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Dragonwolf wrote: »cricketpower wrote: »^ What the Health is a bunch of crap.
So is this. I am sorry but it is. Balanced diet and nothing else matters unless there are medical issues.
You do realize you're posting in a group dedicated to low carb (which includes keto), right?
Yeap. And I FULLY expected to get flamed for posting this, but it has to be said. Documentaries like this are so scewed one way or another that its just sad. It was interesting yes, does it really work? Nope. Did it work for the ppl in the documentary? Yes, but please see where these people were coming from, diets. No wonder it worked.
No one gets flamed here. We have discussions.
Haven't seen it. From what I've heard, it's biased or has an agenda. Many documentaries do these days. Actually, everything does, really.
But sure, if your diet is bad enough, any major improvements will likely garner major benefits. Would they have improved as much with another improved diet? Probably. But we don't know, because this isn't a RCT. It's just a docu-movie. It's probably a "n=1" fest. Does that mean it's all a sham?
We do know there's no magic. And there also isn't one perfect diet. But many find LCHF plans more sustainable for them. It certainly feels like magic when you can finally stick with something after failing and/or suffering over and over. When your health/pain/fatigue or whatever gets better.
Is it "the keto-way or the highway?" Of course not. Does the movie say that or just insinuate it?
Just some thoughts.
It'll be awhile before I can see it. And I'll have to watch it here and there in pieces probably. My hubby would rather stab himself in the eye than watch a low-carb movie.
But he did sit through all eleventy-six episodes of the PBS Vietnam Ken Burns Documentary. THAT'S what a real documentary is. Whew. Intense.
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It's gotta be LCHF/Keto for me or I will surely die. This documentary is a lifesaver for so may T2 diabetes. I've watched amputees and deaths in my family because of lack of information, so every little bit helps. There are so may vids on the SAD, so it's nice to see an alternative that is actually saving lives. My doctor (who has prescribed Keto and fasting) called me and told me about this documentary.11
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Dragonwolf wrote: »cricketpower wrote: »^ What the Health is a bunch of crap.
So is this. I am sorry but it is. Balanced diet and nothing else matters unless there are medical issues.
You do realize you're posting in a group dedicated to low carb (which includes keto), right?
Yeap. And I FULLY expected to get flamed for posting this, but it has to be said. Documentaries like this are so scewed one way or another that its just sad. It was interesting yes, does it really work? Nope. Did it work for the ppl in the documentary? Yes, but please see where these people were coming from, diets. No wonder it worked.
Does it really work? Instead of "Nope" I would change that to for some it works very, very well.
Does it work very well for everyone? No, of course not.
It is very possible that if the people had switched to an Ornish/Pritikin style of diet that their health would have improved too, but that doesn't make the fact that keto worked for them any less true.
But I doubt a plant based diet would have helped the autistic girl with epilepsy. Ketones seem to do wonders for some people suffering with that, when other meds and diets do little.7 -
I came over and joined this group to get away from those posters above (and others). They post the same things in the general forum groups, create quite the drama, and do not follow this WOE. So why join here?
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Dragonwolf wrote: »cricketpower wrote: »^ What the Health is a bunch of crap.
So is this. I am sorry but it is. Balanced diet and nothing else matters unless there are medical issues.
You do realize you're posting in a group dedicated to low carb (which includes keto), right?
Yeap. And I FULLY expected to get flamed for posting this, but it has to be said. Documentaries like this are so scewed one way or another that its just sad. It was interesting yes, does it really work? Nope. Did it work for the ppl in the documentary? Yes, but please see where these people were coming from, diets. No wonder it worked.
I see no flaming going on here. Remember, disagreement is not the same as flaming. Also, I wasn't referring to your opinion on the video, but rather your comment regarding "balanced diet," because according to mainstream, "balanced" is USDA or "Mediterranean" style and low carb in general is not considered "balanced" (never mind the fact that mainstream's idea of "balanced"...isn't, by its own definition).
For the ones with general diet-related health issues, it likely was the diet change, itself and they could have improved on nearly any diet. When the bar is so low that it's underground, even a bar on the ground is a raise in comparison. I've seen evidence that a diet that consisted entirely of white rice and sugar can reverse diet-caused metabolic dysfunction, prompt weight loss, and keep the improvements even after the diet is no longer followed, which illustrates just how bad the Standard American Diet actually is when it comes to metabolic health. (It's also worth noting that most who struggle with their weight on the SAD probably do have a "medical issue." Lack of diagnosis does not mean there's no problem. Correcting the underlying dysfunction is a big reason why at least some people can lose weight eating at least as much on keto and lose weight where they couldn't previously.)
