Intermittent Fasting Support Group?

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  • chrisdavey
    chrisdavey Posts: 9,834 Member
    I am online wanting to order some BCAA tabs. I always order my vitamins, etc... from www.Swansonvitamins.com. Any recommendations?

    How many mg?
    All aminos includitng L-Glutamine? Some only have the 3.
    tabs or powder?
    Brand suggestion or doe sthat matter?

    see http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/378346-omg-powdered-bcaa-s-taste-like-crap-aahhhh

    powder is much better. Tabs I got are 500mg. Martin recommend 10g per serve ie. 20 tablets. Of you can get poweder and have 2 tsbpns. MUCH quicker and easier.

    If it dissolves in water well then they are not good BCAA's. I personally just get a spoonful, put in mouth and then get a big gulp of water, swish it around and down it. That's the easiest way :smile:
  • Alloranx
    Alloranx Posts: 51 Member
    If it dissolves in water well then they are not good BCAA's.

    Why is that? :huh:
  • I am online wanting to order some BCAA tabs. I always order my vitamins, etc... from www.Swansonvitamins.com. Any recommendations?

    How many mg?
    All aminos includitng L-Glutamine? Some only have the 3.
    tabs or powder?
    Brand suggestion or doe sthat matter?

    see http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/378346-omg-powdered-bcaa-s-taste-like-crap-aahhhh

    powder is much better. Tabs I got are 500mg. Martin recommend 10g per serve ie. 20 tablets. Of you can get poweder and have 2 tsbpns. MUCH quicker and easier.

    If it dissolves in water well then they are not good BCAA's. I personally just get a spoonful, put in mouth and then get a big gulp of water, swish it around and down it. That's the easiest way :smile:

    This is what Optimum Nutrition BCAA says:

    Supplement Facts

    Servings Size 2 Capsules

    Servings Per Container 100

    Amount Per Serving

    %Daily Value

    L-Leucine

    500 mg

    *
    L-Isoleucine

    250 mg

    *
    L-Valine

    250 mg

    *

    Other ingredients: Gelatin, microcrystalline cellulose, magnesium stearate.

    Suggested Use: Consume 2 BCAA 1000 Capsules between meals, 30–45 minutes before workouts, and/or immediately after workouts.
  • My second fasted work out went MUCH better. Did body pump with no dramas whatsoever.
    Also went and bought BCAA tabs afterwards so will try taking 2 of those 45 min before my next fasted workout. Cant hurt :)
    Loving eat stop eat and only 1kg to go. Which after Friday night (brownies, pizza, LOTS of alcohol-like 2/3 bottle of wine and 2 vodka and soda's) i will not weigh myself for a few days :)
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    If it dissolves in water well then they are not good BCAA's.

    Why is that? :huh:

    non instantized BCAAs are hydrophobic and float to the top and create a foamy like top to the water, but instantized ones dissolve pretty decently
  • chrisdavey
    chrisdavey Posts: 9,834 Member
    JeanineSchumm: So you would require 20 tablets to get to 10g as suggested.

    Alloranx: my internet is playing up so I'll get back to you. Was what the supplier of my bcaa told me though. Seemed like a trustworthy fella :tongue:
  • Vodkha
    Vodkha Posts: 352 Member
    Fell off the wagon for a few days. Back on. Here is my food intake for tonite totaling 1,035 calories.

    All cooked up together:
    1 cup broccoli
    2 eggs
    tomato
    string cheese

    Later
    1 chicken breast on
    1 grain bun
    tomato
    lettuce

    Even Later (trying to use up leftovers!)
    1 chicken breast on
    1 grain bun
    tomato
    lettuce

    fairly healthy?
  • MsMonny
    MsMonny Posts: 183
    I am just wondering if people use LG to lose weight or use it to when they are lean to bulk up the muscle and to get leaner??

    I am not only seeing LG to lose weight, but to have it as a healthy lifestyle. I have been told that it is mainly used for the latter, not to lose weight.
  • gp79
    gp79 Posts: 1,799 Member
    You can lose weight with any eating schedule. What's going to matter the most is if you are under calorie restriction or a calorie surplus. I've been on LG's 18/6 for about 4 weeks while doing Starting Strength Practical Programming routine and it's been working well. More important to me than anything else is I find it to be convenient for my schedule. My diary is open as well if anyone wants to look.
  • Alloranx
    Alloranx Posts: 51 Member
    I am just wondering if people use LG to lose weight or use it to when they are lean to bulk up the muscle and to get leaner??

