Skinny people shouldn't give fat people weight loss advice.
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auntstephie321 wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Cryren8972 wrote: »walker1world wrote: »Cryren8972 wrote: »walker1world wrote: »Cryren8972 wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »Yep, this is one of the things I absolutely hate about the main forums. It has improved over the past couple years, but there is still this hard-headed, closed-minded assumption by so many active users that CICO is simple, infallible, and works universally for everybody.
These users just think... if you aren't losing weight, just eat less and exercise more. I know from personal experience it doesn't work that way. If your experiences show that CICO is not that simple, they will argue with your experience. They will argue they are lying on your food diary or that you are over-reporting exercise (even if your only exercise is from your Fitbit, which a new study from Japan now has shown under-estimate actual calories out, though by a small amount that is likely the CO while showering and charging when Fitbit isn't being worn). If you are doing everything right and not seeing results (i.e. CICO isn't working), there is an incredible wave of vitriol from members who are fit (some of which always were fit).
I never had a 42 inch waist, but I'm fairly short and was at a 38 inch waist at my heaviest. I realize my 60 lbs. overweight was very little compared to some. And I get the sense from the forums that weight loss is really easy for most people. But I know for sure that it is not that simple for everybody.
It certainly wasn't for me. I've just started, but I'm hoping THIS works. I've tried eating "clean", I've counted calories, weighed and measured food, and couldn't lose weight on 1200-1500 calories a day. I was so concerned about it, I went to the doctor, and they checked my thyroid, which is a LITTLE sluggish, but still within normal range. The doctor just shrugged and said that either I was under counting my calories, or I needed to eat more calories to lose weight. I assured him that eating more calories would be a disaster.
The only way I was able to lose weight is on a VERY low calorie diet of 600-900 a day, and that just wasn't sustainable for me. I did manage to do it right before I met my husband, but a normal day for me was Breakfast: one apple Lunch: low cal soup and 100 calorie popcorn Dinner: Tuna over a salad with a small amount of dressing. That was a 600 calorie day, and I had been doing this for over a year. I was a size 8....but I still weighed 160 lbs. I'm 5'4.
I'd give anything to weigh 160 lbs now.
I'm reeeeaaallllllyyyyy hoping this works.
So far I've dropped 7 lbs in less than a week.
Congratulations on your weight loss. What kind of diet are doing?
LCHF at the moment. I may tweak it before it's over with. lolCryren8972 wrote: »walker1world wrote: »Cryren8972 wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »Yep, this is one of the things I absolutely hate about the main forums. It has improved over the past couple years, but there is still this hard-headed, closed-minded assumption by so many active users that CICO is simple, infallible, and works universally for everybody.
These users just think... if you aren't losing weight, just eat less and exercise more. I know from personal experience it doesn't work that way. If your experiences show that CICO is not that simple, they will argue with your experience. They will argue they are lying on your food diary or that you are over-reporting exercise (even if your only exercise is from your Fitbit, which a new study from Japan now has shown under-estimate actual calories out, though by a small amount that is likely the CO while showering and charging when Fitbit isn't being worn). If you are doing everything right and not seeing results (i.e. CICO isn't working), there is an incredible wave of vitriol from members who are fit (some of which always were fit).
I never had a 42 inch waist, but I'm fairly short and was at a 38 inch waist at my heaviest. I realize my 60 lbs. overweight was very little compared to some. And I get the sense from the forums that weight loss is really easy for most people. But I know for sure that it is not that simple for everybody.
It certainly wasn't for me. I've just started, but I'm hoping THIS works. I've tried eating "clean", I've counted calories, weighed and measured food, and couldn't lose weight on 1200-1500 calories a day. I was so concerned about it, I went to the doctor, and they checked my thyroid, which is a LITTLE sluggish, but still within normal range. The doctor just shrugged and said that either I was under counting my calories, or I needed to eat more calories to lose weight. I assured him that eating more calories would be a disaster.
The only way I was able to lose weight is on a VERY low calorie diet of 600-900 a day, and that just wasn't sustainable for me. I did manage to do it right before I met my husband, but a normal day for me was Breakfast: one apple Lunch: low cal soup and 100 calorie popcorn Dinner: Tuna over a salad with a small amount of dressing. That was a 600 calorie day, and I had been doing this for over a year. I was a size 8....but I still weighed 160 lbs. I'm 5'4.
I'd give anything to weigh 160 lbs now.
I'm reeeeaaallllllyyyyy hoping this works.
So far I've dropped 7 lbs in less than a week.
Congratulations on your weight loss. What kind of diet are doing?
LCHF at the moment. I may tweak it before it's over with. lolCryren8972 wrote: »walker1world wrote: »Cryren8972 wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »Yep, this is one of the things I absolutely hate about the main forums. It has improved over the past couple years, but there is still this hard-headed, closed-minded assumption by so many active users that CICO is simple, infallible, and works universally for everybody.
These users just think... if you aren't losing weight, just eat less and exercise more. I know from personal experience it doesn't work that way. If your experiences show that CICO is not that simple, they will argue with your experience. They will argue they are lying on your food diary or that you are over-reporting exercise (even if your only exercise is from your Fitbit, which a new study from Japan now has shown under-estimate actual calories out, though by a small amount that is likely the CO while showering and charging when Fitbit isn't being worn). If you are doing everything right and not seeing results (i.e. CICO isn't working), there is an incredible wave of vitriol from members who are fit (some of which always were fit).
I never had a 42 inch waist, but I'm fairly short and was at a 38 inch waist at my heaviest. I realize my 60 lbs. overweight was very little compared to some. And I get the sense from the forums that weight loss is really easy for most people. But I know for sure that it is not that simple for everybody.
It certainly wasn't for me. I've just started, but I'm hoping THIS works. I've tried eating "clean", I've counted calories, weighed and measured food, and couldn't lose weight on 1200-1500 calories a day. I was so concerned about it, I went to the doctor, and they checked my thyroid, which is a LITTLE sluggish, but still within normal range. The doctor just shrugged and said that either I was under counting my calories, or I needed to eat more calories to lose weight. I assured him that eating more calories would be a disaster.
The only way I was able to lose weight is on a VERY low calorie diet of 600-900 a day, and that just wasn't sustainable for me. I did manage to do it right before I met my husband, but a normal day for me was Breakfast: one apple Lunch: low cal soup and 100 calorie popcorn Dinner: Tuna over a salad with a small amount of dressing. That was a 600 calorie day, and I had been doing this for over a year. I was a size 8....but I still weighed 160 lbs. I'm 5'4.
I'd give anything to weigh 160 lbs now.
I'm reeeeaaallllllyyyyy hoping this works.
So far I've dropped 7 lbs in less than a week.
Congratulations on your weight loss. What kind of diet are doing?
