I believe everyone is entitled to eek out a living. All authors deserve a payday.
I'm also of the belief one person's science could be another person's fiction.

My diabetes sees beans as carbs and should be avoided. Nuts hurt my teeth so
I can't tell what they do to my diabetes.

Over the last few months I've "written my own book" its called "My Food Log"
It's under public domain here at MFP, it tells the story of
how I got my diabetes under control.
It's a simple read but I like it.

FIT_Goat wrote: »

What do I think? I think eating plants and plant products in any amount beyond seasoning or medicinal amounts is harmful. The best food for humans is animal fats and proteins. Hmm, I should write my own book and make money.

There you go!
Fame & Fortune

My girl friend lost 40 or 50 pounds with his mostly vegan diet. She's gained most of it back a year later - from the over-consumption of nuts. (I think.) It's interesting that since I started eating more meat, I am no longer craving nuts. I think that most of the health benefits that people see from his program is the (almost total) reduction of grain in their diet.

My fats from meat most days are currently from three strips of bacon. I think many many many people confuse LCHF with LCHP. In my case I really have to keep my protein around 70 grams daily to keep from getting knocked out of ketosis or at least dent it. Selling books is hard I am sure.

Jimmy Moore has a few opinions: http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/if-this-is-how-i-eat-to-live-then-kill-me-now/832

I agree, let's just publish our food logs and rake in the bucks!

pennell12 wrote: »

camtosh wrote: »

Jimmy Moore has a few opinions: http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/if-this-is-how-i-eat-to-live-then-kill-me-now/832

I agree, let's just publish our food logs and rake in the bucks!

I am not a Furham apologist. This is basocally a vegan diet that is low carb. It might work for some people.

We have several vegetarian and vegan members of this group. So, in that respect, I will say that it does work for some people. I certainly don't think animal fats and proteins are harmful, in any way. So, if someone was convinced they need to try and do this in a vegetarian/vegan manner only because they've been led to believe eating animals will harm them, then I would hope they realize the truth.

For many people here, this way of eating is hard enough at the start. It is even harder when you're convinced that the staple foods (for most people) are actively unhealthy. There's nothing harmful about meat. If you don't want to eat it for ethical, taste, or other reasons then that's fine. If you're only avoiding it because you think meat will kill you, you've been misinformed.

From his site: https://www.drfuhrman.com/weightloss/compare.aspx

The Nutritarian diet style incorporates the three basic, irrefutable facts about diet and health for the greatest likelihood of weight loss success and superior health even in one’s later years of life:

• Vegetables, beans, fruit, nuts and seeds are good for you.
• Excessive amounts of meat or other animal products cause disease.
• Eliminating refined carbohydrates will aid in sustainable weight loss and overall health.

He claims those three statements are basic and irrefutable facts, but they're not. They're just strongly held opinions that he has. While I might agree with the last opinion, the first two have little to no basis in science. Actually, the way the second one is worded is flat out wrong. Even if there was a strong relationship between eating animal products and disease (which there isn't), there's no research strong enough to be able to claim that they "cause" disease. People who carry lighters are more likely to be smokers. Carrying lighters doesn't cause people to become smokers.

The first one is pure speculation and is based off of misleading studies. Most studies that show increasing vegetables, beans, fruits, nut, and seeds in the diet as beneficial don't account for the fact that these foods typically replace the highly processed "junk" foods and refined carbohydrates in someone's diet. What he claims are irrefutable facts, remain nothing more than opinion.

Of course, if he said his diet was based on "three basic, strongly held opinions about diet and health," he wouldn't be very good at marketing his diet.

pennell12 wrote: »

PLease don't shoot the messenger here but he also claims that Keto diets can cause heart problems and people have died from them. This really scared me.

I have no idea what he is referencing with that claim. Most people see vast improvements in cardiovascular health markers when eating keto (increased HDL, decreased trigs, etc.) and don't have problems. The only thing I can think this relates to might be the electrolyte issues some people have at the start. That is, you might have low potassium, magnesium, and sodium. Those are important for proper heart functioning. So, it's probably smart to supplement those during adaptation.

It helps to remember that cholesterol and heart disease are not strongly linked until the numbers are just insane (way, way higher than even the numbers typically considered too high). High triglycerides combined with low HDL seem to be strong indicators that something is wrong, although we can't be sure that they cause it and aren't just a symptom of something else happening.

Edit: Here's more on this: http://www.livestrong.com/article/536384-ketogenic-diet-and-heart-failure/

Studies indicate that the original ketogenic diet can initiate a heart condition, whereas the weight-loss version reduces the risk factors for heart disease. This suggests that overweight individuals with heart failure may benefit from following the weight-loss version of the ketogenic diet. Following the original diet, however, could present a risk for heart patients.

If anything, I am just looking for some reassurance that this is not correct. I cannot live as a a Vegan though I prere not to eat a lot of red meat. Just never liked it.

It's not correct. It's not at all correct. He has an agenda that he's trying to push.

My cardiologist put me on meat-based keto because of my heart and my lab numbers have consistently dropped although I eat meat pretty much every meal. I would suggest Fuhrman's misinformed or working from his own bias. That's not to say the resistant starches aren't a good idea, but they aren't a cure-all or "the best" diet. The body is a complex chemistry set and each one works a little differently. To claim any diet is the best neglects this basic fact.

pennell12 wrote: »

Would a multivitamin be enough to supplement these things?

Depends on the multivitamin and each person's nutritional needs. In my case, no. I take 3 Rx strength per day (I had WLS and have malabsorption) and I still had to add sodium, potassium, and magnesium supps. I was ok with 3 per day until I went into keto, then I needed to supplement. I always recommend you go to your doctor and get a blood panel done. Bloodwork sucks, but it'll tell you what you need to do, especially if you have other issues that excess micros might exacerbate.

One of Furhman's problems is he links most of his arguments against animal products to the China "Study" (my quotes). It is actually a survey with many variables for interpretation.

pennell12 wrote: »

camtosh wrote: »

Jimmy Moore has a few opinions: http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/if-this-is-how-i-eat-to-live-then-kill-me-now/832

I agree, let's just publish our food logs and rake in the bucks!

I am not a Furham apologist. This is basocally a vegan diet that is low carb. It might work for some people.

I wouldn't say it's low carb, per se, just whole plant food, low animal food focused. Given the amount of fruit, it can't possibly be low carb.

And probably a pretty healthy way to eat. There are many healthy ways to eat. The key for most of us is finding what works best for us, for our bodies. And that may change with time.