    I am not only seeing LG to lose weight, but to have it as a healthy lifestyle. I have been told that it is mainly used for the latter, not to lose weight.

    You can use it for any of those three purposes: gain muscle, lose weight (truly: lose fat), or for the health benefits independent of body composition/weight. If using it for the first, you will eat more than your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE), if for the second, less than TDEE, if for the third, about at your TDEE (though of course, you get the health benefits no matter what your calorie intake is). The TDEE, if you don't know, is what MyFitnessPal would calculate as your goal if you told it you wanted to maintain your weight exactly like it is, for a given level of daily activity, AKA "Maintenance calories".

    Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall Martin saying somewhere or other than Leangains is really intended for people who are already fairly fit and with below average body weight who want to get truly ripped, but that doesn't mean it can't be used effectively by pretty much anybody.

    ESE on the other hand more explicitly bills itself as primarily for weight loss, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily more effective than Leangains for that purpose. ESE can also be used for any of those three goals. It's all in the particulars of how you use these programs.
  • I have noticed since doing ESE I dont feel the need to eat every few hours. I use to feel all irritable and shaky iif I didnt eat every 3-4 hours (3 more likely!) but now I am fine.
    However I also find if I have breakfast I am hungrier throughout the day than if I start eating after lunch.
    Why is that?
  • moby77
    moby77 Posts: 6
    Hi I'm thinking of trying this just looking for advice on how best to start it. Is it best to start with 2 x 24hr fasting a week Also if fasting for 24hrs is there any best time in the day to start ie after breakfast, lunch dinner? Or does it make no difference when you start in the day ? Thanks
  • rileysowner
    rileysowner Posts: 8,313 Member
    Hi I'm thinking of trying this just looking for advice on how best to start it. Is it best to start with 2 x 24hr fasting a week Also if fasting for 24hrs is there any best time in the day to start ie after breakfast, lunch dinner? Or does it make no difference when you start in the day ? Thanks

    I would not start with 2x24 a week. I would start with 1x24 a week then after getting used to that, consider going up to 2x24.

    I find that starting after my supper then fasting 24 hours to the next supper is the easiest as then I am not trying to sleep with an empty stomach, and a large portion of the 24 hours is covered by sleep hours. You may find it is different for you. Try different stretches of time and see what works for you.
  • Hi I'm thinking of trying this just looking for advice on how best to start it. Is it best to start with 2 x 24hr fasting a week Also if fasting for 24hrs is there any best time in the day to start ie after breakfast, lunch dinner? Or does it make no difference when you start in the day ? Thanks

    I would not start with 2x24 a week. I would start with 1x24 a week then after getting used to that, consider going up to 2x24.

    I find that starting after my supper then fasting 24 hours to the next supper is the easiest as then I am not trying to sleep with an empty stomach, and a large portion of the 24 hours is covered by sleep hours. You may find it is different for you. Try different stretches of time and see what works for you.

    I think this would be easiest as well. I am actually doing my first 24 hour fast tonight after dinner. I had a horrible eating weekend and basically want to detox. Then if I can do this might gradually increase to 2x a week.
  • moby77
    moby77 Posts: 6
    Hi I'm thinking of trying this just looking for advice on how best to start it. Is it best to start with 2 x 24hr fasting a week Also if fasting for 24hrs is there any best time in the day to start ie after breakfast, lunch dinner? Or does it make no difference when you start in the day ? Thanks

    I would not start with 2x24 a week. I would start with 1x24 a week then after getting used to that, consider going up to 2x24.

    I find that starting after my supper then fasting 24 hours to the next supper is the easiest as then I am not trying to sleep with an empty stomach, and a large portion of the 24 hours is covered by sleep hours. You may find it is different for you. Try different stretches of time and see what works for you.

    I think this would be easiest as well. I am actually doing my first 24 hour fast tonight after dinner. I had a horrible eating weekend and basically want to detox. Then if I can do this might gradually increase to 2x a week.

