Weekly Post 18/01/15 -24/01/15
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@jknight001 - I totally agree. We are a sum of our experience. And being overweight for 44 out of 45 years is a big part of me and who I am. I meet up with a group about once a month to lay cards. (Therapeutic card laying, not fortune telling). Yes I'm a scientist and still believe in the power of what I don't see but feel. Working on my innerself and it's quirks has played a major role in my success with my weightloss this time around.
Last week the cards showed me quite clearly, that I still have certain issues and where they lie. As the weight was always just a symptom for what was wounded in my soul, I wasn't too surprised. Those last 3-4kg have been so stubborn, there was bound to be a reason, that lies deeper. Working on it though with lots of positive affirmations, reprogramming my subconscience. When I lose those last few, I will know, that I rewrote, what is on my 'harddisk'
Until then...I will fake it 'til I make it and go wear my boots
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jknight001 wrote: »Are you in maintenance mode? Would love to know how the 16:8 works for you.
Yup, maintenance and recomp. I'd dabbled with 16:8 (leangains) actually last summer before I did 5:2 but didn't have a strong reason to continue, as I hadn't done enough research. Also wasn't really tracking calories, so I'd be way off eating who-knows-what and not getting anywhere. With the more recent studies and more reading, I think I should've started with 16:8 (or even 20:4) as a daily default. It makes it much easier to avoid snacking and mindless eating problems.
Then once you're used to 16:8, it's a small stretch to go another 8 hours on your fast and BOOM, there's your 24 right there.
So my new IMO, best practices:
16:8 for daily default eating, at TDEE (or above on lifting days)
5:2 weekly for cutting
6:1 weekly for maintenance
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Thanks @fiesty_bucket. Sounds like a great plan for you. Hoping to try 16:8 one day. I think I would benefit from it for the reason you said. When one only eats in an 8 hour window, the food choices are better.0
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@jknight001 - I totally agree. We are a sum of our experience. And being overweight for 44 out of 45 years is a big part of me and who I am. I meet up with a group about once a month to lay cards. (Therapeutic card laying, not fortune telling). Yes I'm a scientist and still believe in the power of what I don't see but feel. Working on my innerself and it's quirks has played a major role in my success with my weightloss this time around.
Last week the cards showed me quite clearly, that I still have certain issues and where they lie. As the weight was always just a symptom for what was wounded in my soul, I wasn't too surprised. Those last 3-4kg have been so stubborn, there was bound to be a reason, that lies deeper. Working on it though with lots of positive affirmations, reprogramming my subconscience. When I lose those last few, I will know, that I rewrote, what is on my 'harddisk'
Until then...I will fake it 'til I make it and go wear my boots
Yes, life is always full of things to workout. You have a lot of courage to face your weaknesses. A lot of evil in the world starts as a way to avoid the wounded soul. We will cheer with you when those last 3-4kg go knowing that your healing was the cause of the loss. Until then, you add so much to the lives around you that you already have a lot going for you. It is just a matter of time before the last puzzle pieces fall in place. And, yes, keep wearing those boots. They are part of the reprogramming process.
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I did my very first fast day yesterday, and it was easier than I thought. I had a bowl of oat bran and blueberries at around 2pm, blackened chicken and asparagus for dinner, and some custard for dessert. I was, coincidentally a little under the weather, but seemed to have normal energy, slept ok. Weird thing (or maybe normal?) : I'm less hungry than usual today.
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Fast day for me and I'm checking in quickly.
I was a little miffed to find the burrito I had was actually about 550 not the 340 I had planned for.
I'm not too upset as I made the same mistake last week and managed to shed weight.
I have yet to really incorporate daily activity into the mix. This was going to be my week to go hardcore!
I'm using everything as an excuse and just need to do it. I'm really not a fan of the short winter days and usually get most of my activity by snowboarding 1-3 times a week. The lack of snow has really hurt my plan!0 -
thecarbmonster wrote: »
I'm with you snaps! I track my "lowest" low of the week on MFP so I keep getting encouraged to get back to it the next week, but haven't seen that number from the middle of December again haha. I have been averaging 295 and my previous "lowest" was 290, so a nice little chunk to go haha.
