I will never mention Low Carb or no sugar again on the discussion board WOW
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I feel your anger! I posted a question about the egg fast (had stalled over 5 weeks and was going to give it a go...dropped 10 in 5 days btw) but was literally negative comment after comment about how wrong i was in doing it....ummm..pretty sure my question stated nothing about them commenting judgemental ignorant statements wasting my time hoping for help. WILL NEVER seak help on the open boards again. A huge thank you to those 2 or 3 that actually tried to help. Good luck everyone and rock on low carbers!!!0
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baconslave wrote: »
Buttered steak, can't forget the butter!
I still love the post a friend of mine posted on Facebook. Her office is very much on the "low fat" and "vegan" end of the spectrum, and someone labelled their yogurt as "lard" to prevent people from eating it. I wasn't totally sure whether to laugh or cry about that, but I did laugh about the fact that it would backfire horribly if someone were to try that at my house.0 -
I am going to have to try butter. Mom made it from the milk that I milked by hand but she never cooked with it too much. I have 4-5 tablespoons of coconut oil in the coffee that I am drinking with my almonds currently however.:)0
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Dragonwolf wrote: »
No worries. Wouldn't forget that! LOL! It's my supper plan for this evening.
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I never post about that on any site but this one! Too many negative folks.0
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The MFP discussion boards cling hard to the old calories in - calories out theory of weight loss.
Two reasons for this:
1. It's a popular, though incorrect, theory
2. It's become group-think on the boards to go along with the crowd. Few people are comfortable rocking the boat.
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Still having trouble sleeping. Doctor recommended tryptophan and melatonin. Not giving up. keeping up the electrolytes. The diet book says "when in doubt...eat more fat.0
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The MFP discussion boards cling hard to the old calories in - calories out theory of weight loss.
Two reasons for this:
1. It's a popular, though incorrect, theory
2. It's become group-think on the boards to go along with the crowd. Few people are comfortable rocking the boat.
3. It lets them eat french fries and donuts "if if fits their macros", which, of course, can be set to anything. 0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »3. It lets them eat french fries and donuts "if if fits their macros", which, of course, can be set to anything.
Right. Sugar is addictive and this lets them continue to feed their addiction with ice cream and french fries.0 -
It's more a plague of narcissism, groupthink, and megalomania...just sayin...0
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »3. It lets them eat french fries and donuts "if if fits their macros", which, of course, can be set to anything.
Right. Sugar is addictive and this lets them continue to feed their addiction with ice cream and french fries.
+1 Those who say sugar isn't an addiction have never felt a real sugar craving.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »3. It lets them eat french fries and donuts "if if fits their macros", which, of course, can be set to anything.
Right. Sugar is addictive and this lets them continue to feed their addiction with ice cream and french fries.
+1 Those who say sugar isn't an addiction have never felt a real sugar craving.
Or they have and just think it's normal. It's astounding how many people think you're supposed to be hungry when you are trying to lose weight.Still having trouble sleeping. Doctor recommended tryptophan and melatonin. Not giving up. keeping up the electrolytes. The diet book says "when in doubt...eat more fat.
Make sure you're getting enough sodium. The lower your carbs are, the more you'll want, especially in the beginning. Treat MFP's 2,500 or 3,500 "limit" as a minimum. Sleep disturbance is a common symptom of sodium deficiency.
Also, make sure you're eating enough in general. Not eating enough is a common problem among LCHF, because the appetite suppression can be strong in some people. You still need to eat at least fairly close to your calorie goal, otherwise you risk a number of issues, and can raise your cortisol levels, which interferes with melatonin production and sleep.0 -
Just an example of sugar addiction here: I was about 6 days into the LC life and my partner brought home a fountain Coke for me (she just didn't think, was not trying to sabotage)..... I had to have HER pour it out in the sink because my hands were shaking I wanted the damn thing so bad. Update to today and I am feeling much better, but that was an eye opening moment for me.
