Keto questions
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KeithF6250 wrote: »OK I know it's been a long day for me but where did they get the "perfect humans" to eat?
Same place they always find perfect humans, they start by looking at me and they compared others until they found a match.
Edit: And no one get any crazy ideas, I'm not healthy. I'm totally high in cholesterol. Wait, darn, that won't work with this group. Stay back, I have a sharp steak knife!0 -
KeithF6250 wrote: »OK I know it's been a long day for me but where did they get the "perfect humans" to eat?
Thanks for the giggle!
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LOL
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I think even when we ate vegetation that we probably at least ate bugs or something moving with protein.
New question: Quest bars. I'm craving something sweet. Should I risk all the sugar alcohols and questionable fiber source to have something sweet if I've gotta have something?0 -
I think even when we ate vegetation that we probably at least ate bugs or something moving with protein.
New question: Quest bars. I'm craving something sweet. Should I risk all the sugar alcohols and questionable fiber source to have something sweet if I've gotta have something?
I found quest bars made me have more sweet cravings. I seemed to be able to handle half or a third of one... I would've liked more but I could resist.
I get my "sweet tooth" satisfied with carb master yogurt and some 86% dark chocolate shaved onto it or just coffee with cream and sugar free syrup. Though, I can't overdo that sweetener either... Just the taste of sweetness turns my cravings on.0 -
New question: Quest bars. I'm craving something sweet. Should I risk all the sugar alcohols and questionable fiber source to have something sweet if I've gotta have something?
YMMV. Try them, definitely. Check your blood sugar after if you have the tools to do so. Many keto'ers loooooove Quest bars. They do taste good. But my blood sugar spokes on them more than on foods I make myself. So I just stay away. It shouldn't hurt to try.0 -
I think even when we ate vegetation that we probably at least ate bugs or something moving with protein.
New question: Quest bars. I'm craving something sweet. Should I risk all the sugar alcohols and questionable fiber source to have something sweet if I've gotta have something?
Just have really dark chocolate eg 85-90%. I used not to eat these as too dark in my carb eating days, but after months of low carb, I now find them really sweet. So I would eat that as having some health benefits, great taste, and not much that's bad in them.
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I think even when we ate vegetation that we probably at least ate bugs or something moving with protein.
New question: Quest bars. I'm craving something sweet. Should I risk all the sugar alcohols and questionable fiber source to have something sweet if I've gotta have something?
I've been known to eat 2 or 3 at a time, so now I tend to avoid them.
Artificial sweeteners are a definite trigger food for me, but for some people they're a good way to get some extra protein in their diet. 0 -
Ok
This is a wee bit off topic
What about dextrose?
I get lots of that in electrolyte packs.Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »I think even when we ate vegetation that we probably at least ate bugs or something moving with protein.
New question: Quest bars. I'm craving something sweet. Should I risk all the sugar alcohols and questionable fiber source to have something sweet if I've gotta have something?
I found quest bars made me have more sweet cravings. I seemed to be able to handle half or a third of one... I would've liked more but I could resist.
I get my "sweet tooth" satisfied with carb master yogurt and some 86% dark chocolate shaved onto it or just coffee with cream and sugar free syrup. Though, I can't overdo that sweetener either... Just the taste of sweetness turns my cravings on.
That is my experience with them. I eat them right before exercise, or perish the though... An actual Snickers bar 250 calorie size. Seems that burning it up within half an hour of eating it does not cause me any issues
For lunch having a Quest? Just makes me hungry!
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Avoiding dextrose because that is the fastest carb to reach your bloodstream or something like that (it's the sugar recommended for weight lifting and first thing in the morning if you're weight lifting etc) and I'm trying to get into keto. I did see it in electrolyte stuff as well - I was able to find alternatives that didn't include it. Same thing with maltodextrin, from what I understand that's just undercover sugar...?
