pennell12 wrote: »

he also claims that Keto diets can cause heart problems and people have died from them. This really scared me.

There are many ways to implement "keto." Some of the early medical implementations were extreme and caused the body to waste important minerals, like selenium. A selenium deficiency can cause heart problems. People around here get plenty by eating eggs, for example.

I have it. Read it

I took the good on eating more fibrous food and nuts

Left the rest.

pennell12 wrote: »

The only thing I can think this relates to might be the electrolyte issues some people have at the start. That is, you might have low potassium, magnesium, and sodium. Those are important for proper heart functioning. So, it's probably smart to supplement those during adaptation.

Yes, this is what he was referring to I think, Heart Rhythm things. Would a multivitamin be enough to supplement these things?

Not for sodium. Just eat salty food. You only lose potassium if you lose too much sodium.

I just found this on La Vida Low Carb: "One of my Keto Clarity experts Dr. William Davis said people on a ketogenic diet can get an adequate amount of indigestible fibers to feed their gut flora while maintaining a proper therapeutic level of nutritional ketosis doing the things he shared in that except from my book above. Dr. Rosedale noted in my Keto Clarity podcast interview with him that it’s unnecessary to resort to resistant starch as has become in vogue lately to feed the microbiome. The fiber content of non-starchy vegetables provide a smorgasbord of food to feed the gut bugs without the insulin spike that accompanies such an approach. While it is indeed resistant, upwards of half of the carbohydrate content still impacts the metabolism raising blood sugar and insulin levels–making it less-than-ideal for a ketogenic dieter to be consuming. Instead, opt for the fibrous low-carb veggies to get the benefits of feeding the microbiota without the harmful blood sugar and insulin response."

fastforlife1 wrote: »

I just found this on La Vida Low Carb: "One of my Keto Clarity experts Dr. William Davis said people on a ketogenic diet can get an adequate amount of indigestible fibers to feed their gut flora while maintaining a proper therapeutic level of nutritional ketosis doing the things he shared in that except from my book above. Dr. Rosedale noted in my Keto Clarity podcast interview with him that it’s unnecessary to resort to resistant starch as has become in vogue lately to feed the microbiome. The fiber content of non-starchy vegetables provide a smorgasbord of food to feed the gut bugs without the insulin spike that accompanies such an approach. While it is indeed resistant, upwards of half of the carbohydrate content still impacts the metabolism raising blood sugar and insulin levels–making it less-than-ideal for a ketogenic dieter to be consuming. Instead, opt for the fibrous low-carb veggies to get the benefits of feeding the microbiota without the harmful blood sugar and insulin response."

That is my diet

High fiber veggies and meat.

I used to think meat was the key but an adequate amount of veggies is key for me to get. I easily get protein since I like it.

I'm curious (not trolling), how do vegans do LC. I eat meat so it's foreign to me.

KenSmith108 wrote: »

I'm curious (not trolling), how do vegans do LC. I eat meat so it's foreign to me.

Low carb vegans are few and far between, and what I've seen suggest that it's still higher carb than most of us here do, but it boils down to a fair bit of soy and some nuts.

pennell12 wrote: »

Hi all,

Just got a new book called "The End of Diabetes" by Joel Furham, M.D. He claims that lchf is dangerous due to too much animal fats and protein. He advocates what he calls Resistant Starch in the form of beans and nuts.

What do you all think?

Frankly, I think Furhman's a jerk who resorts to ad hominem attacks and attempts at character assassination whenever he's challenged. Case and point, his responses to Chris Masterjohn regarding the health and longevity of the Inuit (Furhman also has at least one article dedicated to

Also, both Furhman and Campbell seem to think that "low animal products" equates to "no animal products."

Also, as others have pointed out, his primary source is the China Study, which has been debunked numerous times. His website appears to have numerous citations per article, but when you actually follow them, they're nearly all to other articles he's written. I followed a few once (on his diseaseproof site) and never did find the original sources/studies backing his claims. The things he does cite that aren't his own stuff either back the strawmen he's built (see Atkins/Paleo claim below) or are only tangentially related to the claims he's making (and that's not even getting into the validity of the studies, which, if you've been around this group for any length of time, you'll know that the vast majority of the nutritional studies are fatally flawed to the point of being invalid).

He also claims Atkins and Paleo are "low carb, high protein" diets, which they are most certainly not. Atkins is LCHF, and Paleo's macronutrient ratios are completely individualized.

But what about the testimonials that his diet works? That's simple -- anything other than SAD is an improvement. Anything that encourages whole foods is a vast improvement. It's also why vegan and vegetarian and Mediterranean and fruitarian and Paleo and carnivore all have pretty much the same amount of improvement across the board. The question then becomes -- of the people who stay on a given diet for years, who retains those health benefits, who at least stay level, and whose health declines?

Dragonwolf wrote: »

The question then becomes -- of the people who stay on a given diet for years, who retains those health benefits, who at least stay level, and whose health declines?[/quote]

Now that would be an interesting study.