    Thank you for replying , will try 1 x24 and see how I go, will start after my evening meal tonight :-) Can you still have tea and coffee with a small bit of skimmed milk?
  • Hi I'm thinking of trying this just looking for advice on how best to start it. Is it best to start with 2 x 24hr fasting a week Also if fasting for 24hrs is there any best time in the day to start ie after breakfast, lunch dinner? Or does it make no difference when you start in the day ? Thanks

    I would not start with 2x24 a week. I would start with 1x24 a week then after getting used to that, consider going up to 2x24.

    I find that starting after my supper then fasting 24 hours to the next supper is the easiest as then I am not trying to sleep with an empty stomach, and a large portion of the 24 hours is covered by sleep hours. You may find it is different for you. Try different stretches of time and see what works for you.

    I think this would be easiest as well. I am actually doing my first 24 hour fast tonight after dinner. I had a horrible eating weekend and basically want to detox. Then if I can do this might gradually increase to 2x a week.

    Thank you for replying , will try 1 x24 and see how I go, will start after my evening meal tonight :-) Can you still have tea and coffee with a small bit of skimmed milk?

    Yes, that's what I love about this. You can have a little bit as long as it is under 40 cals.
  • chrisdavey
    chrisdavey Posts: 9,834 Member
    Hi I'm thinking of trying this just looking for advice on how best to start it. Is it best to start with 2 x 24hr fasting a week Also if fasting for 24hrs is there any best time in the day to start ie after breakfast, lunch dinner? Or does it make no difference when you start in the day ? Thanks

    I would not start with 2x24 a week. I would start with 1x24 a week then after getting used to that, consider going up to 2x24.

    I find that starting after my supper then fasting 24 hours to the next supper is the easiest as then I am not trying to sleep with an empty stomach, and a large portion of the 24 hours is covered by sleep hours. You may find it is different for you. Try different stretches of time and see what works for you.

    I think this would be easiest as well. I am actually doing my first 24 hour fast tonight after dinner. I had a horrible eating weekend and basically want to detox. Then if I can do this might gradually increase to 2x a week.

    Thank you for replying , will try 1 x24 and see how I go, will start after my evening meal tonight :-) Can you still have tea and coffee with a small bit of skimmed milk?

    Yes, that's what I love about this. You can have a little bit as long as it is under 40 cals.

    TOTAL for all your tea & coffees, not per drink. Just in case anyone was mistaken on this :smile:

    re BCAA's. Quote from the guys I get mine from.

    The biggest benefit of BCAA's over straight protein is the fact that free form amino acids are readily absorbed, much more so than those available in protein powders.

    Candy, your commenst about them reducing DOMS is interesting. A nice fast absorbing protein should do this too when well timed, but the fact you have mentioned you benefit from BCAA's more, further supports the theory here that rapid absorption is beneficial.

    So, if you are going to have BCAA's, do not add them to your protein powder, have them seperately. People often ask me if they shoudl add them to their protein, doing this completely negates the largest benefit from them. Protein powders have masses of BCAA's in them anyway.

    The largest issue most people have with BCAA's is due to the leucine content. Leucine (which should make up close to 50% of BCAA's) is non polar by nature. This means that it won't dissolve in water.

    If you get BCAA's that do miraculously dissolve then I'd be very suspicious, there may not be much leucine (and other aminos) in there.

    Given the problem with leucine, BCAA's aren't the most practical to take unless you blend them with other aminos. At Bulk Nutrients we offer a new product - flavoured BCAA's which are quite popular. Thanks to the addition of Citrulline Malate, they end up mixing very well, and Citrulline malate has a double effect of reducing a lot of the bitterness.

    Citrulline Malate is a fantastic ingredient to add as it is assist nitric oxide levels, more so than arginine.
  • Alloranx
    Alloranx Posts: 51 Member
    re BCAA's. Quote from the guys I get mine from.

    The biggest benefit of BCAA's over straight protein is the fact that free form amino acids are readily absorbed, much more so than those available in protein powders.

    Candy, your commenst about them reducing DOMS is interesting. A nice fast absorbing protein should do this too when well timed, but the fact you have mentioned you benefit from BCAA's more, further supports the theory here that rapid absorption is beneficial.

    So, if you are going to have BCAA's, do not add them to your protein powder, have them seperately. People often ask me if they shoudl add them to their protein, doing this completely negates the largest benefit from them. Protein powders have masses of BCAA's in them anyway.

    The largest issue most people have with BCAA's is due to the leucine content. Leucine (which should make up close to 50% of BCAA's) is non polar by nature. This means that it won't dissolve in water.