LCHF at the moment. I may tweak it before it's over with. lol
I ubderstand, for me low carb has been a journey. I went from atkins, to LCHF, now I am Keto. I anticipate that when I get to 165 I will do paleo to maintain.
What is the difference between LCHF and Keto?
From my understanding, they're both low carb high fat, right?
The reason I ask, is because I joined a Facebook page called Ketogenic Diet...but when I mentioned high fat, they said they didn't recommend that there, and to read their pinned post.
There...they had a lot of conflicting information. They said they weren't LCHF, but the pdf they had you use, specifically said LCHF.
So I'm a tad confused as to the difference.
I would leave that group ASAP. I don't know what they're doing.
Lchf is basically anything below 150g carbs and replacing those carbs with fat.
Keto is basically anything below 50g carbs (or whatever it takes to maintain the metabolic state of ketosis) and replacing those carbs with fat.
They're likely doing low carb high protein, but many of those fb groups are not worth the time.
Probably but they're calling it LCHF and Keto, which isn't what low carb high protein is.
So I feel like their are likely a lot of misinformed, confused people on there.3 -
People felt full and stopped eating and didn't want to be called greedy- it was a mindset. Somehow things changed <<< what changed in the Senator McGovern 1970s group developing a NATIONAL Dietary Guide pst WWII...pushing high carbs eventually (grains) on all of us with NO studies as proof, only a few MDs input.
Dr. Adkins was actually denigrates by peers when he went before this Gov. group, and so Dr. Ancel Keys WON with his tweaked "6-7 country study" of "rice eaters"..a cherrypicked elimination of 10 or more other countries. Can you see where this leads?
When YOUR OWN government gets involved in what you eat, and nothing was BROKEN, FEW fat people as you said (look at ANY photos of groups of soldiers, or high school group pics) so "guiding us" was a mistake.
EVERYONE knew "potatoes and bread 'made you fat'...but with Pritikin's no fat diet, and Frances Lappe's (Diet for a Small Planet) influence public mindset, PLUS our President Eisenhower* had a heart attack, blamed on his DIET.......we are were told to DROP the fats, eat fewer eggs..so we DID...sugar got added to make up for taste, and now have 600% rise in diabetes, 70% are overweight.
* Remember when Bush hated broccoli? when Reagan ate Jelly Belly candy? It changed the national mindset...powerful people influence the rest...for no VALID reason! (just to name the only ones I recall influencing us, maybe Carter, Ford and Clinton did too.) Poor Eisenhower dies eating a Melba toast diet, how awful to be advised to that.6 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »auntstephie321 wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Cryren8972 wrote: »walker1world wrote: »Cryren8972 wrote: »walker1world wrote: »Cryren8972 wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »Yep, this is one of the things I absolutely hate about the main forums. It has improved over the past couple years, but there is still this hard-headed, closed-minded assumption by so many active users that CICO is simple, infallible, and works universally for everybody.
These users just think... if you aren't losing weight, just eat less and exercise more. I know from personal experience it doesn't work that way. If your experiences show that CICO is not that simple, they will argue with your experience. They will argue they are lying on your food diary or that you are over-reporting exercise (even if your only exercise is from your Fitbit, which a new study from Japan now has shown under-estimate actual calories out, though by a small amount that is likely the CO while showering and charging when Fitbit isn't being worn). If you are doing everything right and not seeing results (i.e. CICO isn't working), there is an incredible wave of vitriol from members who are fit (some of which always were fit).
I never had a 42 inch waist, but I'm fairly short and was at a 38 inch waist at my heaviest. I realize my 60 lbs. overweight was very little compared to some. And I get the sense from the forums that weight loss is really easy for most people. But I know for sure that it is not that simple for everybody.
It certainly wasn't for me. I've just started, but I'm hoping THIS works. I've tried eating "clean", I've counted calories, weighed and measured food, and couldn't lose weight on 1200-1500 calories a day. I was so concerned about it, I went to the doctor, and they checked my thyroid, which is a LITTLE sluggish, but still within normal range. The doctor just shrugged and said that either I was under counting my calories, or I needed to eat more calories to lose weight. I assured him that eating more calories would be a disaster.
The only way I was able to lose weight is on a VERY low calorie diet of 600-900 a day, and that just wasn't sustainable for me. I did manage to do it right before I met my husband, but a normal day for me was Breakfast: one apple Lunch: low cal soup and 100 calorie popcorn Dinner: Tuna over a salad with a small amount of dressing. That was a 600 calorie day, and I had been doing this for over a year. I was a size 8....but I still weighed 160 lbs. I'm 5'4.
I'd give anything to weigh 160 lbs now.
I'm reeeeaaallllllyyyyy hoping this works.
So far I've dropped 7 lbs in less than a week.
Congratulations on your weight loss. What kind of diet are doing?
LCHF at the moment. I may tweak it before it's over with. lolCryren8972 wrote: »walker1world wrote: »Cryren8972 wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »Yep, this is one of the things I absolutely hate about the main forums. It has improved over the past couple years, but there is still this hard-headed, closed-minded assumption by so many active users that CICO is simple, infallible, and works universally for everybody.
These users just think... if you aren't losing weight, just eat less and exercise more. I know from personal experience it doesn't work that way. If your experiences show that CICO is not that simple, they will argue with your experience. They will argue they are lying on your food diary or that you are over-reporting exercise (even if your only exercise is from your Fitbit, which a new study from Japan now has shown under-estimate actual calories out, though by a small amount that is likely the CO while showering and charging when Fitbit isn't being worn). If you are doing everything right and not seeing results (i.e. CICO isn't working), there is an incredible wave of vitriol from members who are fit (some of which always were fit).
I never had a 42 inch waist, but I'm fairly short and was at a 38 inch waist at my heaviest. I realize my 60 lbs. overweight was very little compared to some. And I get the sense from the forums that weight loss is really easy for most people. But I know for sure that it is not that simple for everybody.
It certainly wasn't for me. I've just started, but I'm hoping THIS works. I've tried eating "clean", I've counted calories, weighed and measured food, and couldn't lose weight on 1200-1500 calories a day. I was so concerned about it, I went to the doctor, and they checked my thyroid, which is a LITTLE sluggish, but still within normal range. The doctor just shrugged and said that either I was under counting my calories, or I needed to eat more calories to lose weight. I assured him that eating more calories would be a disaster.
The only way I was able to lose weight is on a VERY low calorie diet of 600-900 a day, and that just wasn't sustainable for me. I did manage to do it right before I met my husband, but a normal day for me was Breakfast: one apple Lunch: low cal soup and 100 calorie popcorn Dinner: Tuna over a salad with a small amount of dressing. That was a 600 calorie day, and I had been doing this for over a year. I was a size 8....but I still weighed 160 lbs. I'm 5'4.
I'd give anything to weigh 160 lbs now.
I'm reeeeaaallllllyyyyy hoping this works.
So far I've dropped 7 lbs in less than a week.
