Intermittent Fasting Support Group?

chrisdavey

how I know my ghrelin has well and truly reset to this schedule: not hungry until 1-2ish each day. Mega hungry at about 9pm even after a decent dinner Housemates must think I'm such a piggy eating the amount I do at night hehe.

MsMonny

@Chris - that is so funny! i can just imagine them thinking how the hell does he stay so lean when he pigs out at this time of the night?? LOL

Well, I couldn't help myself and asked a trainer, whilst doing my weights session, if he was open minded. He obviously said yes and then I asked him if he knew about IF. I thought I would see smoke coming out of his ears and expecting him to bash it BUT he calmly said he did and the Chinese had been doing it for years because they believe that digestion takes up energy and something to do with the Qi. Well, I was a bit taken aback and I had a little chat to him about this. Very little chat as I had to concentrate on what I was doing!! LOL He said he sometimes does miss breakfast more by accident then on purpose and likes to see how far he can push his hunger. He is into body building, so I gave him the website to LG.

Now, I would NEVER have thought someone who works in the fitness industry to actually believe in this, considering it isn't the normal way of eating that they tell you about.

Makes me that little bit happier in doing this (not that his approval made it a yes or a no).

Bring it on!!

MsMonny

Sorry, I was meant to say thanks to the people replying to my post about PMT hunger. I am really happy to know that it is do-able. I can't wait to see what happens when it hits me. I think I might start this AFTER that TOM as I will have more energy and be able to go for longer without food.

FaithHopeBELIEVE

@Chris - that is so funny! i can just imagine them thinking how the hell does he stay so lean when he pigs out at this time of the night?? LOL

Well, I couldn't help myself and asked a trainer, whilst doing my weights session, if he was open minded. He obviously said yes and then I asked him if he knew about IF. I thought I would see smoke coming out of his ears and expecting him to bash it BUT he calmly said he did and the Chinese had been doing it for years because they believe that digestion takes up energy and something to do with the Qi. Well, I was a bit taken aback and I had a little chat to him about this. Very little chat as I had to concentrate on what I was doing!! LOL He said he sometimes does miss breakfast more by accident then on purpose and likes to see how far he can push his hunger. He is into body building, so I gave him the website to LG.

Now, I would NEVER have thought someone who works in the fitness industry to actually believe in this, considering it isn't the normal way of eating that they tell you about.

Makes me that little bit happier in doing this (not that his approval made it a yes or a no).

Bring it on!!

Thankyou for posting this! SO nice to hear it's getting out there. I know my PT would probably smack me...lol.

4theking

@Chris - that is so funny! i can just imagine them thinking how the hell does he stay so lean when he pigs out at this time of the night?? LOL

Well, I couldn't help myself and asked a trainer, whilst doing my weights session, if he was open minded. He obviously said yes and then I asked him if he knew about IF. I thought I would see smoke coming out of his ears and expecting him to bash it BUT he calmly said he did and the Chinese had been doing it for years because they believe that digestion takes up energy and something to do with the Qi. Well, I was a bit taken aback and I had a little chat to him about this. Very little chat as I had to concentrate on what I was doing!! LOL He said he sometimes does miss breakfast more by accident then on purpose and likes to see how far he can push his hunger. He is into body building, so I gave him the website to LG.

Now, I would NEVER have thought someone who works in the fitness industry to actually believe in this, considering it isn't the normal way of eating that they tell you about.

Makes me that little bit happier in doing this (not that his approval made it a yes or a no).

Bring it on!!

My gym has things posted on the wall like how important it is to eat every three hours, skipping breakfast is horrible and diet soda makes you fat. I pretty much go against everything they believe in there and honestly don't like the environment much. Funny thing is , I am in better shape than the trainers there that preach this stuff.

