Weekly check in Mar 19th - 26th.

NitaCB
NitaCB Posts: 532 Member
edited November 12 in Social Groups
Hi guys! This may sound like a silly idea to you, but I actually think it's a good one. Jill and I thought this would be a good idea to set up like a support group to help us get out of this state and 'reclaim' our bodies back to be operating as they should be. I thought it'd be a good idea to have a weekly thread going where we can share our goals for the week, what we're doing well and what we're struggling with.

My goals are to listen to my body, do all runs this week at a low intensity except the City 2 Surf on Sunday. Eat sufficiently to fuel my body.
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  • I am giving up running altogether this week. I ran 11 miles today--I won't run again until next monday (soonest). I am struggling already!!
  • NitaCB
    NitaCB Posts: 532 Member
    Really? Wow. I respect you. I couldn't. Well not unless I had to. I'd been meaning to ask you what your average mileage for a week was.
  • Nita--I don't tally up my mileage but since I've been done with NR since Thursday and on spring break it's been ~10 a day or so.
  • NitaCB
    NitaCB Posts: 532 Member
    And how many days a week? Maybe you avoid tallying it up as a subconscious knowledge that it might be a bit much... And I just went to convert that, 16km is heaps as an average!
  • every day since thursday.
  • morningrunner
    morningrunner Posts: 112 Member
    I just raced a half on Saturday and I had decided a few weeks ago that afterwards I would be taking a full week off of exercise instead of jumping along to training for a full marathon and another half marathon. At first I thought I would be freaking out, but since the scale ALWAYS goes down when I take a day (or two) off, I'm actually kind of excited to see what happens when I take multiple days off in a row. My calorie goal for this rest week is 1700-1800.

    I *might* do a couple light bike rides...but that's it!

    ETA: Unfortunately, running is going to take a backseat to losing weight this spring. They don't seem to go hand-in-hand these days :(
  • morningrunner
    morningrunner Posts: 112 Member
    @ Love & Nita - I also wanted to add: I'm still not quite sure that I fit the qualifications for this group. I'm not running anywhere near the mileage you guys are and I only spin and lift a couple times a week. But the symptoms I have that might fall in line with aerobic deficiency are:
    missed periods
    gaining weight & body fat even though eating at a deficit
    hypoglycemia when running
    injuries (this has gotten better since I've increased my calories)
    fatigue
    poor sleeping (like Love, I'm up at random all night long)

    Anyway...we'll see how I feel after this rest week.
  • NitaCB
    NitaCB Posts: 532 Member
    MR- sounds like you fit it pretty well. Spin is high intensity the whole way pretty much. And you sometimes do two of those in a day right?
  • MR--there are no "Requirements" to the group--I think we can support one another regardless of the volume of our training. Overtraining is completely individual based.
  • jillybeanruns
    jillybeanruns Posts: 1,420 Member
    I'm here, I'm here :-D

    Sorry Nita, I was running!

    Hi everyone, I'm Jill or JillyBean, JB...whatever :flowerforyou:
  • first day of walking. I did it. Granted it's 9:26 am and the day isn't done. But I had my shoes on, laced up, outside, on a trail--and i DIDN'T RUN! Wow, success!
  • NitaCB
    NitaCB Posts: 532 Member
    That's totally a success! I have to admit that I have a little bit of mild shin splints. I shouldn't have put in a 6th day of running last week, even if it was at an easy pace it's too much too soon. I could feel them lurking slightly yesterday and then when I did the beep test, followed by a 12 min walk test as fast as you can ... It was actually the walk that just made your whole lower leg burn! Talking of sleeping issues- its 3.40 am here. Can't sleep.
    I'm wondering if I should even be doing this team training now that I'm due to start on Mon. It'd be for 10 wks for my local half on June 3. But I don't know if I'll be able to keep myself from just pushing too hard still. It's 3 group sessions a week. The longer one on Sat I'd really have to be disciplined to slow down on. I wonder if I'd be better just spending the next 10 wks training smart- so barely any speedwork and most at an easy intensity, to try and build up a good aerobic base. I could even aim for the Wellington half 3 wks after that one instead. Effectively giving me 13 wks of base building.
  • jenniebean1680
    jenniebean1680 Posts: 350 Member
    Hi, all! Nita directed me to this group to see if I fit the description. Sure do! So now we have a JillyBean and a JennieBean, lol!! Jennie is fine. :)

    Here's my typical week:

    Sunday: Lift and spin
    Monday: Spin
    Tuesday: rest
    Wednesday: a.m. 60-min fasting run (I'm adding these in this week, did this last spring too), p.m. lift and spin
    Thursday: Hill repeat run
    Friday: Run 5-6 miles and lift
    Saturday: Long run

    This doesn't seem unreasonable to me as I'm doing it, but writing it down... That's a lot, I guess. But I teach spinning and I love to run and lift, so... There are only so many days in the week!

