Did This Dad Go Too Far?
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So we should pay the expenses to keep them locked up forever?
Yup.
We'll have to agree to disagree. If we were allowed to make them work to pay their own stay (clean up national parks, etc) I would consider it. Seeing as we can't force them to do that apparently I don't think we should have to foot the bill.0 -
Yeah...what's the point of putting them in a rehab program, if they wll be locked up forever anyway? It's a waste of money. Just keep them alive. Three meals and shelter. That's it.
I said I was all for rehab, but these people cannot be rehabiliated. They just need to be locked up away from society.0 -
If that was my child, I can't say I would do anything different. I could not convict a parent who SAW it happening to their child and reacting this way. Now, if the parent didn't witness it, then the police should have been called and the courts could handle from there. That father is going to have nightmares forever about this, killing another person will be the nightmare that follows the one where he sees what that monster is doing to his daughter. No jail time can be worse than that.0
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We'll have to agree to disagree. If we were allowed to make them work to pay their own stay (clean up national parks, etc) I would consider it. Seeing as we can't force them to do that apparently I don't think we should have to foot the bill.
I'll gladly foot the bill to keep pedophiles locked away from society. I think getting out to clean a national park would be too kind.0 -
Yeah...what's the point of putting them in a rehab program, if they wll be locked up forever anyway? It's a waste of money. Just keep them alive. Three meals and shelter. That's it.
I said I was all for rehab, but these people cannot be rehabiliated. They just need to be locked up away from society.
Right. I was agreeing with you. I think they should be locked up. Rehab would be pointless, since there is no cure for people like this.0 -
Nope. Allowing him to live only allows him the opportunity to molest other children. These people have a sickness and a compulsion. I'm sorry for that, I wish they didn't. But it can't be allowed to go on.
Agreed. I'm all for rehabilitation, but even pedophiles themselves will tell you there is no cure. The only way to make 100% certain they never molest another child again is to lock them up forever, which is something I wish we did.
So we should pay the expenses to keep them locked up forever?
They should perform hard labor to pay their own expenses.0 -
They should perform hard labor to pay their own expenses.
I may watch too much TruTV, but I've heard that pedophiles have an especially hard time in prison.0 -
I have to attend VIRTUS Training every year (for the protection of children). One of the first things we learn is how harmful it can be to tell your child that you'd kill a person for harming them. That is one of the things that keeps children from telling their parents. They become too worried that mom or dad will go kill someone and end up in jail.
that is a very good point and something you should not tell a child they should feel safe without them needing to know that0 -
I think "Escape From New York" had the right idea. Find a big island somewhere, stick all the pedo's and lifelong criminals on it and let them fend for themselves.0
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They should perform hard labor to pay their own expenses.
I may watch too much TruTV, but I've heard that pedophiles have an especially hard time in prison.
They do that is why it cost more to keep them in "protective custody" out of general population.
Prison is too good for child molesters----Death Penalty period!0 -
I think "Escape From New York" had the right idea. Find a big island somewhere, stick all the pedo's and lifelong criminals on it and let them fend for themselves.
They tried that. It's called Australia.0 -
I think "Escape From New York" had the right idea. Find a big island somewhere, stick all the pedo's and lifelong criminals on it and let them fend for themselves.
They tried that. It's called Australia.
Hmmm...valid point. Maybe someplace less spacious? Worse climate? Not sure. Idea needs tweaked, but it has potential. ;-)0 -
As the parent of a 3 year old girl, I would whole-heartedly agree with the father. I can guarantee you that if ANYONE tried to hurt my little girl I would react in the same manner. I have an uncle that has been incarcerated nearly 15 years for a similar thing and those little girls (my cousins)... well they aren't little anymore; but they live with the fear every day that he may be released and may harm them again. Sexual predators are not 'normal'; they generally cannot be rehabilitated. It is our job as parents to protect our children. Granted, she shouldn't have been left alone in the house but we don't know enough details about the case to debate that, yet.0
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My father has worked in a max sec prison for about 30 years and a close friend is a guard in one. I grew up in a prison town -- we had two! You have heard correctly.They should perform hard labor to pay their own expenses.
I may watch too much TruTV, but I've heard that pedophiles have an especially hard time in prison.0 -
Perhaps, with a rational mind you could say he went too far. There comes a point where his daughter is no longer at harm, and it's not his job to serve out punishment (in this case killing the man)
However, who would think with a rational mind when you've just caught a man sexually abusing your 4 year old daughter?! I don't blame him at all for doing what he did at all, I'd do the same, and I know my dad would do the same for me too. The abuser got what was coming to him if you ask me, he shouldn't be commiting any crime if he can't handle the possible consequences!