Congratulations on your weight loss. What kind of diet are doing?
LCHF at the moment. I may tweak it before it's over with. lolCryren8972 wrote: »walker1world wrote: »Cryren8972 wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »Yep, this is one of the things I absolutely hate about the main forums. It has improved over the past couple years, but there is still this hard-headed, closed-minded assumption by so many active users that CICO is simple, infallible, and works universally for everybody.
These users just think... if you aren't losing weight, just eat less and exercise more. I know from personal experience it doesn't work that way. If your experiences show that CICO is not that simple, they will argue with your experience. They will argue they are lying on your food diary or that you are over-reporting exercise (even if your only exercise is from your Fitbit, which a new study from Japan now has shown under-estimate actual calories out, though by a small amount that is likely the CO while showering and charging when Fitbit isn't being worn). If you are doing everything right and not seeing results (i.e. CICO isn't working), there is an incredible wave of vitriol from members who are fit (some of which always were fit).
I never had a 42 inch waist, but I'm fairly short and was at a 38 inch waist at my heaviest. I realize my 60 lbs. overweight was very little compared to some. And I get the sense from the forums that weight loss is really easy for most people. But I know for sure that it is not that simple for everybody.
It certainly wasn't for me. I've just started, but I'm hoping THIS works. I've tried eating "clean", I've counted calories, weighed and measured food, and couldn't lose weight on 1200-1500 calories a day. I was so concerned about it, I went to the doctor, and they checked my thyroid, which is a LITTLE sluggish, but still within normal range. The doctor just shrugged and said that either I was under counting my calories, or I needed to eat more calories to lose weight. I assured him that eating more calories would be a disaster.
The only way I was able to lose weight is on a VERY low calorie diet of 600-900 a day, and that just wasn't sustainable for me. I did manage to do it right before I met my husband, but a normal day for me was Breakfast: one apple Lunch: low cal soup and 100 calorie popcorn Dinner: Tuna over a salad with a small amount of dressing. That was a 600 calorie day, and I had been doing this for over a year. I was a size 8....but I still weighed 160 lbs. I'm 5'4.
I'd give anything to weigh 160 lbs now.
I'm reeeeaaallllllyyyyy hoping this works.
So far I've dropped 7 lbs in less than a week.
Congratulations on your weight loss. What kind of diet are doing?
LCHF at the moment. I may tweak it before it's over with. lol
I ubderstand, for me low carb has been a journey. I went from atkins, to LCHF, now I am Keto. I anticipate that when I get to 165 I will do paleo to maintain.
What is the difference between LCHF and Keto?
From my understanding, they're both low carb high fat, right?
The reason I ask, is because I joined a Facebook page called Ketogenic Diet...but when I mentioned high fat, they said they didn't recommend that there, and to read their pinned post.
There...they had a lot of conflicting information. They said they weren't LCHF, but the pdf they had you use, specifically said LCHF.
So I'm a tad confused as to the difference.
I would leave that group ASAP. I don't know what they're doing.
Lchf is basically anything below 150g carbs and replacing those carbs with fat.
Keto is basically anything below 50g carbs (or whatever it takes to maintain the metabolic state of ketosis) and replacing those carbs with fat.
They're likely doing low carb high protein, but many of those fb groups are not worth the time.
Probably but they're calling it LCHF and Keto, which isn't what low carb high protein is.
So I feel like their are likely a lot of misinformed, confused people on there.
There exactly why I say they aren't worth the time. Many don't actually know what they are talking about and it's their group they set the rules so there is no way to have an educated discussion because they will kick you out for not following the rules. I believe there are probably some good groups out there.1 -
Clinton's thing was the Big Mac
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Cryren8972 wrote: »walker1world wrote: »Cryren8972 wrote: »walker1world wrote: »Cryren8972 wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »Yep, this is one of the things I absolutely hate about the main forums. It has improved over the past couple years, but there is still this hard-headed, closed-minded assumption by so many active users that CICO is simple, infallible, and works universally for everybody.
These users just think... if you aren't losing weight, just eat less and exercise more. I know from personal experience it doesn't work that way. If your experiences show that CICO is not that simple, they will argue with your experience. They will argue they are lying on your food diary or that you are over-reporting exercise (even if your only exercise is from your Fitbit, which a new study from Japan now has shown under-estimate actual calories out, though by a small amount that is likely the CO while showering and charging when Fitbit isn't being worn). If you are doing everything right and not seeing results (i.e. CICO isn't working), there is an incredible wave of vitriol from members who are fit (some of which always were fit).
I never had a 42 inch waist, but I'm fairly short and was at a 38 inch waist at my heaviest. I realize my 60 lbs. overweight was very little compared to some. And I get the sense from the forums that weight loss is really easy for most people. But I know for sure that it is not that simple for everybody.
It certainly wasn't for me. I've just started, but I'm hoping THIS works. I've tried eating "clean", I've counted calories, weighed and measured food, and couldn't lose weight on 1200-1500 calories a day. I was so concerned about it, I went to the doctor, and they checked my thyroid, which is a LITTLE sluggish, but still within normal range. The doctor just shrugged and said that either I was under counting my calories, or I needed to eat more calories to lose weight. I assured him that eating more calories would be a disaster.
The only way I was able to lose weight is on a VERY low calorie diet of 600-900 a day, and that just wasn't sustainable for me. I did manage to do it right before I met my husband, but a normal day for me was Breakfast: one apple Lunch: low cal soup and 100 calorie popcorn Dinner: Tuna over a salad with a small amount of dressing. That was a 600 calorie day, and I had been doing this for over a year. I was a size 8....but I still weighed 160 lbs. I'm 5'4.
I'd give anything to weigh 160 lbs now.
I'm reeeeaaallllllyyyyy hoping this works.
So far I've dropped 7 lbs in less than a week.
Congratulations on your weight loss. What kind of diet are doing?
LCHF at the moment. I may tweak it before it's over with. lolCryren8972 wrote: »walker1world wrote: »Cryren8972 wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »Yep, this is one of the things I absolutely hate about the main forums. It has improved over the past couple years, but there is still this hard-headed, closed-minded assumption by so many active users that CICO is simple, infallible, and works universally for everybody.
These users just think... if you aren't losing weight, just eat less and exercise more. I know from personal experience it doesn't work that way. If your experiences show that CICO is not that simple, they will argue with your experience. They will argue they are lying on your food diary or that you are over-reporting exercise (even if your only exercise is from your Fitbit, which a new study from Japan now has shown under-estimate actual calories out, though by a small amount that is likely the CO while showering and charging when Fitbit isn't being worn). If you are doing everything right and not seeing results (i.e. CICO isn't working), there is an incredible wave of vitriol from members who are fit (some of which always were fit).