The general forums, I have found, can be good for exercise advice, and I like to read the success stories. But other than that, snarkiness abounds and way too much of an "our way or you are wrong!" mentality.0 -
I did not know I was addicted to sugar carbs for most of my life and all the while it was wrecking my health. I only fully realized my addiction after trying to 'taper' off of sugar for Aug/Sept 2014 and could NOT. It took going cold turkey last Oct and the addiction just started regression after a couple weeks.0
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I'm a nurse nutritionist and sugar does make you fat and does lead to diabetes. Anyone who knows how insulin works and what it does will tell you that. You do have to watch your calories but you also have to keep your carbs lower if you are a carb-craver after exposure to sugar and "white" carbs. Especially if you are sensitive to sugar as insulin-resistant people or women with PCOS are. So do what works for you. I understand your inability to lose weight no matter how low your calories or how high your exercise if you eat carbs. I have the same issue and a endocrinologist told me to lose the carbs and eat protein and low carb veggies and I lost 30 lbs in no time. I tried to go back to a "normal" diet but with only 1500 cal a day and gained all the weight back in 6 mos. Adding weight lifting workouts to your exercise regime 2 a week will help you deal with carbs if you do slip now and then.I have just had 14 replies telling me that omitting sugar is a gimmick and stupid and will not result in weight loss. And sugar consumption has nothing to do with diabetes. So the mantra is stick to a calorie deficit and you will lose weight. Okay, I cant do that. Tried and tried and tried. I just end up binge eating on sugar. So I am going to do this no matter what the common sense multitude say.
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Get doctor approval for exercise then start adding some weight lifting/muscle building to your exercise regime. The older we get the more our metabolism and ability to deal with any carbs goes down and adding muscle helps counteract this.Glad to have found a like minded group!
Megthehen I lost 60+ at 60 yrs and it took me about a year. Lost the majority, around 40 in about 3,4 months the 5 or less at a time for the next month's. Been at goal for 6 almost 7 yrs now. Bad thing is I'm gaining and still on lc so I figured I'd start tracking to see if there is carb creep
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Debbie, how long did it take to lose weight, I have 70pounds to lose, about as I use kilos. I plan to stick to this forever if it works for me because for the first time ever I don't feel like eating all day. I normally drive straight to the shop to buy food to eat in the car on my way home from work. 3 days in, I haven't felt the need to do this. I actually waited till 1:30 to eat my lunch. It's usually gone by 10:30am. I feel very positive that this is going to be do able. I only walk for exercise at the moment but I have joined a gym. Still a little nervous to try that.
Great job! I think the first 3 days of low/no carb are the hardest. Don't let the gym intimidate you. Most gyms have a free intro "training" session to show you how to use the weights, elliptical etc. If not, just ask an employee to show you. It's hard the first few times but like low carb, the more you do it the better you feel. And remember that everyone there was a newbie at some point. 0 -
It is AMAZING the lengths these people on the forums will go to defend junk food, carbs, sugar, whatever! I have gotten into too many arguments I don't go there. I have had people flat out refute science and basic knowledge of blood sugar and tell me that's not how it works! You can't fight that, they can't hear anything but delusions and nastiness to others!0
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I'm just 4 days into Atkins and I've been learning as much as I can about it. So far it really feels like this is what I need for the short term. I also feel like this message board is the right place for me to be.0
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Hey everyone, I'm new to the group, and have been on MFP a month. I have learned a lot in my lifetime ( I'm 60), and it's sad that all the advice I got for 59 years was WRONG. "low fat" was all I ever heard. Bless dr. Atkins, he had it right way before anyone else I know of...anyway, I'm here to agree with you: carbs are the enemy!! Not fat! My son lost 100+ pounds last year, (he ate high fat/high protein) and he told me what he had learned about carbs. I'm insulin resistant, according to my Dr. . . But even he didn't tell me carbs are bad...
