The Carnivore Credo
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"testicular fortitude"....love it
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Meh. I love my vegetables. I have to have some. And I'm doing keto, so I can't just go whole hog (literally) and do fat and protein only. I don't NEED that much protein (no one really needs more than a minimum amount). and I only eat the lowest carb variety of vegetables, or use minimal amounts of the others for seasoning (onion, tomato) staying away from peas, potatoes, and corn. I mostly do not eat carrots (I've had a tiny handful shredded into some crackslaw - that was spread across 6 servings). I'm not a giant fan of the taste of protein (you know what I mean---it's that musky/gamey taste that you can get from eggs, pork, beef, etc. occasionally) so I love cooking main dishes where meat is the co-star with low-carb veg, cooked in fat like butter or bacon grease, or else it's sort of lean and I get my fats for the rest of the day from olive or coconut oil, nuts, avocados. I'm hitting my macros almost exactly every day this way, and I refuse to give up veg. I have no tummy or digestive troubles from crucifers, lettuces/mesclun or other greens, cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, rabe/rapini, kale, etc., and I'm certain most of the folks who say they have issues with them just don't eat them enough. /soapbox.1
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Meh. I love my vegetables. I have to have some. And I'm doing keto, so I can't just go whole hog (literally) and do fat and protein only. I don't NEED that much protein (no one really needs more than a minimum amount). and I only eat the lowest carb variety of vegetables, or use minimal amounts of the others for seasoning (onion, tomato) staying away from peas, potatoes, and corn. I mostly do not eat carrots (I've had a tiny handful shredded into some crackslaw - that was spread across 6 servings). I'm not a giant fan of the taste of protein (you know what I mean---it's that musky/gamey taste that you can get from eggs, pork, beef, etc. occasionally) so I love cooking main dishes where meat is the co-star with low-carb veg, cooked in fat like butter or bacon grease, or else it's sort of lean and I get my fats for the rest of the day from olive or coconut oil, nuts, avocados. I'm hitting my macros almost exactly every day this way, and I refuse to give up veg. I have no tummy or digestive troubles from crucifers, lettuces/mesclun or other greens, cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, rabe/rapini, kale, etc., and I'm certain most of the folks who say they have issues with them just don't eat them enough. /soapbox.
No reason to give up veggies if they agree with you.
But my veggie issues don't come from not eating enough of them. I LIKE those veggies. They just don't like me as much... I type this as I sit with a gut ache from the yummy broccoli and cheese casserole I had at dinner. It was yummy, but ouch.
Apples and pears don't like me either. I don't know what I ever did to them to deserve their ire....
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No reason to give up veggies if they agree with you.
But my veggie issues don't come from not eating enough of them. I LIKE those veggies. They just don't like me as much... I type this as I sit with a gut ache from the yummy broccoli and cheese casserole I had at dinner. It was yummy, but ouch.
Apples and pears don't like me either. I don't know what I ever did to them to deserve their ire....
I am slowly realizing that the whole of the cabbage family of veggies really hate me - sad news for a low carber since they are such staples to the LC WOE. Broccoli is about the only one that DOESN'T leave me with pains and gas and diarrhea, and even that I have to moderate or I will cross the line. I still record my food intake and as such have noticed a definite trend toward fewer and fewer veggies, with ever decreasing serving sizes. I'm going to have to give this carnivorous eating idea a lot more thought!3 -
No reason to give up veggies if they agree with you.
But my veggie issues don't come from not eating enough of them. I LIKE those veggies. They just don't like me as much... I type this as I sit with a gut ache from the yummy broccoli and cheese casserole I had at dinner. It was yummy, but ouch.
Apples and pears don't like me either. I don't know what I ever did to them to deserve their ire....
I am slowly realizing that the whole of the cabbage family of veggies really hate me - sad news for a low carber since they are such staples to the LC WOE. Broccoli is about the only one that DOESN'T leave me with pains and gas and diarrhea, and even that I have to moderate or I will cross the line. I still record my food intake and as such have noticed a definite trend toward fewer and fewer veggies, with ever decreasing serving sizes. I'm going to have to give this carnivorous eating idea a lot more thought!
The carnviorous diet likes me. I felt fine on it, but I missed the veggies. The more I cut them back, the better my stomach seems to be. I just have a hard time cutting them out.1 -
@FIT_Goat
I was reading your calorie post in the launch pad, plus I'm reading GOod calories, Bad calories so yesterday, I was all pumped up, like, I'm just going to let nature take its course here...and lo and behold, I didn't even eat my goal hahaha! Super good experiment, and I do believe that I eventually won't need to log anymore, and my obsession with calories is as bad as my obsession can be with the scale. I'm going by @Sunny_Bunny__ philosophy, so I don't need to anguish over figures this time, because she's done it for me...I'm just going to trust my body to do what it does. Thank you both, and all the other members who took me by the hand @baconslave, it's so helpful to actually LISTEN AND PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE WHO ARE/HAVE FOUND SUCCESS. You get my drift there, right?