I never had a 42 inch waist, but I'm fairly short and was at a 38 inch waist at my heaviest. I realize my 60 lbs. overweight was very little compared to some. And I get the sense from the forums that weight loss is really easy for most people. But I know for sure that it is not that simple for everybody.
It certainly wasn't for me. I've just started, but I'm hoping THIS works. I've tried eating "clean", I've counted calories, weighed and measured food, and couldn't lose weight on 1200-1500 calories a day. I was so concerned about it, I went to the doctor, and they checked my thyroid, which is a LITTLE sluggish, but still within normal range. The doctor just shrugged and said that either I was under counting my calories, or I needed to eat more calories to lose weight. I assured him that eating more calories would be a disaster.
The only way I was able to lose weight is on a VERY low calorie diet of 600-900 a day, and that just wasn't sustainable for me. I did manage to do it right before I met my husband, but a normal day for me was Breakfast: one apple Lunch: low cal soup and 100 calorie popcorn Dinner: Tuna over a salad with a small amount of dressing. That was a 600 calorie day, and I had been doing this for over a year. I was a size 8....but I still weighed 160 lbs. I'm 5'4.
I'd give anything to weigh 160 lbs now.
I'm reeeeaaallllllyyyyy hoping this works.
So far I've dropped 7 lbs in less than a week.
Congratulations on your weight loss. What kind of diet are doing?
LCHF at the moment. I may tweak it before it's over with. lolCryren8972 wrote: »walker1world wrote: »Cryren8972 wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »Yep, this is one of the things I absolutely hate about the main forums. It has improved over the past couple years, but there is still this hard-headed, closed-minded assumption by so many active users that CICO is simple, infallible, and works universally for everybody.
These users just think... if you aren't losing weight, just eat less and exercise more. I know from personal experience it doesn't work that way. If your experiences show that CICO is not that simple, they will argue with your experience. They will argue they are lying on your food diary or that you are over-reporting exercise (even if your only exercise is from your Fitbit, which a new study from Japan now has shown under-estimate actual calories out, though by a small amount that is likely the CO while showering and charging when Fitbit isn't being worn). If you are doing everything right and not seeing results (i.e. CICO isn't working), there is an incredible wave of vitriol from members who are fit (some of which always were fit).
I never had a 42 inch waist, but I'm fairly short and was at a 38 inch waist at my heaviest. I realize my 60 lbs. overweight was very little compared to some. And I get the sense from the forums that weight loss is really easy for most people. But I know for sure that it is not that simple for everybody.
It certainly wasn't for me. I've just started, but I'm hoping THIS works. I've tried eating "clean", I've counted calories, weighed and measured food, and couldn't lose weight on 1200-1500 calories a day. I was so concerned about it, I went to the doctor, and they checked my thyroid, which is a LITTLE sluggish, but still within normal range. The doctor just shrugged and said that either I was under counting my calories, or I needed to eat more calories to lose weight. I assured him that eating more calories would be a disaster.
The only way I was able to lose weight is on a VERY low calorie diet of 600-900 a day, and that just wasn't sustainable for me. I did manage to do it right before I met my husband, but a normal day for me was Breakfast: one apple Lunch: low cal soup and 100 calorie popcorn Dinner: Tuna over a salad with a small amount of dressing. That was a 600 calorie day, and I had been doing this for over a year. I was a size 8....but I still weighed 160 lbs. I'm 5'4.
I'd give anything to weigh 160 lbs now.
I'm reeeeaaallllllyyyyy hoping this works.
So far I've dropped 7 lbs in less than a week.
Congratulations on your weight loss. What kind of diet are doing?
LCHF at the moment. I may tweak it before it's over with. lol
I ubderstand, for me low carb has been a journey. I went from atkins, to LCHF, now I am Keto. I anticipate that when I get to 165 I will do paleo to maintain.
What is the difference between LCHF and Keto?
From my understanding, they're both low carb high fat, right?
The reason I ask, is because I joined a Facebook page called Ketogenic Diet...but when I mentioned high fat, they said they didn't recommend that there, and to read their pinned post.
There...they had a lot of conflicting information. They said they weren't LCHF, but the pdf they had you use, specifically said LCHF.
So I'm a tad confused as to the difference.
I agree the 2 are very similar and any one that is bothered by mentioning the 2 in the sane breath should get a life. I listen to Keto Talk podcast every week. This program hosted by Jimmy moore from living la vida low carb. So even the experts get them confused. Lol
Keto tries to stay in Ketosis permanently where low carb high fat has a different goal. I think they end up in the same place. I don't think you were confused, that person is trying to dance between raindrops.3 -
lithezebra wrote: »I've never had to lose more than 20 pounds, but I have kept it off for about 20 years, and that's something. I think it's possible for skinny people who are aware of their own eating habits to give good advice. Just saying "I've never had a problem," without understanding and explaining how that is, isn't helpful, and insulting people who are overweight is worse.
I hope you know my title was a little tongue and cheek. The point I really was trying to make was most people who have never had a real weight problem by into the calories in calories out, Thry have very little sympathy for people that have to much weight. They mostly believe fat people are just not active enough.
I know a woman that tried to start working out with her coworkers they were 25 year old lady but my friend was in her 40s and had a lot of extra weight. After a few weeks her knees started hurting. Come to find out she blew her knee out. Not saying it was the younger women's fault but I am sure the peer pressure made her push her self when she shouldn't.1 -
Walker-- another reason thin people look down on heavier is they hear the 'excuses' used...from people who aren't trying, but give lip service to some diet, who aren't serious in educating themselves on nutrition, or talk about need to eat 'cheat' meals, or listing reasons they 'can't'...so of course it is assumed all overweight are the same, behave the same.
We humans tend to simplify others by our experience...since 99% of people who lose weight regain it, it is hard to meet those who lost and stayed thinner. Fortunately there ARE more LC'ers who are successful losing a great deal of weight, and so eventually the success of this method will show.2 -
I'm in a weird situation where I've battled my weight most of my adult life, but my highest non-pregnant weight was about 161 lbs (I'm 5'7); size 14. I developed pre-diabetes though, several years ago, at 150 lbs and had to lose about 10% of my body weight on a LC diet to reverse it. I'm currently a size 8 and I sometimes feel awkward/unconscious talking to people about weight loss stuff but I've had to battle a lot and work very hard to lose ... and re-lose, and re-lose, and re-lose, the weight that comes on so easily when I'm not super careful and low-carb. I do try to avoid giving unsolicited advice though!3
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Oh and CICO by itself really didn't work for me at all. I had to change my macros.4
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walker1world wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »Lots of people who were born on third base think they hit a triple.
Can I use this line?
Be my guest. I modified it from something Tom (fat head) Naughton often says - "many people were born on the finish line and think they won the race". I'm not a runner, but I love baseball, so I changed it a bit
. Same idea.