FaithHopeBELIEVE

@Chris - that is so funny! i can just imagine them thinking how the hell does he stay so lean when he pigs out at this time of the night?? LOL

Well, I couldn't help myself and asked a trainer, whilst doing my weights session, if he was open minded. He obviously said yes and then I asked him if he knew about IF. I thought I would see smoke coming out of his ears and expecting him to bash it BUT he calmly said he did and the Chinese had been doing it for years because they believe that digestion takes up energy and something to do with the Qi. Well, I was a bit taken aback and I had a little chat to him about this. Very little chat as I had to concentrate on what I was doing!! LOL He said he sometimes does miss breakfast more by accident then on purpose and likes to see how far he can push his hunger. He is into body building, so I gave him the website to LG.

Now, I would NEVER have thought someone who works in the fitness industry to actually believe in this, considering it isn't the normal way of eating that they tell you about.

Makes me that little bit happier in doing this (not that his approval made it a yes or a no).

Bring it on!!

My gym has things posted on the wall like how important it is to eat every three hours, skipping breakfast is horrible and diet soda makes you fat. I pretty much go against everything they believe in there and honestly don't like the environment much. Funny thing is , I am in better shape than the trainers there that preach this stuff.

:happy: :drinker:

catwrangler

Thought I'd post an update on how I'm doing.

I had jury duty the last 2 days and paid NO attention to my diet and made bad choices.

Today was my first day back on IF and the morning went great, no light head, no fuzzy brain. I started eating at 11:30 am and just finished now at 8 pm. I have my calories set at 1660 and I have 226 left over today and I am not hungry!

This is HUGE because I NEVER ever have calories left over, as a matter of fact I usually eat a little over calories every day! If this keeps up I might lower my calorie goal a little.

I'm very pleased with IF so far. Such a simple thing yet so effective. Why oh why didn't I think of this myself and SOONER?

Going4Lean

I will admit I did not read every single thing posted and i am not sure my question was answered already.
Is it necessary to fasten every day or is there a limit of days one should fast?

chrisdavey

ese: not every day!

leangains: everyday is fine.

FaithHopeBELIEVE

Thought I'd post an update on how I'm doing.

I had jury duty the last 2 days and paid NO attention to my diet and made bad choices.

Today was my first day back on IF and the morning went great, no light head, no fuzzy brain. I started eating at 11:30 am and just finished now at 8 pm. I have my calories set at 1660 and I have 226 left over today and I am not hungry!

This is HUGE because I NEVER ever have calories left over, as a matter of fact I usually eat a little over calories every day! If this keeps up I might lower my calorie goal a little.

I'm very pleased with IF so far. Such a simple thing yet so effective. Why oh why didn't I think of this myself and SOONER?

Yay! So happy for you!

Alloranx

I'm very pleased with IF so far. Such a simple thing yet so effective. Why oh why didn't I think of this myself and SOONER?

All we ever hear growing up, and in the fitness world, is that it's terribly unhealthy if we don't eat every few hours. It's a shame, since that isn't based on any actual facts, its just that most people can't deal with hunger. That's what I like best about fasting: I feel like I am in almost complete control of my hunger now. I am the boss of my stomach and not the other way around. I think it's that confidence that will allow me to keep myself from ever getting overweight again.

FaithHopeBELIEVE

I am online wanting to order some BCAA tabs. I always order my vitamins, etc... from www.Swansonvitamins.com. Any recommendations?

How many mg?
All aminos includitng L-Glutamine? Some only have the 3.
tabs or powder?
Brand suggestion or doe sthat matter?

chrisdavey

I am online wanting to order some BCAA tabs. I always order my vitamins, etc... from www.Swansonvitamins.com. Any recommendations?

How many mg?
All aminos includitng L-Glutamine? Some only have the 3.
tabs or powder?
Brand suggestion or doe sthat matter?

see http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/378346-omg-powdered-bcaa-s-taste-like-crap-aahhhh

powder is much better. Tabs I got are 500mg. Martin recommend 10g per serve ie. 20 tablets. Of you can get poweder and have 2 tsbpns. MUCH quicker and easier.

If it dissolves in water well then they are not good BCAA's. I personally just get a spoonful, put in mouth and then get a big gulp of water, swish it around and down it. That's the easiest way

Alloranx

If it dissolves in water well then they are not good BCAA's.