I haven't seen my lowest since November!!
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jknight001 wrote: »
Oh, @flumi_f, you are always doing what you can to help the members of this group. So glad to know you.
Diddo, @flumi_f your the best. Thanks for keeping with us even though your close to goal!0 -
Whoa, thanks for all the support!
I'm here...lurking...making sure I don't miss any new body shots (hint, hint). I've been a bad boy...still trying to set this ship back on course. I had a few days of semi fasting but have blown them up by going way over my TDEE the next. Going to hit the market tomorrow, haven't been since before Xmas (boy I hate shopping) so all the stuff in my pantry/freezer that I've been avoiding since July "got et" (nothing like stale microwave popcorn and frostbitten rib-eyes). Lots of takeout too (smack!) Just a huge dose of hedonistic anarchy...wait, I'm possessed, that's it! ...I blame el Diablo! I think I'll exorcise him this weekend with a final box of buttermilk drops. Then I'll lock myself in my bedroom a la "Trainspotting" style...pray for me.
...again, thank you for all the notes of encouragement (you know who you are), you make me want to be a better man (for those of you who haven't seen "As Good as It Gets", that sounded really original huh?)
I have read (skimmed?) every post since we've set up this new group, but I haven't really jumped into the fray as it pertains to giving advice...I just don't feel right preaching what I'm currently not practicing. I know one thing...at least in my case, I won't be taking any weeks off in the future. Even if I'm on a cruise and buffets lurk around every corner, I'll somehow manage to pull of at least one 30 hour fast each week. It's just too hard (for me) to get back on track...I wasn't ready for that challenge (got cocky).
Maybe I've been looking at these (our) "cyber" relationships as, in a sense, vapor. But, I'm starting to realize how "real" they can be, yep...sounds crazy maybe, or dare I say unmanly...I'm developing emotional ties with some of you. Uh, no...I'm not going to be asking you to prom.
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Too old for the prom, orlcam...you and me both ;-)
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jknight001 wrote: »
Oh, @flumi_f, you are always doing what you can to help the members of this group. So glad to know you.
Diddo, @flumi_f your the best. Thanks for keeping with us even though your close to goal!
Thanks Ladies! I need support just as any of you do. I look at this as a way of life. So I will never be 'done'. Thus no reason to leave you lovely people. And if I can help as an 'oldie', I'm great with that.0 -
@ Orlcam - glad to have you lurking in the background. Just remember we're all here for the same reason, and are here to support you if you need us.
I'm attempting 16:8 today, to see if that will curb my picking in the evening . My plan is to have my dinner about 6, give that an hour to settle. I'm hoping to get a run in tonight, so that will keep me occupied till about 8ish, by the time I have a hot bath and a chill it will hopefully be bed time. 
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Going to hit the market tomorrow, haven't been since before Xmas (boy I hate shopping) so all the stuff in my pantry/freezer that I've been avoiding since July "got et" (nothing like stale microwave popcorn and frostbitten rib-eyes). Lots of takeout too (smack!) Just a huge dose of hedonistic anarchy...wait, I'm possessed, that's it! ...I blame el Diablo! I think I'll exorcise him this weekend with a final box of buttermilk drops. Then I'll lock myself in my bedroom a la "Trainspotting" style...pray for me.
I will! Just beware of the baby on the ceiling, that thing creeps me out! Good, bad and ugly we are all here. And obvious you have made an impact on this group (not only setting it back up, but we like your posts...thoughtful, funny and supportive [sorry, now you head is not going to fit through the door]). Glad to see your still lurking.
So I think that someone out there (all techies listen up) should invent a camera that will analyse any food we are about to eat. Think about it...take one picture and you will know exactly how many calories you will eat...with out the weighing and calculating...heaven!
Oh and I saw on a TV the other day that supposedly we should all be writing discussing words on our plate and bowls and cups and it will make us eat less (vomit, slim etc...) Just don't do the opposite or we could eat more (sweet, chocolate, succulent etc...)