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KETOGENICGURL wrote: »Walker-- another reason thin people look down on heavier is they hear the 'excuses' used...from people who aren't trying, but give lip service to some diet, who aren't serious in educating themselves on nutrition, or talk about need to eat 'cheat' meals, or listing reasons they 'can't'...so of course it is assumed all overweight are the same, behave the same.
We humans tend to simplify others by our experience...since 99% of people who lose weight regain it, it is hard to meet those who lost and stayed thinner. Fortunately there ARE more LC'ers who are successful losing a great deal of weight, and so eventually the success of this method will show.
This is very true too!
My daughter works with a girl (22 years old) that is going to have weight loss surgery soon. She is currently on a low carb diet to lose the initial prescribed weight and she's using a prescription diet pill too. My daughter had been telling her about low carb and Keto for months now and the girl wouldn't dare try it for even a day. Now she's doing a half a$$ed version of it because she "doesn't need to be strict with it because the pill is going to make her lose weight no matter what" and she "only has to lose a little weight to show she's trying" and she will "NEVER give up beer!"
This girl is convinced the surgery will magically make her thin and not hungry anymore. My daughter has tried to help her but she gets incredibly defensive about her favorite foods. Anyway, my daughter has Avery hard time sympathizing with her because she's unwilling to sacrifice for her own well being. To absolutely refuse to even try a low carb beer or a vodka and soda... My daughter wears an insulin pump and checks her blood sugar 5-8 times a day every day doesn't understand when people won't even make small, non painful changes for themselves.
So, it's true that there are certain types that give all heavy people a bad name.
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CICO works, with the caveat that you have to address the things that cause you to want to overeat in the first place.6
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Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »KETOGENICGURL wrote: »Walker-- another reason thin people look down on heavier is they hear the 'excuses' used...from people who aren't trying, but give lip service to some diet, who aren't serious in educating themselves on nutrition, or talk about need to eat 'cheat' meals, or listing reasons they 'can't'...so of course it is assumed all overweight are the same, behave the same.
We humans tend to simplify others by our experience...since 99% of people who lose weight regain it, it is hard to meet those who lost and stayed thinner. Fortunately there ARE more LC'ers who are successful losing a great deal of weight, and so eventually the success of this method will show.
This is very true too!
My daughter works with a girl (22 years old) that is going to have weight loss surgery soon. She is currently on a low carb diet to lose the initial prescribed weight and she's using a prescription diet pill too. My daughter had been telling her about low carb and Keto for months now and the girl wouldn't dare try it for even a day. Now she's doing a half *kitten*ed version of it because she "doesn't need to be strict with it because the pill is going to make her lose weight no matter what" and she "only has to lose a little weight to show she's trying" and she will "NEVER give up beer!"
This girl is convinced the surgery will magically make her thin and not hungry anymore. My daughter has tried to help her but she gets incredibly defensive about her favorite foods. Anyway, my daughter has Avery hard time sympathizing with her because she's unwilling to sacrifice for her own well being. To absolutely refuse to even try a low carb beer or a vodka and soda... My daughter wears an insulin pump and checks her blood sugar 5-8 times a day every day doesn't understand when people won't even make small, non painful changes for themselves.
So, it's true that there are certain types that give all heavy people a bad name.
To be fair, I won't drink low carb beer either, because it tastes like watered down horse piss. Flat and bland and gross. However, I restrict myself from the awesome craft beer I love so much, keeping to about 1 visit every three months or so to the kick *kitten* local beer place that has 30 beers on tap and lets you sample (about 1oz a pop) the different kinds of beer, then offers smaller options of their various varieties to drink. I usually get by with about 20-25oz of very high quality locally brewed beers, then back to my regularily scheduled programming.
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nicsflyingcircus wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »KETOGENICGURL wrote: »Walker-- another reason thin people look down on heavier is they hear the 'excuses' used...from people who aren't trying, but give lip service to some diet, who aren't serious in educating themselves on nutrition, or talk about need to eat 'cheat' meals, or listing reasons they 'can't'...so of course it is assumed all overweight are the same, behave the same.
We humans tend to simplify others by our experience...since 99% of people who lose weight regain it, it is hard to meet those who lost and stayed thinner. Fortunately there ARE more LC'ers who are successful losing a great deal of weight, and so eventually the success of this method will show.
This is very true too!
My daughter works with a girl (22 years old) that is going to have weight loss surgery soon. She is currently on a low carb diet to lose the initial prescribed weight and she's using a prescription diet pill too. My daughter had been telling her about low carb and Keto for months now and the girl wouldn't dare try it for even a day. Now she's doing a half *kitten*ed version of it because she "doesn't need to be strict with it because the pill is going to make her lose weight no matter what" and she "only has to lose a little weight to show she's trying" and she will "NEVER give up beer!"
This girl is convinced the surgery will magically make her thin and not hungry anymore. My daughter has tried to help her but she gets incredibly defensive about her favorite foods. Anyway, my daughter has Avery hard time sympathizing with her because she's unwilling to sacrifice for her own well being. To absolutely refuse to even try a low carb beer or a vodka and soda... My daughter wears an insulin pump and checks her blood sugar 5-8 times a day every day doesn't understand when people won't even make small, non painful changes for themselves.
So, it's true that there are certain types that give all heavy people a bad name.
To be fair, I won't drink low carb beer either, because it tastes like watered down horse piss. Flat and bland and gross. However, I restrict myself from the awesome craft beer I love so much, keeping to about 1 visit every three months or so to the kick *kitten* local beer place that has 30 beers on tap and lets you sample (about 1oz a pop) the different kinds of beer, then offers smaller options of their various varieties to drink. I usually get by with about 20-25oz of very high quality locally brewed beers, then back to my regularily scheduled programming.
That makes sense. It's a sustainable method that you've enacted where you sacrifice drinking the kick *kitten* beer multiple times a week and make it something rare and special instead. That was the only point really. We simply cannot have everything we want, every time we want it, with no limit. But, sometimes people are completely unwilling to make changes where they would have to tell themselves no... Ever.
My own sister makes me crazy with this kind of behavior! Always complaining about her health and pain and diabetes and weight and talking about her fear for her future then in the very next breath it's "I can't drink diet, it tastes bad", when I literally suggest she make 1 baby step by switching to diet soda, because she already shot down eating differently.
I even suggested mixing diet and regular little by little to adapt to the taste... Nope! That would make it taste weird. Smh
I feel like telling her to enjoy her last few years then. But, I bite my tongue.1 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »KETOGENICGURL wrote: »Walker-- another reason thin people look down on heavier is they hear the 'excuses' used...from people who aren't trying, but give lip service to some diet, who aren't serious in educating themselves on nutrition, or talk about need to eat 'cheat' meals, or listing reasons they 'can't'...so of course it is assumed all overweight are the same, behave the same.
We humans tend to simplify others by our experience...since 99% of people who lose weight regain it, it is hard to meet those who lost and stayed thinner. Fortunately there ARE more LC'ers who are successful losing a great deal of weight, and so eventually the success of this method will show.