Why is that? :huh:

FaithHopeBELIEVE

I am online wanting to order some BCAA tabs. I always order my vitamins, etc... from www.Swansonvitamins.com. Any recommendations?

How many mg?
All aminos includitng L-Glutamine? Some only have the 3.
tabs or powder?
Brand suggestion or doe sthat matter?

see http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/378346-omg-powdered-bcaa-s-taste-like-crap-aahhhh

powder is much better. Tabs I got are 500mg. Martin recommend 10g per serve ie. 20 tablets. Of you can get poweder and have 2 tsbpns. MUCH quicker and easier.

If it dissolves in water well then they are not good BCAA's. I personally just get a spoonful, put in mouth and then get a big gulp of water, swish it around and down it. That's the easiest way

This is what Optimum Nutrition BCAA says:

Supplement Facts

Servings Size 2 Capsules

Servings Per Container 100

Amount Per Serving

%Daily Value

L-Leucine

500 mg

*
L-Isoleucine

250 mg

*
L-Valine

250 mg

*

Other ingredients: Gelatin, microcrystalline cellulose, magnesium stearate.

Suggested Use: Consume 2 BCAA 1000 Capsules between meals, 30–45 minutes before workouts, and/or immediately after workouts.

Bluestar083

My second fasted work out went MUCH better. Did body pump with no dramas whatsoever.
Also went and bought BCAA tabs afterwards so will try taking 2 of those 45 min before my next fasted workout. Cant hurt
Loving eat stop eat and only 1kg to go. Which after Friday night (brownies, pizza, LOTS of alcohol-like 2/3 bottle of wine and 2 vodka and soda's) i will not weigh myself for a few days

Acg67

If it dissolves in water well then they are not good BCAA's.

Why is that? :huh:

non instantized BCAAs are hydrophobic and float to the top and create a foamy like top to the water, but instantized ones dissolve pretty decently

chrisdavey

JeanineSchumm: So you would require 20 tablets to get to 10g as suggested.

Alloranx: my internet is playing up so I'll get back to you. Was what the supplier of my bcaa told me though. Seemed like a trustworthy fella

Vodkha

Fell off the wagon for a few days. Back on. Here is my food intake for tonite totaling 1,035 calories.

All cooked up together:
1 cup broccoli
2 eggs
tomato
string cheese

Later
1 chicken breast on
1 grain bun
tomato
lettuce

Even Later (trying to use up leftovers!)
1 chicken breast on
1 grain bun
tomato
lettuce

fairly healthy?

MsMonny

I am just wondering if people use LG to lose weight or use it to when they are lean to bulk up the muscle and to get leaner??

I am not only seeing LG to lose weight, but to have it as a healthy lifestyle. I have been told that it is mainly used for the latter, not to lose weight.

gp79

You can lose weight with any eating schedule. What's going to matter the most is if you are under calorie restriction or a calorie surplus. I've been on LG's 18/6 for about 4 weeks while doing Starting Strength Practical Programming routine and it's been working well. More important to me than anything else is I find it to be convenient for my schedule. My diary is open as well if anyone wants to look.

Alloranx

I am just wondering if people use LG to lose weight or use it to when they are lean to bulk up the muscle and to get leaner??

I am not only seeing LG to lose weight, but to have it as a healthy lifestyle. I have been told that it is mainly used for the latter, not to lose weight.

You can use it for any of those three purposes: gain muscle, lose weight (truly: lose fat), or for the health benefits independent of body composition/weight. If using it for the first, you will eat more than your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE), if for the second, less than TDEE, if for the third, about at your TDEE (though of course, you get the health benefits no matter what your calorie intake is). The TDEE, if you don't know, is what MyFitnessPal would calculate as your goal if you told it you wanted to maintain your weight exactly like it is, for a given level of daily activity, AKA "Maintenance calories".

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall Martin saying somewhere or other than Leangains is really intended for people who are already fairly fit and with below average body weight who want to get truly ripped, but that doesn't mean it can't be used effectively by pretty much anybody.

