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I got them all right except the first one, and it's because I disagree with the first one on evidential grounds. I'll see his 21 study meta-analysis, and raise him a 48 study meta-analysis (selected as the best studies out of 22,000 reviewed) done by the Cochrane Collaboration, widely recognized to be the gold standard in…

Yep. I'm exactly the same way. I think there must be a gene for "team identification", so that a person can say: "That's MY team!" even when they aren't playing on it. I entirely lack that gene. I don't care at *all* about watching sports on TV. I'd rather watch paint dry. When my friends plunge into *literal* depression…

It's not quite like that, because if you do it ESE style, you never go a day without eating. You fast from dinner on one day to dinner the next day, usually. Also, I went back a few months and looked at my logs, and my calorie intake was all over the place during this little adventure. Sometimes it was a little over 2000,…

I did previously do 9 weeks worth of a 24 hr fast every other day. I know that sounds like a huge amount of fasting, but if you add it all up (being careful to include the fasting you do on your eating days while sleeping), it averages out to exactly the same amount of fasting as Leangains, just divided up differently. It…

Hey Moby77, Congrats on your first fast! 36 hours is OK, no worries. I do 36 every so often with no issues. As for the calories, that's what I did when I was using IF to lose weight. I set my calorie intake to -2lbs/week and just ate that much between fasts. For me it was in the 1500's range, I think, but I'm a fairly big…

Thanks a bunch, Chris, that makes sense. The BCAA's I use, Scivation Xtend, do dissolve reasonably well, but they also have Citrulline Malate in them, so that explains it I guess.

You can use it for any of those three purposes: gain muscle, lose weight (truly: lose fat), or for the health benefits independent of body composition/weight. If using it for the first, you will eat more than your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE), if for the second, less than TDEE, if for the third, about at your TDEE…

Why is that? :huh:

All we ever hear growing up, and in the fitness world, is that it's terribly unhealthy if we don't eat every few hours. It's a shame, since that isn't based on any actual facts, its just that most people can't deal with hunger. That's what I like best about fasting: I feel like I am in almost complete control of my hunger…

PTC and PROP are two related chemicals, one is a thiourea and the other a thioamide. PTC is not found in any foods at all, but still has been found to correlate to taste preferences, which should indicate to you that our taste buds are not necessarily specific to one chemical or even one class of chemicals to evoke a…

There is probably a physiological reason for that. Some people can taste chemicals in food that other people can't, in much the same way that color vision is variable - i.e. color blindness and (theoretically) tetrachromats. Have you ever done a PTC or PROP taste testing? It's these little sheets of paper impregnated with…

Frankly, my intended audience was all of the people who posted so haughtily about how fasting is the worst idea ever without doing one iota of research about it. I didn't read the OP's diary, because I don't read anyone's MFP diary that isn't my friend, that's none of my business. You seem to think my posting in support of…

I don't recall advising anyone to do anything. I'm not a doctor, and you all are adults. I merely debunked all the fasting misinformation that was being propagated here. It is up to the individual and their doctor or dietitian to decide what is nutritionally appropriate for themselves. If you want to give her advice on how…

Very true. Check out all the damage intermittent fasting has done to the muscles of these poor people: http://www.leangains.com/search/label/Client%20results Don't they just look so weak, sickly and unhealthy? Nasty, I'd never want to look like them. Practically anorexic:…

@MsMousemouse Well, it's not as easy as saying you will or you won't lose your muscles. It's a matter of percentage: how much muscle mass vs how much fat mass was lost as a percentage of the weight you lost? Research has shown that if you do resistance exercise, then you will tip that balance so you will lose less muscle…

Completely agreed. Calories in vs calories out is the major determinant. Edit: Just noticed the full text is available for free on that study. On day 1, REE was 3.97, on day 2 it was 4.37, day 3 was 4.53, and on day 4 was 4.43 (presumably the beginning of the BMR decline of prolonged fasting). The first day 1 measurement…

Exactly, but toning is a confusing word for a lot of people. I prefer "defining." Basically, those exercises will make your six-pack look more impressive once the pond (or lake) is drained some more :bigsmile:

Hey MsMonny, Training fasted means what it sound like: training without having eaten anything in the last 8 or more hours. It's very unlikely that applies to you unless you're doing intermittent fasting, or you just normally work out right after you wake up in the morning before breakfast. If you want to know what IF is,…

Sure thing, Chris. I made a big post on this in the first part of this thread, but I'll go through it some more for new comers. Here is a study showing that BMR (actually RMR but the two are very close) goes up during early fasting, up to 10% by day three of a fast, seemingly mediated by increased catecholamines:…

I use it, but like PB67 said, only when training fasted. Otherwise it's a waste. I know what you mean, though, about it tasting so good I kind of want some even when I'm not about to work out, LOL!

@Chevy88grl - I suspected you would respond that way. Too timid to even try, huh? Shame, you might have learned something about your body. I know you think that's impossible since you know everything about it, but eh. Since your body is such an island among the entire human race, and nothing we know about anyone else…

I looked around a little on Google Scholar and Pubmed and didn't find anything related the question of exactly how many calories will break a fast. I doubt anyone will be able to give you scientific evidence on this. I agree with Pork_belly, the ideal is to keep your calories as close to zero as is possible during a fast.…

I'm not calling you stupid. But you are incorrect to suggest that the only possible explanation for that weight gain is that you "aren't eating enough." PB67 gave a very reasonable alternative explanation: your daily activity which is *not* exercise, including such things as fidgeting, shifting positions, walking from…

The reason we rely on science is that little anecdotes like this have too many variables to tell us much, if anything. 1 week is not enough time to evaluate any diet plan. The fact that you did these two back to back also skews the results, we don't know what holdover effects from the first week might have affected the…

Your body is always catabolizing muscle and rebuilding it. The issue is whether it is catabolizing muscle or fat to a greater extent, and physiologically, your body will always prefer fat to muscle, because burning muscle compromises the function of your body, and your ability to subsequently find food, if you think about…

Proof that starvation mode is utter bull$#!7: http://pdfcast.org/pdf/382-day-fast 276 lbs lost in 382 days (an average of 0.72 lbs/day) while eating nothing but multivitamins, mineral supplements, some yeast, and water or other zero calorie fluids. And he kept it off for 5 years afterward, only regaining 16 lbs. No…

@ Catwrangler No, I haven't seen any research specifically about that age group or gender (and I suppose you are specifically referring to post-menopausal women). I just did a little search and didn't find any relevant studies. Not too surprising, as the interest in researching IF intensively is fairly recent. It will take…

No, not correct. Even if you eat all of your maintenance calories in your 8 hour window on Leangains style IF, you will still be losing fat, because IF works not only by calorie restriction but also by creating a hormonal state favorable to fat burning and muscle conservation. This is how it is possible to gain muscle and…

Those are exactly the kind of guidelines I'm talking about, lol. Check the "Key Points" heading under the link I posted for more examples and schedules and such. By contrast, Brad has essentially no advice whatsoever about diet on feeding days other than the vague "Eat more fruits and vegetables, use spices instead of salt…

Hey Nancy_hc Check out this website: http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html That is one very popular method of going about fasting which is 16/8 daily. Martin Berkhan, the proprietor of that site, has a very good reputation for being science-based, examining new research, that sort of thing. Lots you can…