That said, it's also about adherence. The best diet in the world doesn't mean jack if the person can't stick to it. For most people, the higher fat and protein content makes it easier to stick to, because it's more satisfying. And when you can lose weight without feeling like you're trying, that does seem magical.
There are a great many studies that support the efficacy of ketogenic diets on epilepsy and other neurological disorders. Low carb was also the go-to diet for diabetes before the fat scare of the late 20th century (you can actually find old doctor recommendations from the 1950s and earlier that prescribe reduced carbohydrate diets for diabetics), and there's a growing body of formal research to support it, too. Regarding cancer, there is less research, but what's available does suggest that keto can be a helpful addition to treatment in at least some types of cancer (Andrew Scarborough is another good case study, and he's been working with doctors and researches for several years now).
Of course it's biased, that's what "edutainment" type documentaries are, especially these days, and that's exactly what this one is (with a name like "The Magic Pill" do you really expect any different?). Sometimes, though, it's what it takes to start changing mainstream minds.
The question is, though, is the science presented in the movie inaccurate? I personally found the implication that keto "cured" the girls Autism to be cringeworthy, but there's no doubt that it removed barriers to her development, and the overall science was sound, especially for the more common issues (such as the metabolic disorders).
These two things combined make it worth watching, I think, especially if someone has family members who could benefit from a low carb lifestyle, but need an external method of persuasion.6 -
Does it work? Of course it works!
We get new studies all the time. Here's a new one from this month talking about the effects of extreme carb restriction for people with type-1.
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2018/05/03/peds.2017-3349RESULTS: [. . .] the time following a VLCD was 2.2 ± 3.9 years. Participants had a mean daily carbohydrate intake of 36 ± 15 g. Reported mean HbA1c was 5.67% ± 0.66%. Only 7 (2%) respondents reported diabetes-related hospitalizations in the past year, including 4 (1%) for ketoacidosis and 2 (1%) for hypoglycemia.
CONCLUSIONS: Exceptional glycemic control of T1DM with low rates of adverse events was reported by a community of children and adults who consume a VLCD.[. . .]
The A to Z study is another great one, when it comes to looking at the effects on weight loss. The effects on people who have seizures is almost undeniable. The effects for people who suffer migraines is also recognized in some studies, and well established among those of us who used to suffer from them and no longer do (or have much fewer).
There is almost no chronic condition that isn't improved by a very low carb diet. Is it magic? In many ways it seems to be. It's not easy or an overnight solution for things. But, it does improve so many things.
Edit: It should be noted: for people who suffer from migraines, the reduction/elimination of migraines is worth almost any cost. If a low-carb/carnivore diet offered me no other benefits, I would still adhere to it just to avoid migraines. I imagine that people who suffer from other issues that are helped by low-carb feel similarly about the relief they experience.9 -
I think it did a good job of questioning the assumptions most of us grew up with--that eating low fat is healthy, that we should avoid saturated fat, that things that come from a box are more pure or smartly designed than things that grow from the earth. I say this as someone who came of age spraying I Can't Believe It's Not Butter on her fat-free Lite white bread.
I'm not sure that it successfully made the case that keto is for everyone and actually is a magic pill, but it sure made me question whether low fat is a magic pill for health in America, and also made me more aware of the fact that we all look at health through the lens of being in the post-epidemic era (we're beyond the point of when people die from infections and they now die from chronic conditions caused by lifestyle.) I feel pretty passionately that we should all take more personal responsibility for our own health, and stop expecting medicine to treat conditions we can prevent by being more conscious about what we eat and how we live. No matter what diet we're on.5 -
Running_and_Coffee wrote: »I think it did a good job of questioning the assumptions most of us grew up with--that eating low fat is healthy, that we should avoid saturated fat, that things that come from a box are more pure or smartly designed than things that grow from the earth. I say this as someone who came of age spraying I Can't Believe It's Not Butter on her fat-free Lite white bread.
I'm not sure that it successfully made the case that keto is for everyone and actually is a magic pill, but it sure made me question whether low fat is a magic pill for health in America, and also made me more aware of the fact that we all look at health through the lens of being in the post-epidemic era (we're beyond the point of when people die from infections and they now die from chronic conditions caused by lifestyle.) I feel pretty passionately that we should all take more personal responsibility for our own health, and stop expecting medicine to treat conditions we can prevent by being more conscious about what we eat and how we live. No matter what diet we're on.
I agree. It's a bit unfortunate that they chose to name it The Magic Pill.
... But I guess it would attract more people than This Diet Could Help You With Some Health Problems so Consider Trying it. 9 -
I took the the title "The Magic Pill" to mean there wasn't any! That's just me
I thought the documentary was worth watching.