ESE on the other hand more explicitly bills itself as primarily for weight loss, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily more effective than Leangains for that purpose. ESE can also be used for any of those three goals. It's all in the particulars of how you use these programs.

Bluestar083

I have noticed since doing ESE I dont feel the need to eat every few hours. I use to feel all irritable and shaky iif I didnt eat every 3-4 hours (3 more likely!) but now I am fine.
However I also find if I have breakfast I am hungrier throughout the day than if I start eating after lunch.
Why is that?

moby77

Hi I'm thinking of trying this just looking for advice on how best to start it. Is it best to start with 2 x 24hr fasting a week Also if fasting for 24hrs is there any best time in the day to start ie after breakfast, lunch dinner? Or does it make no difference when you start in the day ? Thanks

rileysowner

Hi I'm thinking of trying this just looking for advice on how best to start it. Is it best to start with 2 x 24hr fasting a week Also if fasting for 24hrs is there any best time in the day to start ie after breakfast, lunch dinner? Or does it make no difference when you start in the day ? Thanks

I would not start with 2x24 a week. I would start with 1x24 a week then after getting used to that, consider going up to 2x24.

I find that starting after my supper then fasting 24 hours to the next supper is the easiest as then I am not trying to sleep with an empty stomach, and a large portion of the 24 hours is covered by sleep hours. You may find it is different for you. Try different stretches of time and see what works for you.

FaithHopeBELIEVE

Hi I'm thinking of trying this just looking for advice on how best to start it. Is it best to start with 2 x 24hr fasting a week Also if fasting for 24hrs is there any best time in the day to start ie after breakfast, lunch dinner? Or does it make no difference when you start in the day ? Thanks

I would not start with 2x24 a week. I would start with 1x24 a week then after getting used to that, consider going up to 2x24.

I find that starting after my supper then fasting 24 hours to the next supper is the easiest as then I am not trying to sleep with an empty stomach, and a large portion of the 24 hours is covered by sleep hours. You may find it is different for you. Try different stretches of time and see what works for you.

I think this would be easiest as well. I am actually doing my first 24 hour fast tonight after dinner. I had a horrible eating weekend and basically want to detox. Then if I can do this might gradually increase to 2x a week.

moby77

Hi I'm thinking of trying this just looking for advice on how best to start it. Is it best to start with 2 x 24hr fasting a week Also if fasting for 24hrs is there any best time in the day to start ie after breakfast, lunch dinner? Or does it make no difference when you start in the day ? Thanks

I would not start with 2x24 a week. I would start with 1x24 a week then after getting used to that, consider going up to 2x24.

I find that starting after my supper then fasting 24 hours to the next supper is the easiest as then I am not trying to sleep with an empty stomach, and a large portion of the 24 hours is covered by sleep hours. You may find it is different for you. Try different stretches of time and see what works for you.

I think this would be easiest as well. I am actually doing my first 24 hour fast tonight after dinner. I had a horrible eating weekend and basically want to detox. Then if I can do this might gradually increase to 2x a week.

Thank you for replying , will try 1 x24 and see how I go, will start after my evening meal tonight :-) Can you still have tea and coffee with a small bit of skimmed milk?

FaithHopeBELIEVE

Hi I'm thinking of trying this just looking for advice on how best to start it. Is it best to start with 2 x 24hr fasting a week Also if fasting for 24hrs is there any best time in the day to start ie after breakfast, lunch dinner? Or does it make no difference when you start in the day ? Thanks

I would not start with 2x24 a week. I would start with 1x24 a week then after getting used to that, consider going up to 2x24.

I find that starting after my supper then fasting 24 hours to the next supper is the easiest as then I am not trying to sleep with an empty stomach, and a large portion of the 24 hours is covered by sleep hours. You may find it is different for you. Try different stretches of time and see what works for you.

I think this would be easiest as well. I am actually doing my first 24 hour fast tonight after dinner. I had a horrible eating weekend and basically want to detox. Then if I can do this might gradually increase to 2x a week.

Thank you for replying , will try 1 x24 and see how I go, will start after my evening meal tonight :-) Can you still have tea and coffee with a small bit of skimmed milk?