I don't think the Dad should serve time for it, or even have a criminal record tbh. He's only doing what pretty much all parents would do if they were in that situation. Plus, if he really does feel remorseful (I wouldn't) then surely living with the knowledge that you killed somebody would be bad enough.0 -
They should perform hard labor to pay their own expenses.
I may watch too much TruTV, but I've heard that pedophiles have an especially hard time in prison.
They do that is why it cost more to keep them in "protective custody" out of general population.
Prison is too good for child molesters----Death Penalty period!
The problem with that is that people who are sentenced to death will most likely appeal, which can go on for years and cost a lot of $$$ too =/
Seems like there is no cost efficient way to deal with this, except to just toss them in with general population.
ETA: "to death"0 -
I think his actions were understandable. I'm not sure I would react differently. At the same time, I also respect and understand the reasons why his actions might/would be considered illegal. It's easy enough to say he should have just knocked the guy down or otherwise gotten his daughter out of the situation and then let the police take care of things. Obviously, in that situation the clearly superior option isn't always what's going to happen. He didn't *have* to kill the guy, and I'm guessing it wasn't accidental at the time. Rage probably took over and I get why.
The fact remains that the abuser still had rights to due process of law. We can't ignore that because scumbags deserve a beat down. I don't know how severe a judgement i would want to put on him, though.0 -
They should perform hard labor to pay their own expenses.
I may watch too much TruTV, but I've heard that pedophiles have an especially hard time in prison.
They do that is why it cost more to keep them in "protective custody" out of general population.
Prison is too good for child molesters----Death Penalty period!
The problem with that is that people who are sentenced to death will most likely appeal, which can go on for years and cost a lot of $$$ too =/
Seems like there is no cost efficient way to deal with this, except to just toss them in with general population.
ETA: "to death"
I agree with you. The system is broken in that manner. (years of appeals). Just turn them out to general pop and let fate have it's way.0 -
I can't say I'd do anything different if someone was hurting my child. maybe i would have cut something else off too. i wish i could say i'd do the "right" thing and not hurt or kill him but when it comes to my child it is totally different than any other situation.0
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No, I don't think he went far at all. Had it been me who found someone trying to molest my daughter, they would be dead.
People better think twice before thinking about abusing my daughter. I have no mercy whatsoever for pedophiles.0 -
Absolutely not! This is exactly what I would do in his shoes. I'd be more than willing to risk being mistaken than risk my children's safety. This man deserves a medal, not jail time.0
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I agree following an investigation proving the man was guilty of molesting his daughter, the dad should walk away freely with a handshake and a pat on the back! Thanks for saving the court system and jails time and money.0
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Wow, I really didn't think I would be all alone in this one. He went WAY too far. I do not believe murder is ok in this situation. I don't believe murder is EVER ok unless in self defense. And I mean real self defense, meaning, you will die without killing the other person. I do not believe in the death penalty either.
I am a mother of 3 children. All I can think of is that little 4 year old girl who not only had to suffer from this man, she also has to live with watching her father murder another person in front of her. I can't imagine how scary that entire situation was for her. I don't think I could handle watching someone beat someone to death and I am an adult.
I just feel so terrible for that little girl, for everything that she went through that day, not just the horrible molestation.0 -
Listen everone....I keep reading all of these comments about what we "think" about the situation. What we think should have happened, what we think he should have done. What we think should happen in the courts. They are not prosecuting him because he was not "thinking" at all. Everyone put yourselves in his shoes for a moment. He had no criminal intentions, no history that I am aware of, of violence, and walked in seeing his 4 year old molested. No, I am not a proponent of vigilante justice, lynch mobs, or anything of the sort. Yes, I would have like to see the molestor arrested. But you simply cannot prosecute a man like the father in this case for reacting the way he did after witnessing such a horrific act being done to his daughter. Yes, he might have broken the law. He might of damaged his daughter by his actions more so than the molestor did. But can we honestly say that we would have such a rational frame of mind at the time of something like this? If a father rushed into a strangers house where he knew his child was being held hostage to save her and he rescued her, would we charge him with trespassing?0
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Listen everone....I keep reading all of these comments about what we "think" about the situation. What we think should have happened, what we think he should have done. What we think should happen in the courts. They are not prosecuting him because he was not "thinking" at all. Everyone put yourselves in his shoes for a moment. He had no criminal intentions, no history that I am aware of, of violence, and walked in seeing his 4 year old molested. No, I am not a proponent of vigilante justice, lynch mobs, or anything of the sort. Yes, I would have like to see the molestor arrested. But you simply cannot prosecute a man like the father in this case for reacting the way he did after witnessing such a horrific act being done to his daughter. Yes, he might have broken the law. He might of damaged his daughter by his actions more so than the molestor did. But can we honestly say that we would have such a rational frame of mind at the time of something like this? If a father rushed into a strangers house where he knew his child was being held hostage to save her and he rescued her, would we charge him with trespassing?