    For the record, since November I worked on increasing my cals up from around 1400 to 2000+ at the insistence of a nutritionist, to try to restart my metabo which she said had stalled. I am trying to lose the 10lbs I gained this year since my mom died. Even w/ this level of activity, 2000 cals caused me to gain or maintain. And I tried for months! So I am back to reducing intake until I see the scale move again. I think I may just need less than others.

    Thanks for making this group!! :)
  • Nita--sounds like joining a team won't allow you to reach your goal of reclaiming your body and really healing yourself. do what is best for you!!

    jennie--hmmm..with that kind of workout routine your metab is definitely blunted if you're gaining on 2000 calories. what are your current stats? I would NOT encourage you to reduce your calories though--you'll never restore your metabolism if you don't wait it out.
  • NitaCB
    NitaCB Posts: 532 Member
    Hi Jennie, welcome!

    That does sound like a pretty intense workload. Funny how we can't necessarily recognize it ourselves. The thing is that most of what your doing is probably working either just under your anaerobic threshold or in it. Too much of that and the wheels start to fall off. Why don't you see where you could pull it back a little? At least in intensity?
  • NitaCB
    NitaCB Posts: 532 Member
    Yea Jennie what I also meant to say is that I'm willing to put money on it being the state that your body is in from the exercise that is causing you to not lose (and gain) from what should be a healthy caloric level for your body and it's needs.
  • nita-I feel attacked on our other thread--honestly I feel like retreating and leaving MFP altogether. ((sigh)).

    I don't understand how 3 days of lifting and 1 long run is too much.
  • NitaCB
    NitaCB Posts: 532 Member
    No don't feel attacked! They're not meaning it like that. It's just that some of the advice is coming from people who may only exercise 3-4 times a week, instead of daily, like we do. (or more!)
  • NitaCB
    NitaCB Posts: 532 Member
    I just realized that I would probably have just said it like you did now- 3 days of lifting and one long run- and have just put the yoga and walking in there anyway! Walking is so not taxing.
  • jenniebean1680
    jenniebean1680 Posts: 350 Member
    My stats are 5'2", 31 years, 134 lbs.

    I did wait it out, though... I mean, I have been eating 2000+ since December, it's not like I just tried it for a week, gained, and gave up, you know? I am seriously uncomfortable where I am right now.... I want to believe that eating more will help but never in my life, either at this activity level or below, have I been able to lose weight at anything over 1600 cals/day. I do have spike days once a week or so, though, where I eat maybe 2500.

    I'm sorry you feel attacked elsewhere. I have felt that way a few times here. Everyone has an opinion!
  • jillybeanruns
    jillybeanruns Posts: 1,420 Member
    Love - Wow that's major! If I want to walk, I have to use an old pair of running sneakers (that still have enough tread but aren't good enough to run in). I just came off 3 weeks of running rest (from overuse stuff) and was cursing all the runners I saw when I was walking.

    Nita - IMHO 6 days is too much. Can you start the training program a few weeks later than it starts?

    Jennie - Hi! And I like that you have a rest day built in, that's my biggest downfall. Will likely be taking 2 this weekend (shocking) as I'm out of town for a running coach certification class. I also completely killed my metabolism training for my first marathon. I'm not a typically hungry person, so my RMR (at 5'3ish, now 127ish) is 864. I've gained 5 pounds in the last 6 months, and am consciously trying to net at least 80% of my TDEE, I fall short on it a lot, but I am trying.

    AFM, got the ALL CLEAR on NO STRESS FRACTURE a little while ago! So this serves as yet another wake-up call that I need to train smart. I usually run 4 days a week, 5 if I have a shorter race (5K usually) that falls into that week. Just getting back into running after 3 forced weeks off and I'm trying to take it easy. Logging 20-25 miles/week and listening to my body. Last week was 13 because of some disasterous hip pain. I do core work 5X a week and strength 3X a week. Also try to fit barre and yoga classes in when I have time and cross-train on the bike.
  • nita--i wanted to lay out my plan in its entirety and it was being viewed as "too much" for no reason other than --well, hell..i don't know why. ((sigh))

    jilly--yeah, it was tough. i just shut my eyes to it.

    jennie--i see. well you know your body so if you tried it and it didn't work then you should definitely try something else.
  • morningrunner
    morningrunner Posts: 112 Member
    Jennie - I'm having the same problem as you. I *should* be able to lose on 2000 and I'm not. The scale is trending upwards. I've been slowly upping since December and the scale is slowly moving up as well. I even have a BodyMedia Fit now to let me know what I'm actually burning. So far it's not really helping. Each time I initially up my calories, the scale will go down and I'll get all excited. But inevitably, I'll end up back where I started...or worse. I really feel like giving up right now. I feel like I'm on the verge of nervous breakdown.

