Why are so many people saying Keto is bad for health?
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@Macchiato1 Hope it helps with the MS. I am seeing improvement for for Cervical Dystonia aka Spasmodic Torticollis. I started LCHF based on undisputed evidence if it's effectiveness for Epilepsy. @silverfiend, so glad your cousin looked into non-traditional options. Question: does your niece need to continue LCHF? Thank you for adding the info regarding dyes/artificials.3
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i drink 150+ oz of water each day and never really experienced the keto flu. I remember hearing when I started to "drink water like it was going out of style". I was drinking broth (I hate the taste of salt) at least once a day to try to get my sodium up to 3000-5000 but then noticed I started retaining water. Now I just have some if I feel I'm getting a headache.2
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@Sunny_Bunny_ I wouldn't have put it if I didn't think it was correct. I will check out your sites, but my reading over the years has led me to understand the brain does not run on Ketones, ever. My understanding is that the body has the ability to convert protein and or ketones to the glucose it needs. If I am misinformed, I apologize.
Not only can it use ketones, it thrives on them. This is precisely why a ketogenic diet was used for treating epilepsy before medications were available and when medications are ineffective. Because the presence of ketones keeps it functioning correctly.
And this is why it's being studied as part of treatment for Alzheimer's and it shows amazing results for people healing from traumatic brain injury.
Ketones produced from consuming coconut oil (because of the short chain fatty acids) will even be used by the brain preferentially to available glucose in a person eating a high carb diet.2 -
Sodium is not the only electrolyte, also. Two common ones that you likely are not getting enough of are potassium and magnesium. In my opinion, the easiest way to get the magnesium is with spinach as it is very low carb and very high in magnesium (40% rda in just one cup). Using "No Salt" salt substitute can help with the potassium, but you may need to find another source to get enough of it. If you are like me, I can easily eat a whole bag of spinach in one sitting and get all the magnesium I need and a chunk of the potassium for only 10 carbs - 7 of which are fiber. Full disclosure - I prefer to avoid supplements when possible.3
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cstehansen wrote: »Sodium is not the only electrolyte, also. Two common ones that you likely are not getting enough of are potassium and magnesium. In my opinion, the easiest way to get the magnesium is with spinach as it is very low carb and very high in magnesium (40% rda in just one cup). Using "No Salt" salt substitute can help with the potassium, but you may need to find another source to get enough of it. If you are like me, I can easily eat a whole bag of spinach in one sitting and get all the magnesium I need and a chunk of the potassium for only 10 carbs - 7 of which are fiber. Full disclosure - I prefer to avoid supplements when possible.
That's in one cup of cooked spinach, you would need a lot more raw spinach to get your daily value of magnesium0 -
cstehansen wrote: »Sodium is not the only electrolyte, also. Two common ones that you likely are not getting enough of are potassium and magnesium. In my opinion, the easiest way to get the magnesium is with spinach as it is very low carb and very high in magnesium (40% rda in just one cup). Using "No Salt" salt substitute can help with the potassium, but you may need to find another source to get enough of it. If you are like me, I can easily eat a whole bag of spinach in one sitting and get all the magnesium I need and a chunk of the potassium for only 10 carbs - 7 of which are fiber. Full disclosure - I prefer to avoid supplements when possible.
Also, from my understanding - the potassium and magnesium get dumped and cause issues when the sodium is too low, in an effort to conserve what little is left. If you take care of the sodium, the potassium and magnesium levels in your body are not used as much.2 -
good catch. Here is a link showing what you get from a 10 oz package of raw spinach:
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2626/2
Magnesium - 56%
Potassium - 45%
Still a pretty fair amount for only having the 3 net carbs.2 -
cstehansen wrote: »good catch. Here is a link showing what you get from a 10 oz package of raw spinach:
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2626/2
Magnesium - 56%
Potassium - 45%
Still a pretty fair amount for only having the 3 net carbs.
That's a lot of spinach to eat every day0 -
I do it 2-4 times a week. It is usually as a very simple salad including some kind of meat, a couple hard boiled eggs and some bleu cheese dressing. Or I use it as a base for taco salad (no tortilla chips) instead of the typical iceberg lettuce which is a weekly staple in my house. Both of these are great for weeknights when there is not a lot of time to cook after work.3
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My quick pick me up is a hard boiled egg with spinach. Also love wilted spinach with cream. Spinach in my salads. Hmm, I think I might just be addicted.3
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@Macchiato1 Hope it helps with the MS. I am seeing improvement for for Cervical Dystonia aka Spasmodic Torticollis. I started LCHF based on undisputed evidence if it's effectiveness for Epilepsy. @silverfiend, so glad your cousin looked into non-traditional options. Question: does your niece need to continue LCHF? Thank you for adding the info regarding dyes/artificials.
I believe they gradually increased her carb levels and watched for results over the last couple years. I do remember my cousin talking about how happy she was to get an actual icecream cone. I haven't followed her exact proceedures but I believe that shes now on a moderately low carb diet.1 -
silverfiend wrote: »@Macchiato1 Hope it helps with the MS. I am seeing improvement for for Cervical Dystonia aka Spasmodic Torticollis. I started LCHF based on undisputed evidence if it's effectiveness for Epilepsy. @silverfiend, so glad your cousin looked into non-traditional options. Question: does your niece need to continue LCHF? Thank you for adding the info regarding dyes/artificials.
I believe they gradually increased her carb levels and watched for results over the last couple years. I do remember my cousin talking about how happy she was to get an actual icecream cone. I haven't followed her exact proceedures but I believe that shes now on a moderately low carb diet.