This is very true too!
My daughter works with a girl (22 years old) that is going to have weight loss surgery soon. She is currently on a low carb diet to lose the initial prescribed weight and she's using a prescription diet pill too. My daughter had been telling her about low carb and Keto for months now and the girl wouldn't dare try it for even a day. Now she's doing a half *kitten*ed version of it because she "doesn't need to be strict with it because the pill is going to make her lose weight no matter what" and she "only has to lose a little weight to show she's trying" and she will "NEVER give up beer!"
This girl is convinced the surgery will magically make her thin and not hungry anymore. My daughter has tried to help her but she gets incredibly defensive about her favorite foods. Anyway, my daughter has Avery hard time sympathizing with her because she's unwilling to sacrifice for her own well being. To absolutely refuse to even try a low carb beer or a vodka and soda... My daughter wears an insulin pump and checks her blood sugar 5-8 times a day every day doesn't understand when people won't even make small, non painful changes for themselves.
So, it's true that there are certain types that give all heavy people a bad name.
I am a real life example that it isn't a "magic wand". Surgery saved my life back in 2003 - of that I am convinced. Of course I had no idea Keto existed then. I am determined to NEVER be back where I was when I had surgery but I've gained a lot of weight back these last few years. And for the record, no matter what anyone things gastric surgery is NOT an easy way out. It's hard, really really hard. You crave foods, you can't eat much, you hurt if you do eat too much, you have to take supplements and lots of them the rest of your life,you HAVE to eat those awful protein powders at least the first 6 months and of course there are always risks with surgery, always. It was a tough road that first year. If I had known I could do this thing that we do here with LCHF I'd have gone full force in a minute.4 -
RowdysLady wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »KETOGENICGURL wrote: »Walker-- another reason thin people look down on heavier is they hear the 'excuses' used...from people who aren't trying, but give lip service to some diet, who aren't serious in educating themselves on nutrition, or talk about need to eat 'cheat' meals, or listing reasons they 'can't'...so of course it is assumed all overweight are the same, behave the same.
We humans tend to simplify others by our experience...since 99% of people who lose weight regain it, it is hard to meet those who lost and stayed thinner. Fortunately there ARE more LC'ers who are successful losing a great deal of weight, and so eventually the success of this method will show.
This is very true too!
My daughter works with a girl (22 years old) that is going to have weight loss surgery soon. She is currently on a low carb diet to lose the initial prescribed weight and she's using a prescription diet pill too. My daughter had been telling her about low carb and Keto for months now and the girl wouldn't dare try it for even a day. Now she's doing a half *kitten*ed version of it because she "doesn't need to be strict with it because the pill is going to make her lose weight no matter what" and she "only has to lose a little weight to show she's trying" and she will "NEVER give up beer!"
This girl is convinced the surgery will magically make her thin and not hungry anymore. My daughter has tried to help her but she gets incredibly defensive about her favorite foods. Anyway, my daughter has Avery hard time sympathizing with her because she's unwilling to sacrifice for her own well being. To absolutely refuse to even try a low carb beer or a vodka and soda... My daughter wears an insulin pump and checks her blood sugar 5-8 times a day every day doesn't understand when people won't even make small, non painful changes for themselves.
So, it's true that there are certain types that give all heavy people a bad name.
I am a real life example that it isn't a "magic wand". Surgery saved my life back in 2003 - of that I am convinced. Of course I had no idea Keto existed then. I am determined to NEVER be back where I was when I had surgery but I've gained a lot of weight back these last few years. And for the record, no matter what anyone things gastric surgery is NOT an easy way out. It's hard, really really hard. You crave foods, you can't eat much, you hurt if you do eat too much, you have to take supplements and lots of them the rest of your life,you HAVE to eat those awful protein powders at least the first 6 months and of course there are always risks with surgery, always. It was a tough road that first year. If I had known I could do this thing that we do here with LCHF I'd have gone full force in a minute.
I definitely believe it's not an easy way out. But that's what I think my daughters friend is thinking. She doesn't seem to realize there will be strict rules that she will have to be compliant with to be able to just stay healthy and not end up in a hospital or in pain. I'm sure her doctor has told her there is a special diet and everything. She just seems to think the "will" to do it will just magically come and it will suddenly be effortless to make the right choices. And since the pills are making her lose the required weight right now, she doesn't seem to think there's any reason to follow the diet she has been prescribed now.
Basically, in this particular case, it seems like she's unwilling to "go without" now because she feels like it's unnecessary (although against doctors orders) and seems to think "going without" post surgery will not be an issue. Like the desire will just be gone and never return.0 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »
This is very true too!
My daughter works with a girl (22 years old) that is going to have weight loss surgery soon. She is currently on a low carb diet to lose the initial prescribed weight and she's using a prescription diet pill too. My daughter had been telling her about low carb and Keto for months now and the girl wouldn't dare try it for even a day. Now she's doing a half *kitten*ed version of it because she "doesn't need to be strict with it because the pill is going to make her lose weight no matter what" and she "only has to lose a little weight to show she's trying" and she will "NEVER give up beer!"
This girl is convinced the surgery will magically make her thin and not hungry anymore. (...)
So, it's true that there are certain types that give all heavy people a bad name.
This is the doctor's fault. Gastric surgeries are a huge business and not enough effort is put on educating people about what they're getting into.
The girl is ignorant of the irreversible life changing effects of the surgery (both good AND bad) and a competent doctor would not accept her as a patient. At least not without extensive psychological support previously to the surgery. She is a prime candidate to get all the weight back by year 2 after the surgery and by then she'll also have a destroyed digestive system.
As someone who escaped surgery by the skin of my teeth (and good Dr Google), it makes me incredibly mad that so many doctors think nothing of scaring people away from low carb due to some half baked "health" reasons and then downplay the risks and consequences of gastric surgery. Aaaargh!
By now I believe that even those that have no self control and eat all kinds of junk don't do it by choice. Being overweight is a symptom of a disease and without correct information and support it is almost impossible to get to a point where we can accept that we are responsible for our health.
Unless we stop being controlled by hunger, it requires superhuman strength to make the correct choices. And don't get me started on "correct" because a very healthy vegetarian diet with plenty of grains and fruit, very sparse protein and almost no fat was what took me to 315lbs and diabetes.
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I was one who "heard" all of the pre op information about the healthy diet that would be needed for post op success. But still had the thinking that if I couldn't eat much of it (enter the thinking on "moderation") that it wouldn't matter what I ate. Many people believe the same! Which quickly leads to regain, and then it's excused that the surgery didn't work!
People think surgery is the "fix" for all of their problems! If they can make it through the pre op requirements (psychologist evaluation, nutrition classes...), and make it to surgery, they won't ever have to "diet" again! They can eat this little bit of food, and never have to think of it again! This was my, erred, way of thinking too!
