Another low carb thread assault ....smh...
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_Terrapin_ wrote: »Of course she was looking for a fight;
Really ? Her initial post wasThe best way ive found to drop lbs without pills or starving! Anyone else use this method? Interested in ideas, recipes, and success stories!
which within 30 minutes got non-helpful replies from
AJ_G
ndj1979
Liftng4Lis
eric_sg61
and one supportive answer. Not something MFP can be proud of.
Well setup stakes and start burning folks; I seem to recall in this group(low carbers), not too long ago, someone specifically stated to go in and attack a group for XXX so you can argue with them. Not much to be proud of there either.
At the end of the day, you know who is going to argue to 'be right'. Is it so important to continue dialogue with one or two individuals to add fuel to their needs? I have been on this site for 3 years and it is fairly obvious who has been here longer and feels the need to be MFP evangelical. I choose to lurk more then comment since at the end day some people use a different set of tools to reach a goal and some people use another set. The analogy I gave someone in the thread through a PM was "You can use a hammer to open a door or just to turn the knob" In the past I have directed folks to this group for low carb ideas. It still seems to be the best strategy since low carb is similar to sugar threads in that it evokes the same cast of people and their evangelizing. . .BTW one or two folks listed are friends of mine on here. . .they probably have similar life experiences as some of you. . . .then again. . . .be well folks, continue toward your goals.
PS--the nipple brigade. . . .baconslave you crack me up.....0 -
I made the mistake of venturing into that thread earlier. Egads. When I first did LC a decade ago those sorts of responses were to be expected, but it's 2015, FFS. On the bright side, I had forgotten about this group, so it's nice to be reading here, again.
On a sort of personal side note, a month or so ago I had hit a stall and was frustrated. Someone who I had considered a dear friend chose to argue with me about LC, told me it was unsafe and that she could not support me in this WOE...while giving me a link from some blogger who was bullet-pointing disordered eating (mostly suggesting that eliminating a food group is dangerous -- meanwhile a fellow friend who is vegan was vehemently agreeing with her. Hypocrisy, much?). One of the writer's bullet-points was that criticizing and failing to support a friend's weight loss efforts is its own form of an eating disorder. Guess that was lost on her.0 -
I literally can't even go on the main boards because it stress's me out. Also, kind of messes with my head in the way of CICO, they make it sound fine to eat cheetos and Diet Mt for breakfast as long as it's with in your calories. I personally am trying to get the carb/sugar monkey off of my back and I can't have people telling me it's ok to have cookies and candy. The cookies and Candy got me into this is very addicting for me personally. Another problem that I have with the main board is that it's either their way or the highway there is no tolerance for any other type of view. Someone posted the other day about limiting calories and as a side note she mentioned limiting carbs and the torches came out saying carbs aren't bad. Well, for some people they are and each person has to figure it out themselves and they are steering a lot of people in the wrong direction.0
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I am well aware of why I don't comment in the forums. I've had a 180 degree turn on my approach to dieting and losing weight. I started out as a pure CICO bigot. I was that guy folks.** The reason most of my weight logs are done on "The Hacker's Diet" website is because it was his book that I took as Truth! when I started my journey to lose weight. If you go read it, it's 100% CICO theology. Somewhere, unless it's been lost to time, I even have an email John Walker (the author) wrote to me in response to some questions I had.
I know how I reacted to competing ideas back then. I openly scoffed at Atkins. I lambasted any "fad" diet. Losing weight was simple! Just eat less and [possibly] move more. Now, I think eating less (than you desire) has nothing to do with it. And exercise is a "eh, if I feel like it" proposition. I know exactly how my current dogma will be reacted to out there. So, I don't really talk about it. I just bug ya'll in here with my insanity.
