Big Pharma just will not give up...
ccrdragon
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until they have all adults taking this crap!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/11/13/new-statin-guidelines-everyone-age-40-should-be-considered-for-the-drug-therapy/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/11/13/new-statin-guidelines-everyone-age-40-should-be-considered-for-the-drug-therapy/
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When they figure out how make myostatin inhibitors that work on humans, I'm in. Until then, they can eat a dick.5
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The brainwashing is real. A 30 something year old nurse told me she was on it because she didn't want to have a heart attack. How many 30 year olds need to be worried about having a heart attack? Blows my mind.1
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Rainqueen77 wrote: »The brainwashing is real. A 30 something year old nurse told me she was on it because she didn't want to have a heart attack. How many 30 year olds need to be worried about having a heart attack? Blows my mind.
Ask John Ritter and Billy Mays.
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Statins... As far as I can tell they are only useful for some middleaged men who have already had a heart attack. No one else.
My mother's doctor put her on a statin without explaining what it was beyond "this will lower your risk of hear attack because you are overweight." I remember questioning her about it. "Is it a statin?" No, no, the doctor didn't say that....It caused her muscle problems and pain and cognitive issues to the point that she was starting to worry about dementia. I went through her prescriptions with her, gave her information and she dropped it and slowly recovered.
Grr. She is overweight with very slightly high BP. Perfect BG. Not even apple shaped. Made me soooo mad that they did that to her.2 -
This is scary. These drugs work by lowering the amount of cholesterol made at the cellular level. Given the blood/brain barrier, cholesterol from other cells and from diet CAN'T go to the brain. The brain only has access to cholesterol it makes. Low cholesterol in the brain = high risk of dementia and Alzheimer's. So I guess they are looking to open a ton of nursing homes to care for people with healthy hearts (assuming you believe cholesterol is as bad as they are claiming) but are incapable of wiping their own butts.5
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Rainqueen77 wrote: »The brainwashing is real. A 30 something year old nurse told me she was on it because she didn't want to have a heart attack. How many 30 year olds need to be worried about having a heart attack? Blows my mind.
Ask John Ritter and Billy Mays.
They were both 50 something?0 -
Rainqueen77 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Rainqueen77 wrote: »The brainwashing is real. A 30 something year old nurse told me she was on it because she didn't want to have a heart attack. How many 30 year olds need to be worried about having a heart attack? Blows my mind.
Ask John Ritter and Billy Mays.
They were both 50 something?
When killed yes, but if I am recalling correctly, they both had longstanding issues with it, stretching back decades. Either that or I am recalling someone else. I CBF to keep accurate track of celebrity lives.1 -
Just fyi cause I'm bored at work - Billy Mays used cocaine and Ritter's heart issue was unrecognized and undetected - at least according to CNN and Google.
I'm sure statins might/could help some people, but everyone? Doubt it.2 -
Oh, don't get it twisted, I was more joking than anything, regardless of age. Even if I were correct, the number is so ridiculously small, that recommendations for any sizeable chunk of the population to be on them is patently ridiculous.1
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Oh, don't get it twisted, I was more joking than anything, regardless of age. Even if I were correct, the number is so ridiculously small, that recommendations for any sizeable chunk of the population to be on them is patently ridiculous.
yes it is, but statins are a billion dollar industry for pharma, and then there's all the extra meds that people take to handle the side effects and future effects of taking them and so on...1 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Rainqueen77 wrote: »The brainwashing is real. A 30 something year old nurse told me she was on it because she didn't want to have a heart attack. How many 30 year olds need to be worried about having a heart attack? Blows my mind.
Ask John Ritter and Billy Mays.
John Ritter had a Type A aortic dissection. Not a heart attack. Literally the aorta splits apart and the heart gets surrounded with blood until it cannot pump any more. Not related to coronary disease.2 -
That being said, people in their 30 should be worrying about their hearts! But taking statins isn't really the first thing to be doing in order to help your heart.1
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U.S. Preventive Services Task Force folks issued the guidelines.
Why they're recommending statins to prevent pregnancies in older breeders is beyond me. Maybe you're supposed to hold them between your knees....4 -
a 10% increase in risk = take these drugs...so if my base risk is 1% and now a dr decides my risk is 1.1%, it's time for a daily prescription for the rest of my life
I'm so happy to have an herbalist 2 miles away2 -
This thread looks (sounds) like every conversation at holiday get-togethers. I am pro-diet control of disease when possible. One of my four sisters is high level pharm doc at Glaxo Smith Kline (GSK). Two other sisters are MDs...one a radiologist, the other an ER doc/toxicologist/sports med doc/bodybuilder. One is traditional med...the other thinks much more along my beliefs.
Listen, read, research and do what is right for you.
