So conversely.. .guys say they want real women, but the reality is they drive women to do all the stupid crap that most women do. If guys preferred "real" women there wouldn't be so many fake ones. It's called supply and demand.

Well said! this truly seems to be our reality.

Your reality is that you've never had a single original thought about what you want in your life? Or that you have never had enough courage to go through with it? Because thats what it sounds like...

Where did that come from and what the hell are you talking about?

Just because I agree with what was said, I cannot have an original thought?! You don't know ANYTHING about me.

So conversely.. .guys say they want real women, but the reality is they drive women to do all the stupid crap that most women do. If guys preferred "real" women there wouldn't be so many fake ones. It's called supply and demand.

Well said! this truly seems to be our reality.

Your reality is that you've never had a single original thought about what you want in your life? Or that you have never had enough courage to go through with it? Because thats what it sounds like...

Where did that come from and what the hell are you talking about?

Just because I agree with what was said, I cannot have an original thought?! You don't know ANYTHING about me.

You agreed that you let guys make you do stupid crap.

If you let others dictate what you do, then you yourself don't have an original enough idea to do what you want.

I am very glad that the women in my life don't let other guys (or women) dictate how they live.

In that few sentences you told me enough about you. You let others dictate how you live and you agree with pretty much every non-sense said to put down other men all the while you blindly follow men (since you admitted that you let men make you do stupid crap).

No need to respond. I am sure it would be more hateful man bashing

So conversely.. .guys say they want real women, but the reality is they drive women to do all the stupid ----that most women do. If guys preferred "real" women there wouldn't be so many fake ones. It's called supply and demand.

Well said! this truly seems to be our reality.

Your reality is that you've never had a single original thought about what you want in your life? Or that you have never had enough courage to go through with it? Because thats what it sounds like...

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Really??






I've noticed that guys SAY they want a natural, real woman but end up chasing women who do all the "fake" stuff. Supply and demand. If guys didn't go for it more often than they go for a truly natural woman, then so many woman wouldn't do it.

ALSO most men I've talked to have no concept of how much makeup a woman has on or how much time went into doing her hair. Thick caked makeup and wild colors are obvious, but even a "natural" evening face can take a while (my makeup, personally, is 5-10 minutes b/c I don't have patience or skill for more). When I point out a beautiful woman, I try to ask the guys around their opinions... they think her hair is just "wash-n-go" or she has no makeup on but I can look at her and see that she put a lot of work and effort into her appearance.

Edit to add: So what I'm saying is the guys may think they want the natural woman, but only because they don't realize the enhancement she's done

Yeah this message wasn't about "real" or "fake" anything. It was about the fact that both those ladies I quoted just said that they let men dictate what they do. Nice tl;dr though

Please read a bit closer. English is my 4th language and if I can read it, so can you (thats of course assuming English is your first language. If it isn't, then I apologize)

ETA: Bolded the quote in case you were having a hard time finding it

Just because I said that supply and demand (of men) women lead women to do things to their body doesn't mean that I MYSELF do it. Taunto... I'm the most original person I know. Hence, when the guy told me to put more makeup on and do my hair better I told him.. "this is me"... take it or leave it. I will never march to the beat of someone else's drummer. I am uniquely me.

Slap is my best friend in real life, Cliffslosinit, and P have all met me... they can vouch for me having a brain and thinking for myself as well as not being pretentiously made-up.

My problem isn't with your OP. The guy was a dbag so screw him. And for the record, I have been put into a similar situation multiple times. Once the girl said "if you had a scottish accent I would go out with it" (yes, that actually happened. As an Indian, it was just funny to me though)

My problem is how a part of your OP was taken out of context and used to say "oh, most guys MAKE us do it". If a guy is MAKING you do this, then I'm sorry you don't have an original thought or if you do, then you donot have enough courage to go through with it. People with original thoughts and courage (like yourself) do not say "Men MAKE us do something".

To stefanie, go against the crowd for a change and stop bashing men. We're not all out to MAKE you do anything

i like hello kitty and last i checked i'm a full grown woman.

i just dont tell people or wear HK watches but i do have a hello kitty makeup bag. i dare anyone to tell me in my face that i'm not a woman because i have a HK makeup bag, but i seriously doubt most of the people making differentiations between what women vs girls do are man/woman enough for direct confrontation anyway.


PS. i also like sonic the hedgehog and laugh at fart jokes. does that make me less of a woman? :laugh:


but this reminds me of something : some women are very quick to tear down other women who they feel threatened by for whatever reason. i'm sure guys do it as well. but usually the "real women don't..." crowd are people who are compensating for other issues. in this case my theory is that it's from a few Skippers hating on Barbie :laugh:

i like hello kitty and last i checked i'm a full grown woman.

i just dont tell people or wear HK watches but i do have a hello kitty makeup bag. i dare anyone to tell me in my face that i'm not a woman because i have a HK makeup bag, but i seriously doubt most of the people making differentiations between what women vs girls do are man/woman enough for direct confrontation anyway.


PS. i also like sonic the hedgehog and laugh at fart jokes. does that make me less of a woman? :laugh:


but this reminds me of something : some women are very quick to tear down other women who they feel threatened by for whatever reason. i'm sure guys do it as well. but usually the "real women don't..." crowd are people who are compensating for other issues. in this case my theory is that it's from a few Skippers hating on Barbie :laugh:

the real question is do you wear Hello Kitty in public? or are you a closet Hello Kitty lover?

Why again exactly is it a crime to do something for a man?
Last time I checked lots of women don't wear thongs, shave/wax their lower regions, buy lingerie and wear high heels for their own comfort and enjoyment alone.
Sure you can say that you only do those things for yourself (if you do them at all), but there really is no crime in also doing things for the enjoyment or appreciation of others.

Why again exactly is it a crime to do something for a man?
Last time I checked lots of women don't wear thongs, shave/wax their lower regions, buy lingerie and wear high heels for their own comfort and enjoyment alone.
Sure you can say that you only do those things for yourself (if you do them at all), but there really is no crime in also doing things for the enjoyment or appreciation of others.

As for this "real woman" bs...and debating who is and isn't...
Do you have female reproductive organs and have you gone through puberty?
Congratulations, you are a real woman.
Now define all the rest of it exactly how you want to.

I am not interested in barbie dolls , so doesn't bother me.

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