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I am pretty low-key about this new diet with husband ( fit/buff can eat what he likes type of person) but think he may realize something was up if he got a plate out of the cupboard with the word 'vomit' on it. I have had five fast days in the last two weeks, and he hasn't noticed a thing! I just have his supper ready and say airily 'oh, I've eaten'. Which is perfectly true(ish). Makes me wonder what else I could get away with?!0
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Funny, had a similar thought yesterday...wondering when will we reach the ability to auto-log, which led me to think of something in the kitchen that can decipher your recipes.So I think that someone out there (all techies listen up) should invent a camera that will analyse any food we are about to eat. Think about it...take one picture and you will know exactly how many calories you will eat...with out the weighing and calculating...heaven!
Ugh...be careful with that, the flip side is you could wind up with some pretty twisted hang-ups/fetishes. Double-ugh...Oh and I saw on a TV the other day that supposedly we should all be writing discussing words on our plate and bowls and cups and it will make us eat less (vomit, slim etc...) Just don't do the opposite or we could eat more (sweet, chocolate, succulent etc...)
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@ snaps27 only trick I've used so far is trying to use smaller plates and (without realizing it) I even have blue/light teal plates which is supposed to help decrease appetite lol. Not sure it's working haha. I measure everything I cook at home so it helps keep calorie creep at bay. I am going to start trying to reduce portions over time (especially my fav pasta).
It's so weird because I NEVER eat just focusing on my food. Obviously, eating with others, you are involved in discussion and maybe commenting on food for a second, but the rest is just juggling shoveling it in and talking lol. I'm a slow eater because of that so I try to remind myself to cut back and not finish the plate (which can have some negative-feelings-consequences when your mom doesn't think you like her food because you didn't eat it all lol). Even eating alone, I'm always absorbed in something on TV and barely put the fork down.
On fast days it isn't an issue because I eat my portion and I'm good. I don't think about hunger or food again after that because I'm done eating for the day. The time it becomes an issue is when I can "eat anything" and don't have to stop after eating because I still have more room in my TDEE, etc. I keep thinking about food and planning my next meal, etc. This is why I love my fast days. I don't have to think about food- I eat my portion and that's it. No room for extra or more. I need to incorporate more planning on my TDEE days, but those are the days I let myself not be restricted to keep the day adaptable so that is where the balancing act comes in lol.0 -
Just wanted to add this about fast days/"fail" days: (finally going through the resources even though I've been doing this for 6 months lol!
https://www.fastday.com/buzz/avoid-these-5-common-fasting-mistakes/
"With the above in mind, yes there are some times where a fast isn’t strictly speaking a fast day, even if it was rather lower calorie than a feed day. But, all too often I see fasters fretting about having gone just a few calories over and asking if it should be considered a fail and that they should fast again tomorrow to make amends. If this is you, please relax! A few calories over isn’t going to ruin the fast. 500/600 isn’t some magical number through which weight is lost, it is simply based around 25% of the average calorific needs for an adult. Personally I’ve had times where I fasted on nearer 600 calories or even 700. Will it reduce the weight loss? Well, slightly. Will you lose the benefits of fasting? It depends on how long you’re going without food I suppose. But, there’s no need to consider it a failure if you go a bit over! This is the attitude of traditional diets creeping in! We’ll have none of that here thank you! Intermittent fasting is a way of eating for life. So, a fast went wrong. Big deal. You had to change your days? No problem. You only managed one fast this week? It doesn’t matter. It’s one fast out of a lifetime. Learn from your mistakes, don’t beat yourself up and just keep on. It’s not like with typical diets where one bad day can make you feel you’ve failed and fall off the wagon. This method is flexible. It works around you, giving you back the control."0 -
Hello everyone! I love reading your entries, all of you so inspirational! I've been struggling lately. Scale just isn't moving, which I guess is good that it's not going up, but man... I really want the losses. I do know what my problem is though, 100% lack of activity. I've been on-point calorie wise, but the lack of movement has me at maintenance, which is completely pathetic at less than 8000 cal a week in. Why oh why am I one of those people that finds it easier to not eat than move more? LOL
Anyway, my fitbit tells me I'm a slug, my body tells me I'm a slug. Time to not be a slug.0 -
@angelamb1970 I actually choose that haha. I used to exhaust myself doing too much exercise (for a sedentary person starting out) and it would make me "fall off" the plan and discourage me from starting again because I believed I HAD to exercise to lose weight. This time around, completely the opposite. No exercise so far lol. I want to do regular healthy activity and not count it as exercise or something I'm doing for weight loss. It's something I want to do for me to make me feel good, not to lose weight so if I'm "off plan" it is something that is still an everyday activity. So far, just adding stairs and walking more around the office. Next I want to add kettlebells because it's something you can do a few minutes a few times a week and will get results instead of hours everyday (I used to do this after reading 4 hour body and I really did see results! I was slimming down with minimal effort).0
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thecarbmonster wrote: »On fast days it isn't an issue because I eat my portion and I'm good. I don't think about hunger or food again after that because I'm done eating for the day. The time it becomes an issue is when I can "eat anything" and don't have to stop after eating because I still have more room in my TDEE, etc. I keep thinking about food and planning my next meal, etc. This is why I love my fast days. I don't have to think about food- I eat my portion and that's it. No room for extra or more. I need to incorporate more planning on my TDEE days, but those are the days I let myself not be restricted to keep the day adaptable so that is where the balancing act comes in lol.