It's amazing that 5 women all get along but this post from one (just after the election) reminds me why we love each other so much.
"5 sisters from a farm in North Dakota. Three career veterans and 2 extremely successful professionals. We could not be more diverse in our opinions, political beliefs, and fashion sense. But somehow we grew up and learned to get along despite thinking each other is a raving lunatic at times. Maybe America needs some time on the farm.
Added Mom and Dad. My mom sky diving on her 60th birthday and my dad who really walked up hill, in the snow, against the wind, both ways (13 miles) to get an education. Please don't judge any American based on their political affiliation. The right to embrace our diversity is precious."3 -
Wow. So, I'm 40, never been over or under weight, moderately active, BP of 105/65, last cholesterol test was 132 total (forgot rest of numbers, tris were less than 50, IIRC). A1c under 5 with fasted BG of 80, PP BG just under 100.
I can think of no good thing that would come from prescribing statins to a patient with these numbers. If this comes to be SOP, I'm going to run far, far away from any Dr. that would suggest me a statin Rx with a straight face. Terrifying.3 -
People are taking way too many medications these days. I'm the only one in my household who doesn't take medication everyday for "something". It's just astonishing that people accept these treatments so readily to fix whatever issues pop up in their labs instead of perhaps making some lifestyle changes to eliminate the cause of abnormal results.
During my last appointment everyone I saw kept asking me "what pharmacy do you use?". I said "I don't!". Is that a normal thing these days? To "have" a pharmacy? Ask anybody, "what pharmacy do you use?" Most will actually give you one. It's sad really.
My last A1C was 5.5 and my doctor suggested metformin. I said "nope", it's time for a diet reform, see you in six months. I think at that point he knew better than to suggest lipitor or zocor for my cholesterol.
I wish I could find a good homeo doc in my area, unfortunately I'm stuck with the ones that think a script is the answer to every complaint.3 -
The 'Big Pharma' industry exists on the same principle as any other business - supply and demand. If so many people weren't so prepared to take mediation instead of control of their lives then there wouldn't be the abundance of cholesterol/glucose lowering medications.
Besides, if the problem is with 'Big Pharma' why are we all discussing a recommendation from the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force ?2 -
dancing_daisy wrote: »The 'Big Pharma' industry exists on the same principle as any other business - supply and demand. If so many people weren't so prepared to take mediation instead of control of their lives then there wouldn't be the abundance of cholesterol/glucose lowering medications.
Besides, if the problem is with 'Big Pharma' why are we all discussing a recommendation from the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force ?
There is a lot of validity here. We can blame Pharma companies and regulatory agencies all we want. At the end of the day, I'll bet each one of you can count on one hand, with fingers to spare, the number of people you know in person who would rather unfuck their bodies through work than pills.
ETA: I know one: me.3 -
dancing_daisy wrote: »The 'Big Pharma' industry exists on the same principle as any other business - supply and demand. If so many people weren't so prepared to take mediation instead of control of their lives then there wouldn't be the abundance of cholesterol/glucose lowering medications.
Besides, if the problem is with 'Big Pharma' why are we all discussing a recommendation from the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force ?
I shared on the NSV's thread about friends from church who went keto last week with amazing results in less than a week (one dropped FBG from 240's to 120's while eliminating fast acting insulin and cutting dosage on slow acting insulin).
At the same time, I know several who just want a pill or a shot to make it all better. Sad thing is the insulin is messing them up as bad or worse than the high BG. It just isn't as obvious at first.
We now live in a world of instant gratification and "work" is a four letter word. Just look at how many people have bought the toy "easy button" from the Staples commercial. That sums up most people's attitude of how every "solution" should be.8 -
cstehansen wrote: »dancing_daisy wrote: »The 'Big Pharma' industry exists on the same principle as any other business - supply and demand. If so many people weren't so prepared to take mediation instead of control of their lives then there wouldn't be the abundance of cholesterol/glucose lowering medications.
Besides, if the problem is with 'Big Pharma' why are we all discussing a recommendation from the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force ?
I shared on the NSV's thread about friends from church who went keto last week with amazing results in less than a week (one dropped FBG from 240's to 120's while eliminating fast acting insulin and cutting dosage on slow acting insulin).
At the same time, I know several who just want a pill or a shot to make it all better. Sad thing is the insulin is messing them up as bad or worse than the high BG. It just isn't as obvious at first.
We now live in a world of instant gratification and "work" is a four letter word. Just look at how many people have bought the toy "easy button" from the Staples commercial. That sums up most people's attitude of how every "solution" should be.
I'm constantly fighting against that with my kids. Yesterday I actually told one of them "Would you be patient? Everything isn't 'point&click'." They think they are the Genie, and all they have to do is fold their arms and blink and the world should just fall in their lap. That's not reality. (And they wouldn't even get that reference...sigh.) Clearly I need to beat that into their heads more. It's the Lazy-pocalypse, and it's here.