Ohh yeah I remember reading about quest bars actually raising blood sugar for diabetics and it possibly being related to the shady fiber source...or something...maybe I will just stay away. Tbh I have no desire to check my blood sugar unless that will help me know if I'm in ketosis. But I've never had an official blood sugar issue. If a food raises blood glucose for a significant amount of people then I'd rather just stay away from it if I risk going out of ketosis because of it. Quest bars have like 20 g carbs but it's like 3 g net carbs supposedly.0 -
If I don't work out I avoid all that fake sugar and near sugar stuff
Yesterday was an intense cardio day so I had some to keep at max effort level to get a good fast ride time
For this ride I had 300 calories of straight up sugar. It was an all out effort kind of ride
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Okay , Today starts day 4 for me on low Carbs. I seem to be able to get down to around 25 carbs a day. Is that okay to start ketosis ? I am starting to feel better.0
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KittensMaster wrote: »If I don't work out I avoid all that fake sugar and near sugar stuff
Yesterday was an intense cardio day so I had some to keep at max effort level to get a good fast ride time
For this ride I had 300 calories of straight up sugar. It was an all out effort kind of ride
Ah, ok. Yeah I am not working out right now. I will soon, thinking I will just have a few more berries or something like that before the workout instead of processed stuff though. Buuuut I think my plan is to return to more intense weight lifting in a month or two and at that point may do some carb loading around the workout, so will likely include dextrose then. And then return to LCHF for the rest of the day. So for you it may be good to have dextrose and that stuff.0 -
@rckk18, it's a great start! Hope you continue to feel well and the keto flu doesn't hit too hard for you. Check out the Launch Pad at the top of the group forum for information to help with the transition to becoming a fat burning machine!
@KittensMaster, wow, that's a ride! Wtg!
@monikker, I agree with the general consensus about the quest bars. I didn't do any sweets for about five months, but now I have been having just a bit of dark chocolate, just twice this week. It's satisfied a taste for something sweet, for me, but won't be a regular thing. I've had to make myself resist it because my brain wants to keep reminding me it's there (stimulated cravings for chocolate? Yea, probably). That's why it won't be a regular thing for me.0 -
HI, I count total carbs using myfitnesspal, I keep it below 25 a day were possible and I am In Ketosis (2).0
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Very likely that you are @ElmerLourens!0
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Put half a packet of "truvia" stevia in my bulletproof coffee and it makes it taste like poopy crap. The aftertaste is so nasty. Anyone just get used to that over time? I'm going to drink it slowly so I don't throw up or get a stomachache hopefully0
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It's already a little more tolerable after drinking it for a bit
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Okay , Today starts day 4 for me on low Carbs. I seem to be able to get down to around 25 carbs a day. Is that okay to start ketosis ? I am starting to feel better.
25 is great and yes you should absolutely get into ketosis and stay there if you stick with that amount (as long as you are also following the "high fat" part of LCHF of course. All protein and no fat would mess things up)0 -
25 or below is my magic level, any more & I'm out of ketosis.
And stevia i tried for mañy weeks & cant get past the aftertaste. I have now dropped coffee totally instead (&actually feel better for it).
Have now shed 20kg (44lb) in 15 weeks so it is all worth it & I'm not hungry and no longer craving sweet foods.0 -
1) Net carbs or full carb count needs to be under 25? I find this one boggling, like how do you know that you're not throwing yourself out of keto if you count net carbs.
2) Fiber? I assume by counting net carbs you will get enough fiber, but if not counting net carbs I'm wondering if that would cause any issue. I'm not worried about not being able to poop (coffee makes me do that), just overall being healthy. I wonder if we have evolved to need fiber...?
3) Avoiding plant-based foods apart from sugary fruits seems counter-intuitive to me.
1. 25 net carbs is an excellent goal IMO. I started at 20 net but when I'm keto adapted in do around 40-50 and still stay in heavy ketosis with weight loss and good blood sugar control.