I have dieted practically my whole life. I can tell you for certain that calories are NOT created equally (as you all know) I guess I'm just trying to reaffirm that low carb is very good, and it's the ONLY way that I can lose weight. Now...I'm having trouble sleeping. . . I saw it could be the vitamin D I take, or not enough carbs at night? Is that right? I would love to hear anyone's advice, so please message me, dinobomp, so I can get some answers. I would love for any of you to friend me; so far I don't have any low carb friends that I know of except Nikon, and he's finished losing. I have a long way to go, and I can't exercise. My diary is open, and so is my profile. Thank you, let's all continue to help each other.
P.S. I saw a famous heart Dr. tell an audience that cholesterol does NOT cause heart attacks. It is the INFLAMMATION that causes the plaques to stick, and that what they have said for decades was WRONG. Doctors all need to step up and admit they have given us a lot of misinformation !! I believe that FINALLY, I am on the right path. Diane0 -
Welcome, Diane!0
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There's sugar (which I agree is a no-no) and there's the hidden sugars that are in processed foods that seem to be the cause of the obesity epidemic and the increasing numbers of those with metabolic syndrome/insulin resistance and Type 2 diabetes. I'm doing my best to try to keep my sugar intake as low as possible by only having 1-2 fresh whole fruits a day. When I'm cooking and want something to sweeten a dish, I use whole juice (like apple or orange) - not a lot, but enough to give extra flavor (like in baked apples with cinnamon). It is likely impossible to strip all sugars from your diet but certainly the junk sugars can be eliminated. I'm not a scientist...so take my "advice" for what it is worth!0
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I have just had 14 replies telling me that omitting sugar is a gimmick and stupid and will not result in weight loss. And sugar consumption has nothing to do with diabetes. So the mantra is stick to a calorie deficit and you will lose weight. Okay, I cant do that. Tried and tried and tried. I just end up binge eating on sugar. So I am going to do this no matter what the common sense multitude say.
What you did with your post is the same as going down to Skid Row and telling the alcoholic bums to stop drinking! You get the same response from the carboholics as the alcoholics and vice versa. I was a former carboholic. When I first heard of Lo-Carb, I fought it tooth & nail. Nobody's gonna take my carbs away from ME! (LOL!)
I thank God everyday for finding out about the Ketogenic diet....
Dan the Man from Michigan
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I am a low carber, too, and have been criticized about it. I know that if I eat refined sugar even one time a day, I will crave it all day long. I am also a diabetic and sugar does affect diabetes so I try to stay away from it. I think when people hear low carb they think that we eat all the meat and fats we want to and expect to lose weight. This is not true; I probably do eat more protein than a normal person does but it is also protein through dairy products and almond milk. I just don't talk about it so the outsiders can't judge me.0
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GaleHawkins wrote: »I did not know I was addicted to sugar carbs for most of my life and all the while it was wrecking my health. I only fully realized my addiction after trying to 'taper' off of sugar for Aug/Sept 2014 and could NOT. It took going cold turkey last Oct and the addiction just started regression after a couple weeks.
This really speaks to me. For ten years I've been trying to follow diet plans from nutritionists who prescribed a lower carb diet, but it was still higher than I think it should be. If I tried something like Atkins I was warned against going too low. "Eat X amount of carbs at these times of the day." It got me the few pounds gained and lost over and over with no real improvement. And now I can barely process some carbs at all. The last couple weeks I've upped my calories but lowered my carbs considerably and I feel amazing. I can't say too much about weight yet but so much else has improved. Today we had yet another potluck at work and I didn't want or eat the cake. And when a coworker kindly gave everyone candy I said thanks, put it in my purse, and let my husband eat it. If I were still following the old plan I would have eaten both.0 -
Reading all of these posts almost brought tears to my eyes! Actual intelligent, well read (and amazing grammar and spelling, btw) supportive people! I wanted to "Like" every post! I'm new to this app, and had a bit of a panic, when I saw how much over my "goal" of fats that I was. Somebody mentioned that the app does lean towards a calorie counting-based approach/guidelines. I can see now that I am on the right track, with my consumption of fats. I'm just working on getting my carbs down, under 50g/day (net).