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Drugs aren't cure-alls, but not everyone can un*kitten* themselves through effort and willpower alone.
Statins, for all their evils and fall from Heroes to Goats, exert an anti-inflammatory effect. Considering Alzheimer's, CVD, and God knows what other life-wreckers are associated with inflammation, ya might want to check the bathwater for probiotics before you pitch it.0 -
Rainqueen77 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Rainqueen77 wrote: »The brainwashing is real. A 30 something year old nurse told me she was on it because she didn't want to have a heart attack. How many 30 year olds need to be worried about having a heart attack? Blows my mind.
Ask John Ritter and Billy Mays.
They were both 50 something?
Billy Mays was also on cocaine, not judging him but it wouldn't help his situation either.
I just do not see a reason for anyone to be on statin drugs when we know most peoples issue is with nutrition. Now if they decide to throw nutrition out the window and refuse to change their diet, I suppose that's another story, but step one should be to try addressing food habits first.2 -
Rainqueen77 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Rainqueen77 wrote: »The brainwashing is real. A 30 something year old nurse told me she was on it because she didn't want to have a heart attack. How many 30 year olds need to be worried about having a heart attack? Blows my mind.
Ask John Ritter and Billy Mays.
They were both 50 something?
Billy Mays was also on cocaine, not judging him but it wouldn't help his situation either.
I just do not see a reason for anyone to be on statin drugs when we know most peoples issue is with nutrition. Now if they decide to throw nutrition out the window and refuse to change their diet, I suppose that's another story, but step one should be to try addressing food habits first.
I do agree with you - try the old medicine first!
But even Dr. Bernstein, a Big Pharma skeptic, does recommend Glucophage if diet isn't sufficient to get BG down to non-diabetic levels, and statins in limited circumstances (CVD risk).
I don't want to be the guy St. Peter tells, "We would have met later if you'd taken statins."1 -
baconslave wrote: »They think they are the Genie, and all they have to do is fold their arms and blink and the world should just fall in their lap. That's not reality. (And they wouldn't even get that reference...sigh.) Clearly I need to beat that into their heads more. It's the Lazy-pocalypse, and it's here.
I did get the reference. Either you are as old as me, or you watch(ed) a lot of reruns.
Speaking of "Lazy-pocalypse" you should watch Idiocracy if you have never seen that movie. It was made several years ago but (unfortunately) has been more prophetic than 1984 was.1 -
cstehansen wrote: »baconslave wrote: »They think they are the Genie, and all they have to do is fold their arms and blink and the world should just fall in their lap. That's not reality. (And they wouldn't even get that reference...sigh.) Clearly I need to beat that into their heads more. It's the Lazy-pocalypse, and it's here.
I did get the reference. Either you are as old as me, or you watch(ed) a lot of reruns.
Speaking of "Lazy-pocalypse" you should watch Idiocracy if you have never seen that movie. It was made several years ago but (unfortunately) has been more prophetic than 1984 was.
I'll have to watch Idiocracy.
I'm about 9 years younger than you. But my parents were in their mid-30s when they had me so I was exposed to a lot more of the so-called "older" stuff.0 -
cstehansen wrote: »baconslave wrote: »They think they are the Genie, and all they have to do is fold their arms and blink and the world should just fall in their lap. That's not reality. (And they wouldn't even get that reference...sigh.) Clearly I need to beat that into their heads more. It's the Lazy-pocalypse, and it's here.
I did get the reference. Either you are as old as me, or you watch(ed) a lot of reruns.
Speaking of "Lazy-pocalypse" you should watch Idiocracy if you have never seen that movie. It was made several years ago but (unfortunately) has been more prophetic than 1984 was.
Here's the link to a wiki page on the movie Idiocracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy
It is available to rent for $2.99 from Amazon, VUDU, Google Play & probably other places that don't show up on my streaming device. Don't waste your $2.99...wait until you can see it for free. If you see it offered free, definitely watch. I saw this movie about a year ago...it was free on one of the streaming sites. I agree that it is prophetic (or maybe just a true to time dramatization of how dumbed-down our society has become).
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So when every kid who acts like a kid is on some sort of ADD medication and everyone over 40 is on statins and every women over 60 is on some sort of osteoporosis drug: Hot dang, we'll all be superhumans!!3
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mandycat223 wrote: »So when every kid who acts like a kid is on some sort of ADD medication and everyone over 40 is on statins and every women over 60 is on some sort of osteoporosis drug: Hot dang, we'll all be superhumans!!
Well, we're definitely on the path to being supersized humans, if that counts.2 -
Hmm. I'm not sher I like that direkshun for hulth car....
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