After regaining some of (a lot of) the weight, I realized I was terribly wrong! This was a true "lightbulb" moment! Until I changed the foods I chose for fueling my body I would continue to be morbidly obese!
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walker1world wrote: »Dragonwolf wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »Yep, this is one of the things I absolutely hate about the main forums. It has improved over the past couple years, but there is still this hard-headed, closed-minded assumption by so many active users that CICO is simple, infallible, and works universally for everybody.
These users just think... if you aren't losing weight, just eat less and exercise more. I know from personal experience it doesn't work that way. If your experiences show that CICO is not that simple, they will argue with your experience. They will argue they are lying on your food diary or that you are over-reporting exercise (even if your only exercise is from your Fitbit, which a new study from Japan now has shown under-estimate actual calories out, though by a small amount that is likely the CO while showering and charging when Fitbit isn't being worn). If you are doing everything right and not seeing results (i.e. CICO isn't working), there is an incredible wave of vitriol from members who are fit (some of which always were fit).
I never had a 42 inch waist, but I'm fairly short and was at a 38 inch waist at my heaviest. I realize my 60 lbs. overweight was very little compared to some. And I get the sense from the forums that weight loss is really easy for most people. But I know for sure that it is not that simple for everybody.
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Sorry, but discussion about the main MFP forums is strictly forbidden, per community/group rules. As far as this group is concerned, the main forums do not exist.
This is this thread's first and only warning. If it comes up again, we'll be forced to close it (and I don't really want to do that, because the rest of the discussion is good).
Thanks guys.
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Did I read this right? You can't mention the "main forums" or you will delete the thread? I don't even know what is meant by the term.
It means exactly that. The rules are stickied at the top of the group.
The main forums are the forums on MFP outside of this group. As far as this group is concerned, they do not exist and are not allowed to be referenced here, due to some major issues we had in the past that nearly got the group shut down.4 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »RowdysLady wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »KETOGENICGURL wrote: »Walker-- another reason thin people look down on heavier is they hear the 'excuses' used...from people who aren't trying, but give lip service to some diet, who aren't serious in educating themselves on nutrition, or talk about need to eat 'cheat' meals, or listing reasons they 'can't'...so of course it is assumed all overweight are the same, behave the same.
We humans tend to simplify others by our experience...since 99% of people who lose weight regain it, it is hard to meet those who lost and stayed thinner. Fortunately there ARE more LC'ers who are successful losing a great deal of weight, and so eventually the success of this method will show.
This is very true too!
My daughter works with a girl (22 years old) that is going to have weight loss surgery soon. She is currently on a low carb diet to lose the initial prescribed weight and she's using a prescription diet pill too. My daughter had been telling her about low carb and Keto for months now and the girl wouldn't dare try it for even a day. Now she's doing a half *kitten*ed version of it because she "doesn't need to be strict with it because the pill is going to make her lose weight no matter what" and she "only has to lose a little weight to show she's trying" and she will "NEVER give up beer!"
This girl is convinced the surgery will magically make her thin and not hungry anymore. My daughter has tried to help her but she gets incredibly defensive about her favorite foods. Anyway, my daughter has Avery hard time sympathizing with her because she's unwilling to sacrifice for her own well being. To absolutely refuse to even try a low carb beer or a vodka and soda... My daughter wears an insulin pump and checks her blood sugar 5-8 times a day every day doesn't understand when people won't even make small, non painful changes for themselves.
So, it's true that there are certain types that give all heavy people a bad name.
I am a real life example that it isn't a "magic wand". Surgery saved my life back in 2003 - of that I am convinced. Of course I had no idea Keto existed then. I am determined to NEVER be back where I was when I had surgery but I've gained a lot of weight back these last few years. And for the record, no matter what anyone things gastric surgery is NOT an easy way out. It's hard, really really hard. You crave foods, you can't eat much, you hurt if you do eat too much, you have to take supplements and lots of them the rest of your life,you HAVE to eat those awful protein powders at least the first 6 months and of course there are always risks with surgery, always. It was a tough road that first year. If I had known I could do this thing that we do here with LCHF I'd have gone full force in a minute.
I definitely believe it's not an easy way out. But that's what I think my daughters friend is thinking. She doesn't seem to realize there will be strict rules that she will have to be compliant with to be able to just stay healthy and not end up in a hospital or in pain. I'm sure her doctor has told her there is a special diet and everything. She just seems to think the "will" to do it will just magically come and it will suddenly be effortless to make the right choices. And since the pills are making her lose the required weight right now, she doesn't seem to think there's any reason to follow the diet she has been prescribed now.
Basically, in this particular case, it seems like she's unwilling to "go without" now because she feels like it's unnecessary (although against doctors orders) and seems to think "going without" post surgery will not be an issue. Like the desire will just be gone and never return.
I could tell from your post that's what the daughter is thinking, hence my post. It's sad, really but knowing that daughters at any age may or may not heed advice (I have two of my own and I'd love for my 16 year old to go LCHF) the best anyone can do that loves her is to support her as best they can and hope she figures it out for herself. I am surprised they gave her pills to help her. I had to lose weight to prove I was sincere about the program and would have been denied surgery had I not lost a certain percentage prior to surgery. No one allowed me to take a pill to help out.
As a part of the medical community I'm almost ashamed at how narrow minded we can be as a collective whole and don't believe in breaking paradigms...2 -
I don't even go there, they make my head hurt. As far as the surgery goes, I know 3 people who have had some type of surgery and they have all gain all of their weight back.
As far as telling other people about lchf, I just don't. My husband, kid and my online world but that's it. I feel like if I tell someone something and they come back with a response it may make me doubt myself. I KNOW this is the way for me. I used to be 231 in 2007, got down to 118. I've gained recently so I'm going full force and it's going great! #keto clarity!5 -
@Jakiepaper one of my friends nearly fell off his chair and immediately told me how I was going to die of a heart attack because of this. One naysayer vs. this community...he didn't have a shot. But I know what you mean; I talk very little about it.4
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It does not matter if a person was ever fat.
If I see a doctor that has never had my ailment it does not disqualify him or her.
I have learned much and been helped much by lifelong fit people. Some of my most dependable workout partners are people in their twenties that are in awesome shape!
My issues were partly metabolic, it was not something anyone else needed to experience to share encouragement and help.
While misery may love company for the possible comfort of an empathetic soul, I sought a solution, not a good feeling so much.
Now after losing 135 pounds and in the best shape since my 20's, I still seek the science behind the weight loss, the science in the Fitness.
At the end of the day I enjoy the companionship of my friends in the journey, but following of the way things works.... That is what actually makes it happen.
Fitness shaming? Lol
It is easy to trip when we are looking down on anyone else, regardless of the reason.11 -
Working2BLean wrote: »It is easy to trip when we are looking down on anyone else, regardless of the reason.