Thank you!1 -
You can't convince some people. My 75-year-old father thinks I'm totally nuts. But he also thinks margarine is better for you than butter. I know this works for me. I feel better, I look better, and my ADD symptoms are dramatically reduced. I just try to live my life and not advertise my food choices to the naysayers.
I hope your flu passes quickly...a cup of full-sodium chicken broth each day works wonders!5 -
Anicamarais wrote: »I drink lots of water and eat lost of salt so I can't see why the flu is getting me so bad...
Yes, most newbies to LCHF say this. The truth of the matter is that drinking lots of water causes salt, sodium, potassium, magnesium to be flushed from your body (i.e. where water goes, electrolytes follow). Also, it is impossible to salt your food or drinks heavily enough to meet your sodium needs on a daily basis. Following this way of eating (WOE) you need a MINMUM of 3000 - 5000mg of salt EVERY SINGLE DAY. Not kidding. Continue to ignore this advice at your own peril...it will only cause your keto flu to get worse. We've all seen too many stories where people gave up on Keto because they did not try to correct their electrolyte imbalances and it's very simple and easy to do. Dissolve a bouillon cube in the appropriate amount of water and drink 1-2 cubes per day. This is what I do among other things.5 -
Im just a low carbo I've not monitored ketones, it just works for me, it's really simple to follow. I always have high sodium soup daily, as broth before main meal is satiating. For me its just easy.
First time I did it I lost 16 kg in four months, and then maintained for years. Im only back as gained weight in hospital, and general bad eating habits and immobility, due to an accident.
Goodluck on your journey hope it works well for you too. I am considering adding more salt after reading the above posts2 -
Will Avocado kick me out of ketosis as I see it contains some carbs? ? And what about sugar free peanutbutter? ? I normally have a quarter teaspoon of sugar free peanutbutter when I crave sugar or carbs... or a cup of cocoa with no sugar and some milk. . Will any of these things kick me out of ketosis???0
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Anicamarais wrote: »Will Avocado kick me out of ketosis as I see it contains some carbs? ? And what about sugar free peanutbutter? ? I normally have a quarter teaspoon of sugar free peanutbutter when I crave sugar or carbs... or a cup of cocoa with no sugar and some milk. . Will any of these things kick me out of ketosis???
Phinney ballparks the daily number of net carbs generally tolerated in ketosis at around 60g (with significant individual variation).
An avocado has around 2; a quarter tsp. of PB, maybe 1. (But a cup of skim milk... around 13!)
My compliments on your tenacity and dedication. I see great success in your future!
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auntstephie321 wrote: »cstehansen wrote: »good catch. Here is a link showing what you get from a 10 oz package of raw spinach:
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2626/2
Magnesium - 56%
Potassium - 45%
Still a pretty fair amount for only having the 3 net carbs.
That's a lot of spinach to eat every day
Yes, but spinach is awesome. Raw and in smoothies. Just not the way I cooked it tonight... Which was sautéed with garlic and butter. It sounds delicious, it really wasn't, at least not for me.
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Shadowmf023 wrote: »auntstephie321 wrote: »cstehansen wrote: »good catch. Here is a link showing what you get from a 10 oz package of raw spinach:
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2626/2
Magnesium - 56%
Potassium - 45%
Still a pretty fair amount for only having the 3 net carbs.
That's a lot of spinach to eat every day
Yes, but spinach is awesome. Raw and in smoothies. Just not the way I cooked it tonight... Which was sautéed with garlic and butter. It sounds delicious, it really wasn't, at least not for me.
lol it is delicious I just cant eat two bags of it. I actually measured it out at one time when putting in my smoothie, holy crap a whole handful amounted to almost nothing.
try it sautéed with goat cheese and stuffed in mushrooms wrapped in bacon
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@Shadowmf023 Try adding a BIT of freshly grated nutmeg to your spinach saute for improved taste. I prefer spinach sauteed with a few caramelized onions versus garlic.1
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@Shadowmf023 Try adding a BIT of freshly grated nutmeg to your spinach saute for improved taste. I prefer spinach sauteed with a few caramelized onions versus garlic.
The caramelized onions sound lovely!1 -
This is why I love this way of eating. I had a 3 egg omelette with bacon and cheese with a good 3 handfuls of spinach all fried in extra virgin olive oil for breakfast/lunch and a cup of coffee with heavy cream. I've driven my wife about, played soccer and had a bag of pork rinds. I don't feel hungry and I've had great energy levels all day.
Tomorrow will be a protein feed day as I've been working out and playing sports.2 -
Shadowmf023 wrote: »@Shadowmf023 Try adding a BIT of freshly grated nutmeg to your spinach saute for improved taste. I prefer spinach sauteed with a few caramelized onions versus garlic.
The caramelized onions sound lovely!
I do like 5-6oz raw spinach sautéed in bacon fat with just a light sprinkle of granualted garlic and finish it with a couple shots of red wine vinegar.1 -
Well, this is just a wild guess. But perhaps it's because cows, chickens and truck farmers don't have highly paid lobbyists working for them, in sharp contrast to General Mills, Coco-Cola, Kraft Foods and rest of the gang.3
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Thanks for the post about spinach. I too am addicted. I use spinach as a base for everything. Eggs, stews, ground beef chili, salads and eat it raw, steamed, fried, crisped like chips, etc. 1 cup cooked would be easy for me regularly. If I can cook in a frying pan, the result can go over raw or cooked spinach. Wish I could find grown up spinach more often instead of this baby stuff. I eat enough of it when I am at home that I was beginning to worry whether it was really that good for me and maybe I was overdosing on some element.
I knew it had good magnesium. Still a little concerned over volume so I still think my contemplation about researching is perhaps a good idea to move to action.
Steamed with salt and pepper and a dizzle of ACV. And a bit of soft cheese on top. Yum.0
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