So, a couple of questions...
1) What do all of you keep your carbs under/day?
2) What % of fat from daily calories do you aim for? Or do you look at grams/day instead?
3) Can I be friends with all of you?!!! Please feel free to add me, if you don't mind!0 -
NurseJilly76 wrote: »1) What do all of you keep your carbs under/day?
2) What % of fat from daily calories do you aim for? Or do you look at grams/day instead?
3) Can I be friends with all of you?!!! Please feel free to add me, if you don't mind!
It's early days for me yet. I'm on my 22nd day LCHF but my answers for you...
1) I aim to be under 20g carbs at the moment
2) I aim for between 90g and 150g fats, but ideally around 125g
2a) I aim for around 70g to 80g protein, though some days I don't make it high enough.
3) I'll send you a request.
My food diary is open if you wish to look. Some of the things that say raw are only for calculations, I don't eat them that way
I hadn't noticed the grammar and spelling but your comment made me smile because I really don't like 'text speak' or sloppiness, unless it's from someone without English as their first language LOL
All the best Jilly,
May
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NurseJilly76 wrote: »Reading all of these posts almost brought tears to my eyes! Actual intelligent, well read (and amazing grammar and spelling, btw) supportive people! I wanted to "Like" every post! I'm new to this app, and had a bit of a panic, when I saw how much over my "goal" of fats that I was. Somebody mentioned that the app does lean towards a calorie counting-based approach/guidelines. I can see now that I am on the right track, with my consumption of fats. I'm just working on getting my carbs down, under 50g/day (net).
So, a couple of questions...
1) What do all of you keep your carbs under/day?
2) What % of fat from daily calories do you aim for? Or do you look at grams/day instead?
3) Can I be friends with all of you?!!! Please feel free to add me, if you don't mind!
There are a few threads that already answer those questions, so be sure to click the "View All Discussions" link and check them out.
What I do (and I think a lot of others do, too), is set protein and carb goals, and let fat fill in the rest. So, for example, I've got my carbs set to 40g, and protein set to 100g, then let fat fill in the rest, which ends up around 150g or about 73% of calories. The amount is pretty flexible, since what matters is keeping under your carb goal and getting close to your protein goal. The amount of fat you eat in a day depends, then, on how much you end up eating. Some days you may be way under, while others you may be over, but as long as it averages out to your goal in the long run, you should see the results you're going for.0 -
NurseJilly76 wrote: »Reading all of these posts almost brought tears to my eyes! Actual intelligent, well read (and amazing grammar and spelling, btw) supportive people! I wanted to "Like" every post! I'm new to this app, and had a bit of a panic, when I saw how much over my "goal" of fats that I was. Somebody mentioned that the app does lean towards a calorie counting-based approach/guidelines. I can see now that I am on the right track, with my consumption of fats. I'm just working on getting my carbs down, under 50g/day (net).
So, a couple of questions...
1) What do all of you keep your carbs under/day?
2) What % of fat from daily calories do you aim for? Or do you look at grams/day instead?
3) Can I be friends with all of you?!!! Please feel free to add me, if you don't mind!
I use this to set up my base macros. Before I had a calculator, I was working off doctors' guidelines, but I like the convenience of being able to adjust on the fly as I lose weight without having to do all the math myself. (doctor is fine with the calculator). I stay around 4/77/18, though I have to use a script to make MFP let me track it that way.
As someone else mentioned, I don't aim for fat. Protein is a goal, carbs is a limit, fat is something to keep the ratios balanced, but there's no reason to eat it all. It's a tool to keep me in ketosis, and if you're not going as low as keto, it's even less of a goal for you to hit.0
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