** Yes, I realize that I am now on another extreme, moderation has never been my style.0 -
After watching the science behind LCHF in videos like "Why We Get Fat" and "Sugar: The Bitter Truth" I feel like I should be telling everyone! This is a big deal! My father is around 400lbs and has been obese for as long as Ive been born. His doctor wanted him to have bariatric surgery but he wouldnt do it. He has high blood pressure and is on diuretics because he retains so much water. I want to tell him to watch these videos, just lower your carbs, you dont have to go Keto, just dont eat sugar, eat only a little whole grain breads, fill up on fat and eat your protein, Youll feel better and lose weight! Sure it might be hard at first, but you will be okay!
But Im afraid of the judgement. All the articles on how 'bad' it is, that say your cholesterol will go up. Its just a fad. Its CICO. Im hoping maybe when he sees me again in a few months and sees how much weight I'll have hopefully lost, he'll ask me how I did it and let me show him those videos and maybe he will give it a chance.0 -
LunaKate, I think you have it exactly right. Maybe your dad will see your progress and ask you how you have done it. That opens the door for you to tell him. But it is up to him to step through. If he asks, show him the videos, because then it is someone else explaining why this is a great WOE. And if anyone gives you flak, just smile and thank them for being concerned, then do what you know is right.0
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profile of ndj1979 shows this buff dude has POSTED 16,000++ times here…think muscle brain has a job? he specifically argues and sneers at everyone forcing the CICO no matter what the poor poster tried to say…this guy actually told a woman with severe other medical issues that "rules of CICO are not suspend because you have X disease" ..HUH??..actually that is EXACTLY what it means, hahahah!!! I saw the COOLEST flow chart on NOT engaging in any of these cat fights..this will calm you right down. try it
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Very good.KETOGENICGURL wrote: »profile of ndj1979 I saw the COOLEST flow chart on NOT engaging in any of these cat fights..this will calm you right down. try it
myfitnesspal.com/blog/BooleanOperator/view/so-you-re-mad-about-something-on-the-internet-732637
LOVE it ketogenicgurl.0 -
I decided to edit this. I didn't want to add to the situation.
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DANG! So many people trying super hard to just be RIGHT. What a waste of time... and I only got through to page 3....
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_Terrapin_ wrote: »_Terrapin_ wrote: »Of course she was looking for a fight;
Really ? Her initial post wasThe best way ive found to drop lbs without pills or starving! Anyone else use this method? Interested in ideas, recipes, and success stories!
which within 30 minutes got non-helpful replies from
AJ_G
ndj1979
Liftng4Lis
eric_sg61
and one supportive answer. Not something MFP can be proud of.
Well setup stakes and start burning folks; I seem to recall in this group(low carbers), not too long ago, someone specifically stated to go in and attack a group for XXX so you can argue with them. Not much to be proud of there either.KETOGENICGURL wrote: »profile of ndj1979 shows this buff dude has POSTED 16,000++ times here…think muscle brain has a job? he specifically argues and sneers at everyone forcing the CICO no matter what the poor poster tried to say…this guy actually told a woman with severe other medical issues that "rules of CICO are not suspend because you have X disease" ..HUH??..actually that is EXACTLY what it means, hahahah!!! I saw the COOLEST flow chart on NOT engaging in any of these cat fights..this will calm you right down. try it
myfitnesspal.com/blog/BooleanOperator/view/so-you-re-mad-about-something-on-the-internet-732637
LURVE it.0 -
KETOGENICGURL wrote: »
myfitnesspal.com/blog/BooleanOperator/view/so-you-re-mad-about-something-on-the-internet-732637
Haaaa! This should be the header advertisement for ALL posts in the Main Forums. And at the end of each thread, and awards listing.
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I can't...I just can't.
To each their own...why is that so hard for people? I stop reading whenever I see someone post "You need to"...um who are you to tell someone else that you DON'T REALLY KNOW what to do. Nope, not for me.
I get the CICO who are young, buff folks who live in the gym and literally can not comprehend how their body may someday betray them. They have just been lucky. But they think they've got the magic formula for everyone and will dig in to represent their opinion to the point of attacking others. bleh...