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SuperCarLori wrote: »@FIT_Goat
I was reading your calorie post in the launch pad, plus I'm reading GOod calories, Bad calories so yesterday, I was all pumped up, like, I'm just going to let nature take its course here...and lo and behold, I didn't even eat my goal hahaha! Super good experiment, and I do believe that I eventually won't need to log anymore, and my obsession with calories is as bad as my obsession can be with the scale. I'm going by @Sunny_Bunny__ philosophy, so I don't need to anguish over figures this time, because she's done it for me...I'm just going to trust my body to do what it does. Thank you both, and all the other members who took me by the hand @baconslave, it's so helpful to actually LISTEN AND PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE WHO ARE/HAVE FOUND SUCCESS. You get my drift there, right? just..thank you.
I missed this when it first got posted. I am so happy that you found the calories tend to watch themselves. It is scary, but also a little magical. LOL
I just reread this whole thread. I am satisfied with the OP. There were later comments that could be added to it, but the thread as a whole does a fine job of getting the main idea across.
As for the random secret, I mention in the middle, I did post about it somewhere. But, I can repeat it here. I have become a volunteer firefighter for my county. Still (even now) a lowly trainee and grunt. Lol, but it is awesome and a childhood dream that I was never fit enough to do before eating this way. The way I eat isn't exactly something I bring up around the department. So, meals can get tricky. I try and schedule my ride-alongs and volunteer time away from meals. But, sometimes I have been called in and been there when we ate. I focused on the meat and just didn't eat much. Said I had plans with my wife for later. I did eat rice, once, with curried shrimp and a thumb-sized bite of fried plantains. No regrets there. Lol, it was tasty.
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Maybe this falls into the "seasoning" category, but I am a Texan which means jalapeño goes with anything. I have said for years (possibly decades now) that there are 3 foods that make anything better - bacon, cheese and jalapeños. Garlic is very close to being an addition to this list.6
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cstehansen wrote: »Maybe this falls into the "seasoning" category, but I am a Texan which means jalapeño goes with anything. I have said for years (possibly decades now) that there are 3 foods that make anything better - bacon, cheese and jalapeños. Garlic is very close to being an addition to this list.
Garlic is very "carby" so I watch that pretty closely. Jalapenos are something that I will sometimes have, as I like spice, but not too many. The fiber and the oil combined do a number on the going out. I prefer to get most of my heat from hot sauces. But, yeah, they are fine. I doubt people eat a salad bowl worth of jalapenos.
Note: I wouldn't count stuffed jalapenos here. Eating 6+ whole peppers worth of them (even filled with cheese), is beyond the point of seasoning. I am talking a few slices on top of ground beef or something like that.1 -
I have always known that my body likes meat more than anything else. Eat a steak- instant energy. Eat pasta- instant nap. Keto was an attractive WOE because these are the foods I like anyway.3
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For the past 48 hours, I've eaten nothing but fatty meat. A side of guac and some salsa. Idk what it is, considering I eat VLC already and already fat adapted, but my pee smells so strong and my breath is kickin.. just like when I first started keto. I do feel a little different in regards to mood. I've been depressed for the past few months and today I feel...mentally lighter?
To all the carnivore eaters: how has eating an all meat diet made you feel vs eating LCHF? Do you cook your own meat or is it okay to buy prepared meat from the local grocery store or restaurant? Is eating a side of broccoli illegal on an all meat diet? How many veggies or carbs are considered ok?
ETA: Do you still count calories on an all meat diet?1 -
LolaDeeDaisy23 wrote: »For the past 48 hours, I've eaten nothing but fatty meat. A side of guac and some salsa. Idk what it is, considering I eat VLC already and already fat adapted, but my pee smells so strong and my breath is kickin.. just like when I first started keto. I do feel a little different in regards to mood. I've been depressed for the past few months and today I feel...mentally lighter?
To all the carnivore eaters: how has eating an all meat diet made you feel vs eating LCHF? Do you cook your own meat or is it okay to buy prepared meat from the local grocery store or restaurant? Is eating a side of broccoli illegal on an all meat diet? How many veggies or carbs are considered ok?
ETA: Do you still count calories on an all meat diet?
You can buy prepared meat if you need to. Even stuff from fast food if there's a need.
I only feel different as far as digestion goes. Veggies tend to constipate me and I feel bloated and heavy in my gut. I can handle broccoli or other green veg a few times a week as long as I don't over do it. I guess it's cheating, but I just do what works for me and don't stress possible rules. I still use romain leaves as taco shells and can't say no to a roasted pepper with cheese and as long as my portions are smaller, it doesn't cause me belly issues so I eat it.
You will want to cook a good amount of your food because it's best not to eat everything cooked to death and I don't trust a medium rare burger from many places. You'll get more nutrients from food that's not overcooked.