Yes, that's what I love about this. You can have a little bit as long as it is under 40 cals.

chrisdavey

Hi I'm thinking of trying this just looking for advice on how best to start it. Is it best to start with 2 x 24hr fasting a week Also if fasting for 24hrs is there any best time in the day to start ie after breakfast, lunch dinner? Or does it make no difference when you start in the day ? Thanks

I would not start with 2x24 a week. I would start with 1x24 a week then after getting used to that, consider going up to 2x24.

I find that starting after my supper then fasting 24 hours to the next supper is the easiest as then I am not trying to sleep with an empty stomach, and a large portion of the 24 hours is covered by sleep hours. You may find it is different for you. Try different stretches of time and see what works for you.

I think this would be easiest as well. I am actually doing my first 24 hour fast tonight after dinner. I had a horrible eating weekend and basically want to detox. Then if I can do this might gradually increase to 2x a week.

Thank you for replying , will try 1 x24 and see how I go, will start after my evening meal tonight :-) Can you still have tea and coffee with a small bit of skimmed milk?

Yes, that's what I love about this. You can have a little bit as long as it is under 40 cals.

TOTAL for all your tea & coffees, not per drink. Just in case anyone was mistaken on this

re BCAA's. Quote from the guys I get mine from.

The biggest benefit of BCAA's over straight protein is the fact that free form amino acids are readily absorbed, much more so than those available in protein powders.

Candy, your commenst about them reducing DOMS is interesting. A nice fast absorbing protein should do this too when well timed, but the fact you have mentioned you benefit from BCAA's more, further supports the theory here that rapid absorption is beneficial.

So, if you are going to have BCAA's, do not add them to your protein powder, have them seperately. People often ask me if they shoudl add them to their protein, doing this completely negates the largest benefit from them. Protein powders have masses of BCAA's in them anyway.

The largest issue most people have with BCAA's is due to the leucine content. Leucine (which should make up close to 50% of BCAA's) is non polar by nature. This means that it won't dissolve in water.

If you get BCAA's that do miraculously dissolve then I'd be very suspicious, there may not be much leucine (and other aminos) in there.

Given the problem with leucine, BCAA's aren't the most practical to take unless you blend them with other aminos. At Bulk Nutrients we offer a new product - flavoured BCAA's which are quite popular. Thanks to the addition of Citrulline Malate, they end up mixing very well, and Citrulline malate has a double effect of reducing a lot of the bitterness.

Citrulline Malate is a fantastic ingredient to add as it is assist nitric oxide levels, more so than arginine.

Alloranx

re BCAA's. Quote from the guys I get mine from.

The biggest benefit of BCAA's over straight protein is the fact that free form amino acids are readily absorbed, much more so than those available in protein powders.

Candy, your commenst about them reducing DOMS is interesting. A nice fast absorbing protein should do this too when well timed, but the fact you have mentioned you benefit from BCAA's more, further supports the theory here that rapid absorption is beneficial.

So, if you are going to have BCAA's, do not add them to your protein powder, have them seperately. People often ask me if they shoudl add them to their protein, doing this completely negates the largest benefit from them. Protein powders have masses of BCAA's in them anyway.

The largest issue most people have with BCAA's is due to the leucine content. Leucine (which should make up close to 50% of BCAA's) is non polar by nature. This means that it won't dissolve in water.

If you get BCAA's that do miraculously dissolve then I'd be very suspicious, there may not be much leucine (and other aminos) in there.

Given the problem with leucine, BCAA's aren't the most practical to take unless you blend them with other aminos. At Bulk Nutrients we offer a new product - flavoured BCAA's which are quite popular. Thanks to the addition of Citrulline Malate, they end up mixing very well, and Citrulline malate has a double effect of reducing a lot of the bitterness.

Citrulline Malate is a fantastic ingredient to add as it is assist nitric oxide levels, more so than arginine.

Thanks a bunch, Chris, that makes sense. The BCAA's I use, Scivation Xtend, do dissolve reasonably well, but they also have Citrulline Malate in them, so that explains it I guess.