So, for the most part I stay off the main forums. I occasionally take a peek into the food and nutrition boards, but invariably in the first page is a thread ripping low carb or low sugar dieters. So I just close out of the window and say a little prayer that they are not such big @$$holes in the real world!0 -
I can't help myself today for some reason (though I wouldn't be surprised if my posts get pulled before you see this): http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10107020/cutting-carbs0
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okay, okay...sorry, I had a moment of weakness and had to jump in on that thread. WTF is that woman thinking aligning low carb advice with suicide advice.
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I gave a little support. I really am starting to think MFP is setting some of this up. Seriously. Its the same people deliberately "misunderstanding" every single time. Ah well. That OP also has the link and 3 invites to come over here. Hopefully she will.0
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Decreasing carb intake a little bit over normal consumption can be helpful to weight loss, but going super low carb is a great way to have low energy all the time and loose muscle mass
Got to love uneducated.0 -
*lose. Morons. 0
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I gave a little support. I really am starting to think MFP is setting some of this up. Seriously. Its the same people deliberately "misunderstanding" every single time. Ah well. That OP also has the link and 3 invites to come over here. Hopefully she will.
It got to the point I had it out with someone in charge directly the other day, and I do think they said something, at least to a few of the worst, because they seem to have backed down a lot. Unfortunately, there's always someone else waiting to step up and take their place.0 -
We should just post our LCHF success before/after pics for them all the time. So they can see we ate like that for MONTHS and lost way more weight 0
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Just what?! Ive dieted and exercised for years and couldnt get good results! If placebo worked I wouldnt still be 50lbs over weight!0 -
BTW, what ultimately came out of my mod-gument this week was the instruction to go forth and report them every time they hijack a thread like that. So, in this case, the bridge comment AND the placebo should be hit for thread-jacking or trolling. That means using the real report function under flag, not just tagging it spam or abuse.
Part of the reason I think they've been getting away with it so long is everyone just quits the site or quits the forums instead of flagging down the mods when they pull this crap. Report it on page one, it might not get to page 6. I asked why "my fan" had been allowed to follow and harass people besides me for weeks, and the answer I got was they were reviewing post history and agree rules were being broken. Apparently, that's the first time the mods bothered reading any of his posts.0 -
I gave a little support. I really am starting to think MFP is setting some of this up. Seriously. Its the same people deliberately "misunderstanding" every single time. Ah well. That OP also has the link and 3 invites to come over here. Hopefully she will.
It got to the point I had it out with someone in charge directly the other day, and I do think they said something, at least to a few of the worst, because they seem to have backed down a lot. Unfortunately, there's always someone else waiting to step up and take their place.
Thank you. I've been considering this myself but wasn't sure who to go to.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »
Just what?! Ive dieted and exercised for years and couldnt get good results! If placebo worked I wouldnt still be 50lbs over weight!
That guy can say the most unhelpful things in the nastiest ways. I usually just skip over him.0 -
I gave a little support. I really am starting to think MFP is setting some of this up. Seriously. Its the same people deliberately "misunderstanding" every single time. Ah well. That OP also has the link and 3 invites to come over here. Hopefully she will.
It got to the point I had it out with someone in charge directly the other day, and I do think they said something, at least to a few of the worst, because they seem to have backed down a lot. Unfortunately, there's always someone else waiting to step up and take their place.
Thank you. I've been considering this myself but wasn't sure who to go to.
Talk to Olivia - she's an actual employee, not a volunteer: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/user/Olivia/profile/Olivia?target=&redirected=true0 -
okay, okay...sorry, I had a moment of weakness and had to jump in on that thread. WTF is that woman thinking aligning low carb advice with suicide advice.
Honestly? I think she's thinking of derailing the thread so she cause a "debate" that the low carbers "started" in order to make herself feel good about her calorie intake. You'd think we were attacking their religion or parenting skills or something.0 -
Thanks JPW, I'll keep that in mind. I did report those two posters. I'm all for different opinions, truly, I love it. I even love a good debate but its just getting ridiculous. We shouldn't have to come over here just to have a decent conversation, you know. Not that I don't love y'all. 0