You took the words right out of my mouth!thecarbmonster wrote: »
"With the above in mind, yes there are some times where a fast isn’t strictly speaking a fast day, even if it was rather lower calorie than a feed day. But, all too often I see fasters fretting about having gone just a few calories over and asking if it should be considered a fail and that they should fast again tomorrow to make amends. If this is you, please relax! A few calories over isn’t going to ruin the fast. 500/600 isn’t some magical number through which weight is lost, it is simply based around 25% of the average calorific needs for an adult. Personally I’ve had times where I fasted on nearer 600 calories or even 700. Will it reduce the weight loss? Well, slightly. Will you lose the benefits of fasting? It depends on how long you’re going without food I suppose. But, there’s no need to consider it a failure if you go a bit over! This is the attitude of traditional diets creeping in! We’ll have none of that here thank you! Intermittent fasting is a way of eating for life. So, a fast went wrong. Big deal. You had to change your days? No problem. You only managed one fast this week? It doesn’t matter. It’s one fast out of a lifetime. Learn from your mistakes, don’t beat yourself up and just keep on. It’s not like with typical diets where one bad day can make you feel you’ve failed and fall off the wagon. This method is flexible. It works around you, giving you back the control."
And thanks for this!I am pretty low-key about this new diet with husband ( fit/buff can eat what he likes type of person) but think he may realize something was up if he got a plate out of the cupboard with the word 'vomit' on it. I have had five fast days in the last two weeks, and he hasn't noticed a thing! I just have his supper ready and say airily 'oh, I've eaten'. Which is perfectly true(ish). Makes me wonder what else I could get away with?!
When I started 5:2 in September I didn't tell anyone, not even my husband. Two weeks into fasting my husband comes home and says, "A buddy at work fasts 2 day a week and he said it helped him loose weigh" and I replied, "I have always wanted to try that, I think I'll give it a go". Perfect timing!
Although my husband's idea of fasting is slightly different, he thinks it's...don't eat anything until 5 and then you can eat what you want. He doesn't believe in the who calorie thing..."Oh, don't believe anything they say"...he remarks to any...well most things...unless he agrees...lol. So I do my thing and he thinks I 'fast'. In November he was convinced I was get colds because of the fasting and 'suggested' that I only fast once a week until the weather get warmer...and I said, "okay dear". But still fit in a fasting day during the week, he's none the wiser...devious laugh
The greatest thing though is that 'he agrees' that I am having huge benefit to fasting, so I think I am safe to keep it up.
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angelamb1970 wrote: »Hello everyone! I love reading your entries, all of you so inspirational! I've been struggling lately. Scale just isn't moving, which I guess is good that it's not going up, but man... I really want the losses. I do know what my problem is though, 100% lack of activity. I've been on-point calorie wise, but the lack of movement has me at maintenance, which is completely pathetic at less than 8000 cal a week in. Why oh why am I one of those people that finds it easier to not eat than move more? LOL
Anyway, my fitbit tells me I'm a slug, my body tells me I'm a slug. Time to not be a slug.