One does not need to have made a rational choice in order to be charged with breaking the law. Crimes of passion are still crimes, for example. He didn't need to kill the man to to stop what was going on, though I think lots of us can empathize with him for doing so. I really don't know all the details of this specific case, so I'll use two similar examples. Both include the man walking in and seeing what he saw.
1) He walks in and pushes the guy who then trips and falls cracking his head open on coffee table and dies. It's an accident that happened. The Father didn't mean to kill him, and he was defending his child. If the evidence supports that claim..no harm no foul as far as I'm concerned.
2) He walks in and punches the guy who falls in a heap and then keeps wailing on him despite the fact that he's not moving. We get why he's doing it. Reason has left the building. We can't just give people a pass for not thinking rationally while they're intentionally killing someone (despite a lack of premeditation) even though we have sympathy for them when everyone has Constitutional rights to due process.0 -
Listen everone....I keep reading all of these comments about what we "think" about the situation. What we think should have happened, what we think he should have done. What we think should happen in the courts. They are not prosecuting him because he was not "thinking" at all. Everyone put yourselves in his shoes for a moment. He had no criminal intentions, no history that I am aware of, of violence, and walked in seeing his 4 year old molested. No, I am not a proponent of vigilante justice, lynch mobs, or anything of the sort. Yes, I would have like to see the molestor arrested. But you simply cannot prosecute a man like the father in this case for reacting the way he did after witnessing such a horrific act being done to his daughter. Yes, he might have broken the law. He might of damaged his daughter by his actions more so than the molestor did. But can we honestly say that we would have such a rational frame of mind at the time of something like this? If a father rushed into a strangers house where he knew his child was being held hostage to save her and he rescued her, would we charge him with trespassing?
One does not need to have made a rational choice in order to be charged with breaking the law. Crimes of passion are still crimes, for example. He didn't need to kill the man to to stop what was going on, though I think lots of us can empathize with him for doing so. I really don't know all the details of this specific case, so I'll use two similar examples. Both include the man walking in and seeing what he saw.
1) He walks in and pushes the guy who then trips and falls cracking his head open on coffee table and dies. It's an accident that happened. The Father didn't mean to kill him, and he was defending his child. If the evidence supports that claim..no harm no foul as far as I'm concerned.
2) He walks in and punches the guy who falls in a heap and then keeps wailing on him despite the fact that he's not moving. We get why he's doing it. Reason has left the building. We can't just give people a pass for not thinking rationally while they're intentionally killing someone (despite a lack of premeditation) even though we have sympathy for them when everyone has Constitutional rights to due process.
2) - you think he would be thinking rationally? if it was your child would you be?
I think the case will be turned over to the DA, as it should be after the thorough investigation. Maybe some type of wrist slapping for killing this person instead of just injuring him so he wished he had been killed. But I personally don't think any jury in the world (especially texas) would find this man guilty of anything except rage and protecting his child.0 -
2) - you think he would be thinking rationally? if it was your child would you be?
I think the case will be turned over to the DA, as it should be after the thorough investigation. Maybe some type of wrist slapping for killing this person instead of just injuring him so he wished he had been killed. But I personally don't think any jury in the world (especially texas) would find this man guilty of anything except rage and protecting his child.
It's an irrelevant question. I doubt he was being rational, and I think there's a fairly good chance I wouldn't be as well. My point is that unless killing someone is the only option, being irrational is no excuse for taking another person's life in cases like this. My second example illustrates a scenario where killing the man is not essential. The fact that the man wasn't rational when killing someone isn't an excuse, though there are legal exceptions I'm sure--temporary insanity etc, but there are requirements for those defenses as well and they're not always that easy to meet.
As unpopular as it is, it's a legal fact that sexual predators (especially those who haven't been charged yet) have rights in this country until they are proven guilty in a court of law. Even then they still have rights, just fewer of them. Any half way decent defense lawyer (who has children themselves) would know this and remind the jury of it. Whether or not that reminder is effective is another matter entirely.0 -
I absolutely do think this father went too far. What happened to his daughter was awful, and he was absolutely within his right to protect her - but at no point did he have a right to take another person's life. I don't feel that the punishment fit the crime - if the man was threatening his daughter's life, violence might be necessary, but in this case it was not the correct response.
The father took another person's life, and while he did it out of defense for his daughter, he should be punished accordingly.0 -
he did us all a favor by taking him out of society.
child molesters should not get a second chance.0
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