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I took the the title "The Magic Pill" to mean there wasn't any! That's just me I thought the documentary was worth watching.
That was my take too. My generation came along right after wide use of antibiotics got underway. I know some of my generation will load up on sugar and say I will take an extra Metformin as if it is a magic pill.
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OK just watched this movie and I am just blown away , now I want to try to do the keto again , I do low carb now , but I am going to do more research before I try again , and I don't know why I am not going into ketosis , it has been over 100 days and I am really struggling , but I am doing the diet , what am I missing , is it the metformin or the lantus holding me back ??? but Thank You so Much for telling us about this movie . it was amazing .3
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@tammyfranks2 it is on my heart to mention Dr. Jason Fung to you. I don't have a particular article or video to link, but please check out his stuff and see if anything is interesting to you. He has a book on Amazon I haven't read. I just know that I have loved every talk I've ever heard him do. Best wishes!1
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cricketpower wrote: »@tammyfranks2 it is on my heart to mention Dr. Jason Fung to you. I don't have a particular article or video to link, but please check out his stuff and see if anything is interesting to you. He has a book on Amazon I haven't read. I just know that I have loved every talk I've ever heard him do. Best wishes!
I will look him up Thank you so much
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https://www.dietdoctor.com/authors/dr-jason-fung-m-d
for anyone else who wants to watch his videos , here is a link1 -
Dr. Bernstein is a good resource for diabetics and is highly recommended by some. His book is available to borrow on Archive.org:
https://archive.org/details/isbn_9780316182690?q=dr.+bernstein's+diabetes. He has YouTube vids as well.6 -
I liked the film and thought it was interesting. I find that most documentaries these days have some sort of argument they are going to present and then footage that suits that argument and proves the point they are trying to make. With that in mind, I find the things that resonate with me throughout the film and maybe do a little more research outside of the confines of what the filmmaker is trying to say. It's always good to remain objective in most cases, in my opinion. From my personal experience the LCHF WOE has greatly benefited my health, I may not be extremely low carb or Keto but cutting out the majority of processed foods and sugars has shown significant results across the board. This WOE has kick started so many other healthy habits in my life so I can't knock it.3
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tammyfranks2 wrote: »OK just watched this movie and I am just blown away , now I want to try to do the keto again , I do low carb now , but I am going to do more research before I try again , and I don't know why I am not going into ketosis , it has been over 100 days and I am really struggling , but I am doing the diet , what am I missing , is it the metformin or the lantus holding me back ??? but Thank You so Much for telling us about this movie . it was amazing .
First, how do you know you're not in ketosis? If you're using the urine strips, it's likely a false negative. As the body adapts, fewer ketones are wasted, and the urine strips become less accurate.
That said, ketone production is insulin-moderated, so yes, the Lantus might be interfering. Metformin shouldn't, as its action is on increasing insulin sensitivity in liver (which means less insulin is required, and ideally, lower insulin levels). It might be worth revisiting your Lantus dosage if you haven't recently, to make sure you don't need the amount that you're currently taking.1 -
I took the the title "The Magic Pill" to mean there wasn't any! That's just me I thought the documentary was worth watching.
I took the title the same way. There IS no 'magic pill' folks. I'm so glad I watched this movie. Btw, before I was keto I spent time following the Specific Carbohydrate Diet and several of those forums. You noticed in this movie that one of the Moms put her boy on that diet (SCD) and saw some results but saw even greater results when her boy went LCHF/keto. The SCD did help many kids with autism. I love keto. I love not being hungry. I've been keto for almost 19 months and I'm still amazed at how satiated I am all the time.
One of the things I like about this forum is that folks here can post stuff like this and we'll usually see good, old-fashioned discussion on it for a while with studies and links provided along the way. Oh, and I second the recommendation of Dr. Fung and Dr. Bernstein.
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Gracie12311 wrote: »I came over and joined this group to get away from those posters above (and others). They post the same things in the general forum groups, create quite the drama, and do not follow this WOE. So why join here?
This is really disappointing.
This is vaguely asking for an echo chamber. Supporters of low carb/ketogenic diets do not all need to agree or support every low carb/keto topic or piece of advice solicited by anecdote or agenda. I understand the need for belonging to a like-minded community, but debate and discussions with differing opinions are productive to further understanding the science behind a given topic, rather than drinking the same keto kool-aid based on personal blogs, social media articles, documentaries, or personal endorsements.
Diets should not be dogmatic or verging on religious zealotry. If a certain diet works for you, it's because it works due to personal preference, adherence, enjoyability, ease, helps with managing certain symptoms, etc. but not because it's "better" than any other diet, in general.12