Like @thecarbmonster said, you can start slow. And it doesn't matter what you do, just start. Consider that a dance class is exercise, gardening (when the spring comes) is exercise, a walk around the block with a friend is exercise, etc. Don't have to go to the gym, don't have to pop in a workout tape. Exercise is merely moving (even if it is just a tiny bit) more than you currently are. As you start to feel better, you can naturally increase the amount.
BTW, I too find it easier to eat than to move. So there are some times when I just say to myself "all you need to do is a light workout" . This gets me to the gym and before I know it I am doing my full workout and feel great afterward. Baby steps does it for me.
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So I think that someone out there (all techies listen up) should invent a camera that will analyse any food we are about to eat. Think about it...take one picture and you will know exactly how many calories you will eat...with out the weighing and calculating...heaven!
Your wish is the App Store's command. Check out Meal Snap. Don't know if it actually works but it proves there is technology out there already.
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Whoa, thanks for all the support!
I have read (skimmed?) every post since we've set up this new group, but I haven't really jumped into the fray as it pertains to giving advice...I just don't feel right preaching what I'm currently not practicing. I know one thing...at least in my case, I won't be taking any weeks off in the future. Even if I'm on a cruise and buffets lurk around every corner, I'll somehow manage to pull of at least one 30 hour fast each week. It's just too hard (for me) to get back on track...I wasn't ready for that challenge (got cocky).
Whew! Glad you are back. Was seriously thinking about calling in the Navy Seals. I would think they would have a search and rescue unit?
Maybe you don't think you should give advice but I know you have given us all a boost with pithy posts whether you were practicing what you preach or not (wow! didn't know I could be so alliterative). Just your sense of humor keeps me going (especially on FDs). But as others have said, we all are fighting the battle together and are here to support you when you need it.
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The other day I had the opportunity to eat in silence - no talking, no TV, no newspapers, no electronics - just me and the food. Can't tell you how long it has been since I have done that. It was weird but good. I focused on what I ate, knew how it tasted and how much I ate. Must try it again.thecarbmonster wrote: »It's so weird because I NEVER eat just focusing on my food. Obviously, eating with others, you are involved in discussion and maybe commenting on food for a second, but the rest is just juggling shoveling it in and talking lol. I'm a slow eater because of that so I try to remind myself to cut back and not finish the plate (which can have some negative-feelings-consequences when your mom doesn't think you like her food because you didn't eat it all lol). Even eating alone, I'm always absorbed in something on TV and barely put the fork down.
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I find that in the last two weeks the fasting has made me very aware and appreciative of food on both fds and nfds. I think before I must have shovelled it in in a careless and dismissive manner but now I am trying to consciously enjoy every bite. Good luck fasters today and have a great day everyone!0
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It's great to see this area of the site so active and supportive!
I'm on my second FD this week, and yesterday's weigh in had me back at pre-Christmas weight - huzzah!
Tuesday's dinner was a turkey Madras served on lettuce leaves. Tonight I'm having kangaroo steak - I'll have mine with a tub of "red veg" which I made last week and froze in individual portions. DH can have a packet of pasta and sauce with his ( I might sneak a spoonful of that)
Busy at work so I haven't really thought about food, and I'm at a dance class tonight.0 -
2nd fast day this week today. Busy day today so won't have time to focus on the food I'm not eating! LOL! Hope you all have a great day.0
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Finished 2nd FD. Ready to eat at TDEE!
@melaniecheeks - When you say "kangaroo steak", do you mean from a real kangaroo? Didn't know you could eat kangaroo? (Sorry to be so ignorant.)0 -
Yes indeed, from a real kangaroo. I got it in Lidl in the UK. I've eaten it before, and it's a very lean, high protein meat with a strong flavour.0
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@lulu1066 that's really cool! It's definitely been changing my relationship with food as well! I am still struggling a bit with the TDEE or "non-fast days" but I feel really positive and in-control and empowered on fast days because I know I am in control now. I can feel satisfied and fuel my body and know I am improving my health. I am definitely going to be tracking all of my TDEE days again (and try my best to plan the "spontaneous"/going out to eat part as much as can by estimating or leaving a cushion and then back-filling the rest).0
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