paulgads82 Member

I'd give up. It was such a simple point in the first place but need2exercise loves to go off on tangents, obfuscate and generally misconstrue arguments.

I see a lot of people in the alternative health crowd say AI illnessss are essentially the same problem (the immune system attacking the body) but with different manifestations. The treatment of course being a certain diet.

Then you don't have it. Well done.

I would say someone like Freelee is a great example.

What's an excuse? There's literally nothing in the diagnosis that would vilify a healthy lifestyle. Obsession is an unhealthy lifestyle. Mental health is just as important.

Sugar. I love sugar.

Yeah I think we can safely say you've given exercise a good go!

Not to lecture anyone but for exercise to have an effect on depression it needs to be consistent and maintained. It isn't going to be an instant boost every time. I say this as someone with bouts of severe depression so please don't take this the wrong way. When I'm in the grips of an episode nothing works, or at least I…

Well I'm glad I've been busy with other things....

Unless you happen to have it.

Going way off topic but as a keeper of poisonous frogs I can say some are very plain looking. There are poisonous toads and newts too, you couldn't tell by their colours.

Thousands of years of refining foods into something that is an incredible experience. Food is just too good in the 21st Century. Combine this with a biological urge to eat whenever we can.

Nature gave us hunger.

They are fine. There is no GMO in the market now that isn't fine. If you want to stretch the point so far to include the possibility that GM technology could be used to create something that isn't fine......I guess you could have that.

I'm not playing this silly game.

I can't believe in a debate forum the naturalistic fallacy is still used so often.

As I've now stated 3 times. With GMOs the gene modification is much simpler and controlled. Yet apparently "not nature" seems to be the best attempt at refuting this point.

This is the debate forum and the debate is about GMO.

Word salad.

What? How on earth is the fact that we eat modified genes all the time a separate subject to eating genes that have been modified in a much simpler fashion? It couldn't be more relevant.

Which AI illness do you have?

I ordered some organic veg once. Tasted incredible. But I put it down to the variety and freshness. My own veg tastes amazing too. Like really amazing. It's just fresh and I pick varieties for flavour not yield.

I know. I'm trying to draw attention to how common gene modification is in our diet already. Probably not as well as I'd like perhaps.....

What happens when new life is created? Genes come from......? It's actually very comparable, only with GMO foods fewer genes are switched and with greater control.

People don't think they are safe because they read it on the intrernet. Appeals to the failures of medical science by invoking thalidomide are fallacious, as explained here https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/oh-yeah-thalidomide-wheres-your-science-now/ I'm still waiting on why fast change is scary but slow isn't. Would…

Also I want to add that every time you eat meat that's a GMO. The genes coming from both parents. Genes that haven't been together or eaten before. Brand new GMO.

Of course. I do it. It's just a lot easier when I'm growing just for me.

"Just give it another 15....."

I'm not asking you to believe anything. I'm asking for a reason to fear foods just because they've had a gene added. Fallacious appeals to past medical mistakes don't convince me much either. The soy, Apple, wheat point is also unconvincing, they have been changing for thousands of years, each time their genes and allele…

Can we at least have a hypothetical scenario of a problem? What exactly can a gene do to cause harm when it's placed into a food which also has other genes? You said some are unsafe, which?