2. I do not delete sugar alcohols. Reason one, I want to discourage myself from eating what I consider fake food, and number two, they impact my blood sugar in a bad way. I only delete fiber because like you, I want to get a lot of fiber. I'm older, and my body needs it and I think it's a good thing. My goal is 25g but I'm usually around 16g.
3. I found when I was not deleting fiber, my veggie intake was stifled. That's another reason I delete fiber carbs from my net count. I believe veggies are good for you, and I eat a wide range of them as possible. I used to eat a giant salad every day for lunch which is a habit I need to get back into.0 -
More questions...I remember reading about coffee affecting blood sugar. Do all of you doing keto still drink coffee? Has it affected your keto status?
How long did it take you to stop missing or craving bread, grains, sweets?
More answers (my opinion of course).
1. I'm finally back to coffee! After a bout of gastritis and surgery recovery that caused nausea I am so excited!! Lol. I drink a cup of coffee every am (or a cup of chai tea made with a teabag) with a large dose of HWC and a half a pkt of Splenda. Doesn't seem to affect my blood sugar or ketosis is a negative way. Been doing this for about a year.
2. The strong cravings it usually takes a week back in. The seeing a steaming hot loaf of bread being broken on TV and the thought, "I want that!" never has gone away for me. I deal with it two ways. First of all, I try to make substitutes available, and secondly, I plan a monthly cheat meal (not a day) and promise it to myself later. Sometimes I still want it later, sometimes I don't, but one meal of high carbs is worth a month of LCHF to me. I plan those meals around holidays or birthday/anniversaries. Works for me.0 -
On the Quest bars, they recently changed their recipe from the fiber source that was causing blood sugar issues to corn soluble fiber. I couldn't tell you if this is better or not on blood sugar, just that the new formula tastes to me like paper and makes the bars really dry and chewy? The only ones I can tolerate are the double chocolate and the cookies and cream, but I don't eat them that often. When I really want something sweet, I just eat dark chocolate square or make a sugar free something another with Swerve.
I don't like Stevia. The aftertaste is yuck to me and I never adapted to it, but YMMV. Right now I prefer liquid sucralose or swerve (erythritol), and neither affect my blood sugar or cause me to want sweets, but once again YMMV. 0 -
I'd be interested to see fiber intake from evolutionary point of view, since previous Homo- species used to eat nothing but vegetation. That was back when we were hairy though.
Another line of evidence for the diet of H. habilis comes from some of the earliest cut- and percussion-marked bones, found back to 2.6 million years ago. Scientists usually associate these traces of butchery of large animals, direct evidence of meat and marrow eating, with the earliest appearance of the genus Homo, including H. habilis.
Homo erectus (which goes back almost 1 to 2 million years into our past) was well known for cracking open bones and eating out the marrow and scavenging animal foods. Stone tools also suggest that they used stones to cut meat.
Homo neanderthalensis (130k to 350k years into our past) are well recognized for their hunting and the amount of evidence left of their meat consumption.
Homo sapiens (190k years to present) are also well known for being hunter gatherers.
There's no evidence that the genus Homo ever ate "nothing but vegetation." Even if we go back further to Australopithecus africanus (which is 1.2 to 4 million years back), we find that there is evidence that they were opportunistic hunters and animal protein made up a small but recognized part of their diet.
In short, we've never been natural vegetarians/vegans. It's a commonly held belief that is pushed by the vegetarian side. If you want more information, I recommend the movie "The Perfect Human Diet" which can be streamed for free online. I'm not saying that everyone needs to go full carnivore, but there's a place for meat in a healthy human diet.
