs of walking weekly and 5 hrs of I'm guessing more intense gym time. And likely not Sedentary lifestyle in general despite the job.
So eat 1900.
Just TDEE Please spreadsheet - better than rough 5 level TDEE charts.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G7FgNzPq3v5WMjDtH0n93LXSMRY_hjmzNTMJb3aZSxM/edit?usp=sharing
Protein = 2 x 65 = 130 grams x 4 = 520 cals = 27% round to 25%
Fat = 0.8 x 65 = 52 g x 9 = 468 = 25%
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This spreadsheet is really helpful. I took a copy of it and tweaked for what is probably real for me (I don't have kids!
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Pumped up my cals, adjusted macros! Thanks for you help!
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Thank you this is exactly what I needed1
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