    If you get BCAA's that do miraculously dissolve then I'd be very suspicious, there may not be much leucine (and other aminos) in there.

    Given the problem with leucine, BCAA's aren't the most practical to take unless you blend them with other aminos. At Bulk Nutrients we offer a new product - flavoured BCAA's which are quite popular. Thanks to the addition of Citrulline Malate, they end up mixing very well, and Citrulline malate has a double effect of reducing a lot of the bitterness.

    Citrulline Malate is a fantastic ingredient to add as it is assist nitric oxide levels, more so than arginine.

    Thanks a bunch, Chris, that makes sense. The BCAA's I use, Scivation Xtend, do dissolve reasonably well, but they also have Citrulline Malate in them, so that explains it I guess.
  • elizabethblake
    elizabethblake Posts: 384 Member
    Hi everyone! I'm going to give this IF thing a try, using the LG method. I've read all the posts on both threads and think I have a handle on it, but still have a couple of questions. Forgive me if I've missed the answers to these questions, there were a lot of posts to read!

    1. Martin suggests eating 80% of your daily calories post-workout. On a 1400 calories/day, that's over 1100 calories. I don't think I can manage that - that's a lot of food. Does anyone take a more equal approach to spreading your calories throughout the eating period? I'm planning to have a frozen strawberries/protein powder shake pre-workout (15% of daily calories) and I'd like to split my remaining calories between the post-workout meal and last meal of the day, and save another 15% for an evening snack. See any problems with this?

    2. Do you strictly adhere to eating three meals/day, or do you still have some snacks? I'm looking at an eating window of 11 a.m. to 9 p.m., but I prefer to have my last meal of the day around 7. Am I messing anything up by having a snack at 8:30 p.m.?

    3. Has this way of eating allowed anyone to lose fat who WASN'T already fairly lean? I need to lose probably 20 lbs. of body fat. I'm lifting heavy 3x week (following the New Rules of Lifting for Women program) and doing cardio intervals at least one other day/week, preferably two. My diet is pretty good - I eat moderate carbs and try to get 1g. protein per body weight each day, but I'm usually a bit short. I'm making a renewed effort to up my protein intake, starting today.

    Thanks in advance for any advice you can give!
  • Timdog57
    Timdog57 Posts: 102 Member
    Hi everyone! I'm going to give this IF thing a try, using the LG method. I've read all the posts on both threads and think I have a handle on it, but still have a couple of questions. Forgive me if I've missed the answers to these questions, there were a lot of posts to read!

    1. Martin suggests eating 80% of your daily calories post-workout. On a 1400 calories/day, that's over 1100 calories. I don't think I can manage that - that's a lot of food. Does anyone take a more equal approach to spreading your calories throughout the eating period? I'm planning to have a frozen strawberries/protein powder shake pre-workout (15% of daily calories) and I'd like to split my remaining calories between the post-workout meal and last meal of the day, and save another 15% for an evening snack. See any problems with this?

    2. Do you strictly adhere to eating three meals/day, or do you still have some snacks? I'm looking at an eating window of 11 a.m. to 9 p.m., but I prefer to have my last meal of the day around 7. Am I messing anything up by having a snack at 8:30 p.m.?

    3. Has this way of eating allowed anyone to lose fat who WASN'T already fairly lean? I need to lose probably 20 lbs. of body fat. I'm lifting heavy 3x week (following the New Rules of Lifting for Women program) and doing cardio intervals at least one other day/week, preferably two. My diet is pretty good - I eat moderate carbs and try to get 1g. protein per body weight each day, but I'm usually a bit short. I'm making a renewed effort to up my protein intake, starting today.

    Thanks in advance for any advice you can give!

    1. I think that adjusting the % of calories in your post workout meals wouldn't be a big deal. As far as I know there's nothing magical about those %'s. As long as the bulk of your calories comes post workout, it doesn't really matter how many meals or what the specific %'s of those are.

    2. Similarly, the 3 meals a day thing isn't magical. The important pieces here are the fasting window, and the bulk of calories being consumed post-workout. If you are getting to those ends with some snacks, I don't think it matters much.

    3. I have lost a fair bit of fat using the LG approach, and I still have a fair bit to lose. The success at fat lose will again mainly be driven by your caloric deficit.