I actually saw that movie a while back, it was good. The production value could have been a bit higher, and the tone was a little too professorial for me but good info regardless. Note though, that I've not made any argument against eating meat. I am fully aware of the important role eating meat has played in our evolution. The information I was casually referencing was actually from "The Story of the Human Body: Evolution, Health and Disease" by Daniel Lieberman. I don't have the book handy to pull out the exact info I half-remember, but it had to do with Australopithecus apes. Here is a link to a super good academic source that says I'm right! :P So yeah, I do think our distant ancestors ate fruit/vegetation, but our relatively more modern ones have hunted, hence us.0 -
That site also notes that they consumed animal protein as was discovered in the 90s. It's actually one I have read before. The amount of animal protein in their diet may have been small, but it was likely not zero. More importantly, the genus Homo is strongly associated with animal butchery and meat consumption. It's not that you're advocating against animal protein (I didn't feel like you were), it's just that the idea that our ancient ancestors (of the genus Homo) were ever vegetarians is commonly asserted by vegetarians but unsupported by science. We are not vegetarians turned omnivore, at least not when you limit the scope to creatures we'd recognize as human. Ancient humans were very likely omnivores from the start, with a varying amount of plant matter in their regular diet.0
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More questions:
-I've read that the state of ketosis can be induced in 2-3 days or can take up to 8 weeks to be fully keto-adapted...why such a big difference? Can you be in ketosis without being "fully keto-adapted?"
-Do I need to continue mass consumption of electrolytes (e.g. chicken broth, powerade zero etc.) the entire time I'm planning to consume a keto diet or only when I'm converting to keto at the beginning (first few days, first 8 weeks, etc...)?
-If at some point later I begin lifting weights again and decide to consume sugars before, during & after lifting but then proceed with regular keto diet the rest of the time - maybe 3 days a week, will I likely go in and out of ketosis, or will I just go out of keto for the most part since I'm regularly getting a good dose of sugars?0 -
More questions:
-I've read that the state of ketosis can be induced in 2-3 days or can take up to 8 weeks to be fully keto-adapted...why such a big difference? Can you be in ketosis without being "fully keto-adapted?"
-Do I need to continue mass consumption of electrolytes (e.g. chicken broth, powerade zero etc.) the entire time I'm planning to consume a keto diet or only when I'm converting to keto at the beginning (first few days, first 8 weeks, etc...)?
-If at some point later I begin lifting weights again and decide to consume sugars before, during & after lifting but then proceed with regular keto diet the rest of the time - maybe 3 days a week, will I likely go in and out of ketosis, or will I just go out of keto for the most part since I'm regularly getting a good dose of sugars?
#1 Yes, you can be in ketosis, but not be adapted. But the goal of all ketoers is to be adapted in order to get all the health benefits. Your body switches over its hormones to processing fat instead of carbs. The harder and faster you reduce carbs, determines how quickly you adapt.
#2 All the time. There is a "goldilocks" amount of electrolytes. For Magnesium, enough to keep your legs from cramping (charlie horse) but not so much that you get diarrhea. Usually this is 400mg day Mag Citrate (other types have different amounts and absorption rates)
Salt and potassium: enough to not feel dizzy, weak. But not so much that you retain water or get dehydrated.
Different Forms of Magnesium
"Keto-flu" and Sufficient Intake of Electrolytes
Are You Having Charlie horse/leg cramps?
Need Potassium?
#3 If you "carb up" BEFORE a work out, that is a particular Keto Diet. It has a certain amount of carbs and there is a "timing" to it in relation to when you start your workout. You use the carbs for exercise only and "burn" the carbs off. So you are always in ketosis. You never carb up AFTER exercise. This type of Keto diet is called a: SKD, TKD CKD. Here is a site that will explain it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ketogains/wiki/index#wiki_skd.2C_tkd.2C_ckd_-_what.2C_when_and_how.3F
I hope this helps,
Dan the Man from Michigan
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Ok, another one I forgot: I anticipated my skin clearing up even in the first few days, but indeed I've gotten at least a couple new zits. Is this from female hormones or are my hormones possibly just in crazy places right now from the new diet? If so then why aren't I more emotionally unstable?0