    It would be one thing if I was a lazy person or was lacking motivation, but I'm not! I am working so hard for nothing. If someone could just tell me what to do that 100% work I would gladly do it. Sigh :(
  • morningrunner
    morningrunner Posts: 112 Member
    Love - WALKING on the trail is a huge accomplishment. I seriously understand how hard that is. I would be fighting the urge to break out into a run the whole time. Way to go!
  • MR--maybe you could change something with WHAT you're eating or WHEN you're eating certain things. Timing your macros so that you are getting the most of your workout. Spike day. Low cal day. I'm not sure--just play with it. Sorry you're so discouraged.
  • jenniebean1680
    jenniebean1680 Posts: 350 Member
    MR, wow, so I'm not alone! I have been feeling like such a weirdo. I mean, isn't 4 months long enough to have said you gave it an honest try? and yeah, here and there I have had losses, but I always end up back where I was, or higher. I wasted tons of money on a nutritionist who was adamant that I eat 2000+, period, and when I freaked out about gaining weight, she told me I had an eating disorder. Now, I'll admit to having some disordered eating habits and body image issues, but if a woman comes to you because she's frustrated and trying to lose 10 lbs that she's gained, and what you tell her to do makes her gain more, do you really expect her NOT to freak out and/or cry? /rant. So I ditched her. It became clear that my own research, and the support I get here, are just as good, if not better than her. Plus, she was pushy and treated me like a child. I'm no dummy!

    I hate hearing you have the same prob as me and the BMF isn't even helping... I thought maybe if I got that and figured out my true TDEE, then I'd be golden. How much do you have left to lose? And at what point were you when you last lost successfully? I honestly was eating like 1300-1400/day, working out like I do, with one splurge day (which I used to feel super-guilty about but now realize was helping me hit a weekly average that worked for me, so I embrace it).

    I don't want to hurt my body, and I'd LOVE to be able to lose and then maintain at more calories than I have in the past, but it's never worked.

    Love-I hope you didn't take my frustration to be towards you... I have just done so much research and believe that I really should be losing at 2000, but I'm not, and none of my clothes fit right... it's just so hard. And don't take others' opinions to heart. There are a LOT of us who work out daily. Seems like the overwhelming majority here on MFP advocates comparatively little cardio in favor or more weights. And I do love lifting, but I don't get a high from it like I do from running.
  • morningrunner
    morningrunner Posts: 112 Member
    Jennie - here's my history:
    2007 - 2009 - I lost 70 pounds. Started running and training for triathlons. Didn't really watch what I ate, and wasn't training too much, 1 swim per week, 1 cycle or spin per week, 3-4 runs per week (25 miles, tops). The weight dropped off like magic. I got down to 135# which is just about goal weight for me.

    2009 - My weight stalled at 135# so then I started to actually watch what I ate...which led me to decrease what I ate. And then I started training for a full marathon. This is when the wheels really fell off. As soon as my marathon was over I gained 10# in 3 months. I was stuck there for about a year and then I started MFP. Now I'm 150#. Sucks!

    I'm going to hang in there with my BMF for another couple weeks but if I'm still not seeing positive results I'm bumping WAAAY the hell back down. At this point, I can't even fit into my summer wardrobe. I'm utterly and completely depressed about this.

    I also had the exact same experience with a nutritionist!
  • Dangerdat
    Dangerdat Posts: 31 Member
    I'm a victim of over training and overeating. My daily calorie intake used to be about 3000 to 4000 a day but my competitive dance training (and oriental metabolism) would manage fine. Then I retired from dance and gained 25 lbs in about six months, maybe less because I ate the same but stopped exercising!

    Reading your posts I feel in the same boat as now that I'm back to training, I push thru injuries that I know I shouldnt . I have also cut my calories to 1850 which means my old diet of skittles and mountain dew had to change.

    Let's see, I do hot yoga in the morning, strength train for an hour during my lunch, then after work I do 60 to 75 minutes of cardio bursts, plyometrics, inversions, etc. Lastly, I then do two hours of dance training. Argh, typing it makes it seem crazy.
  • I'm a victim of over training and overeating. My daily calorie intake used to be about 3000 to 4000 a day but my competitive dance training (and oriental metabolism) would manage fine. Then I retired from dance and gained 25 lbs in about six months, maybe less because I ate the same but stopped exercising!

    Reading your posts I feel in the same boat as now that I'm back to training, I push thru injuries that I know I shouldnt . I have also cut my calories to 1850 which means my old diet of skittles and mountain dew had to change.

    Let's see, I do hot yoga in the morning, strength train for an hour during my lunch, then after work I do 60 to 75 minutes of cardio bursts, plyometrics, inversions, etc. Lastly, I then do two hours of dance training. Argh, typing it makes it seem crazy.

    is that workout routine EVERY day?
  • Jennie---no i didn't. no worries. I understand the general frustration at the situation.

    MR--I can see how that would be VERY VERY discouraging.
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