... including that we think they're wrong.
(Some folks, even some diabetics, do well following CICO or on extreme LF diets, and others don't do well on LCHF.)2 -
walker1world wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »Lots of people who were born on third base think they hit a triple.
Can I use this line?
It's a phrase that's being used to describe one of our presidential candidates. I think it's fair game for you to use.1 -
lithezebra wrote: »I've never had to lose more than 20 pounds, but I have kept it off for about 20 years, and that's something. I think it's possible for skinny people who are aware of their own eating habits to give good advice. Just saying "I've never had a problem," without understanding and explaining how that is, isn't helpful, and insulting people who are overweight is worse.
I think this is a great point. I've lost 30Lbs. ONCE. Keeping it off is the key. And folks who are able to manage that likely have very valuable information.1 -
walker1world wrote: »Dragonwolf wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »Yep, this is one of the things I absolutely hate about the main forums. It has improved over the past couple years, but there is still this hard-headed, closed-minded assumption by so many active users that CICO is simple, infallible, and works universally for everybody.
These users just think... if you aren't losing weight, just eat less and exercise more. I know from personal experience it doesn't work that way. If your experiences show that CICO is not that simple, they will argue with your experience. They will argue they are lying on your food diary or that you are over-reporting exercise (even if your only exercise is from your Fitbit, which a new study from Japan now has shown under-estimate actual calories out, though by a small amount that is likely the CO while showering and charging when Fitbit isn't being worn). If you are doing everything right and not seeing results (i.e. CICO isn't working), there is an incredible wave of vitriol from members who are fit (some of which always were fit).
I never had a 42 inch waist, but I'm fairly short and was at a 38 inch waist at my heaviest. I realize my 60 lbs. overweight was very little compared to some. And I get the sense from the forums that weight loss is really easy for most people. But I know for sure that it is not that simple for everybody.
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Sorry, but discussion about the main MFP forums is strictly forbidden, per community/group rules. As far as this group is concerned, the main forums do not exist.
This is this thread's first and only warning. If it comes up again, we'll be forced to close it (and I don't really want to do that, because the rest of the discussion is good).
Thanks guys.
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Did I read this right? You can't mention the "main forums" or you will delete the thread? I don't even know what is meant by the term.
Here are our guidelines:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10184341/please-read-group-expectations#latest
We ask that you not use this group to complain about your interactions on the main forums. The link explains why.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »walker1world wrote: »Dragonwolf wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »Yep, this is one of the things I absolutely hate about the main forums. It has improved over the past couple years, but there is still this hard-headed, closed-minded assumption by so many active users that CICO is simple, infallible, and works universally for everybody.
These users just think... if you aren't losing weight, just eat less and exercise more. I know from personal experience it doesn't work that way. If your experiences show that CICO is not that simple, they will argue with your experience. They will argue they are lying on your food diary or that you are over-reporting exercise (even if your only exercise is from your Fitbit, which a new study from Japan now has shown under-estimate actual calories out, though by a small amount that is likely the CO while showering and charging when Fitbit isn't being worn). If you are doing everything right and not seeing results (i.e. CICO isn't working), there is an incredible wave of vitriol from members who are fit (some of which always were fit).
I never had a 42 inch waist, but I'm fairly short and was at a 38 inch waist at my heaviest. I realize my 60 lbs. overweight was very little compared to some. And I get the sense from the forums that weight loss is really easy for most people. But I know for sure that it is not that simple for everybody.
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Sorry, but discussion about the main MFP forums is strictly forbidden, per community/group rules. As far as this group is concerned, the main forums do not exist.
This is this thread's first and only warning. If it comes up again, we'll be forced to close it (and I don't really want to do that, because the rest of the discussion is good).
Thanks guys.
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Did I read this right? You can't mention the "main forums" or you will delete the thread? I don't even know what is meant by the term.
Here are our guidelines:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10184341/please-read-group-expectations#latest
We ask that you not use this group to complain about your interactions on the main forums. The link explains why.
Ok, I get it, I just disagree that he complained. It seemed like a reference. I can see how a refrence can lead to other discussion. Not a problem. There are alot of other conversations going on here. This is one of things that makes MFP wothy.1 -
walker1world wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »walker1world wrote: »Dragonwolf wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »Yep, this is one of the things I absolutely hate about the main forums. It has improved over the past couple years, but there is still this hard-headed, closed-minded assumption by so many active users that CICO is simple, infallible, and works universally for everybody.
These users just think... if you aren't losing weight, just eat less and exercise more. I know from personal experience it doesn't work that way. If your experiences show that CICO is not that simple, they will argue with your experience. They will argue they are lying on your food diary or that you are over-reporting exercise (even if your only exercise is from your Fitbit, which a new study from Japan now has shown under-estimate actual calories out, though by a small amount that is likely the CO while showering and charging when Fitbit isn't being worn). If you are doing everything right and not seeing results (i.e. CICO isn't working), there is an incredible wave of vitriol from members who are fit (some of which always were fit).
I never had a 42 inch waist, but I'm fairly short and was at a 38 inch waist at my heaviest. I realize my 60 lbs. overweight was very little compared to some. And I get the sense from the forums that weight loss is really easy for most people. But I know for sure that it is not that simple for everybody.
<mod hat>
Sorry, but discussion about the main MFP forums is strictly forbidden, per community/group rules. As far as this group is concerned, the main forums do not exist.
This is this thread's first and only warning. If it comes up again, we'll be forced to close it (and I don't really want to do that, because the rest of the discussion is good).
Thanks guys.
</mod hat>
Did I read this right? You can't mention the "main forums" or you will delete the thread? I don't even know what is meant by the term.
Here are our guidelines:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10184341/please-read-group-expectations#latest
We ask that you not use this group to complain about your interactions on the main forums. The link explains why.
Ok, I get it, I just disagree that he complained. It seemed like a reference. I can see how a refrence can lead to other discussion. Not a problem. There are alot of other conversations going on here. This is one of things that makes MFP wothy.
I meant worthy.0 -
Working2BLean wrote: »It does not matter if a person was ever fat.
If I see a doctor that has never had my ailment it does not disqualify him or her.
I have learned much and been helped much by lifelong fit people. Some of my most dependable workout partners are people in their twenties that are in awesome shape!
My issues were partly metabolic, it was not something anyone else needed to experience to share encouragement and help.
While misery may love company for the possible comfort of an empathetic soul, I sought a solution, not a good feeling so much.
Now after losing 135 pounds and in the best shape since my 20's, I still seek the science behind the weight loss, the science in the Fitness.
At the end of the day I enjoy the companionship of my friends in the journey, but following of the way things works.... That is what actually makes it happen.
Fitness shaming? Lol
It is easy to trip when we are looking down on anyone else, regardless of the reason.
Your post was truly inspirational.2