And I stopped counting calories when I started carnivore. I had already stopped losing weight months prior anyway so I just went for it and I'm still the same weight. However I'm not the same size, so I don't feel calorie counting is something I need to do anymore.2 -
Do you cook your own meat or is it okay to buy prepared meat from the local grocery store or restaurant?
The majority of my meat is cooked at home. I know how much of what seasoning I put on it. I know it wasn't cooked in vegetable oil. I also can cook it as I like. I prefer my steak really, really rare (essentially raw). I find it hard to get steak cooked right when I eat out.
I will buy meat when eating out. I even get dry rubbed ribs, when eating out. The amount of potential seasonings and hidden carbs is not significant considering how rarely I do it. Fast food burger patties are a quick go-to, when I am out and about. I will eat basically any simple meat product. I always order my eggs such that they arrive unscrambled (poached, over-medium, etc.) because I don't trust liquid eggs to not have flour.
But, meat is meat. I ask what it's cooked with/in and usually don't have any problems. I will look at nutrition information to check to make sure there's not a lot of carbs (which means bad fillers). I will buy brats and sausages, so long as they're less then 2g of carbs per 4 oz.
Yes. Although, illegal is a strong word. All veggies are out.Is eating a side of broccoli illegal on an all meat diet?
No veggies. We don't count carbs from animal sources. So, egg carbs don't matter, seafood carbs are fine, etc. In practice, you will usually end up under 5g without any issues. I frequently am so close to 0g that there's no practical difference between it and 1g.How many veggies or carbs are considered ok?ETA: Do you still count calories on an all meat diet?
You can. I don't. Most don't.
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To all the carnivore eaters: how has eating an all meat diet made you feel vs eating LCHF?
I saved this for a different post. It may be long. I should make it clear that LCHF alleviated many of what I considered my health problems (weight and migraines). I thought I was really healthy when I started.
I had no idea. I mean, literally, no idea how much more I had wrong with me. I warn you, not all of the following are nice.- Suddenly, I no longer fart. I have no gas. I don't gurgle or growl.
- I don't get cramps or stomach pain any more. I don't feel "icky" or heavy.
- I don't have hemorrhoids anymore, or at least all symptoms of them are alleviated and cause me no issues.
- My weight control is pretty much effortless, and I eat a lot! I measured and tracked my calories and was amazed at how much I could eat without gaining weight. It is almost as if the amount I eat doesn't matter. Eating more or less doesn't seem to change my scale in any dramatic sense.
- I am more confident in my physical health. I know what I can currently do, and I am confident that I can gain the strength or ability to do almost anything.
- I don't have allergies anymore. I used to be on a daily med, and that just kept things bearable. Now, I never take it and have no issues at all.
- My hair and nails are flippin' ridiculous. I hate how thick and quick my hair grows in. I seem to need a haircut all the time, and clippers jam in my mop. My nails grow in thick and quick as well.
- I get hungry, but I can wait to eat for incredible amounts of time. I will know that I *could* eat, but never feel anxious about needing to eat soon. Then, I may eat two pounds of meat at a single sitting (which can get some stares when out), and not eat for another day. No stress about when food is coming. Generally, I try and eat at least twice a day.
- I don't get tempted by foods that are off my plan. When doing LCHF, I found the sweeteners made my want more and more all the time.
- Nuts. I love nuts. They don't love me. They tear me up. I overeat them. They are bad news for me. Nuts are a strict "no" food for me.
- No tonsil stones. Those stinky white "rocks" some people get. I used to get them all the time. Not any more.
- Steady, constant energy. LCHF was pretty good for this, but carnivore is insane. I just always seem to have more reserves. I have hit a wall once, I blame it on heat exhaustion though. I was training in full gear in July, my legs just gave out after the third rotation and 40 minutes in the gear. I was extremely over-heated. It was not a shock, really, they have spotters next to you the entire time because people do drop while doing it.
- Speaking of which, aside from that time, my heat tolerance is way up. Not sure if that's meat based, but it works for me.
- There's probably more, but this is off the top of my head.
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I'd forgotten about this thread! (but not why I'm not a carnivore!!
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cstehansen wrote: »Maybe this falls into the "seasoning" category, but I am a Texan which means jalapeño goes with anything. I have said for years (possibly decades now) that there are 3 foods that make anything better - bacon, cheese and jalapeños. Garlic is very close to being an addition to this list.
Garlic is very "carby" so I watch that pretty closely. Jalapenos are something that I will sometimes have, as I like spice, but not too many. The fiber and the oil combined do a number on the going out. I prefer to get most of my heat from hot sauces. But, yeah, they are fine. I doubt people eat a salad bowl worth of jalapenos.
Note: I wouldn't count stuffed jalapenos here. Eating 6+ whole peppers worth of them (even filled with cheese), is beyond the point of seasoning. I am talking a few slices on top of ground beef or something like that.
I probably have more than a few slices. I had two whole fresh ones as part of my lunch. I do like sauces - especially Cholula in multiple varieties. But I have to say I prefer peppers fresh - jalapeño, habenero and Serrano are my favorites but also like cayenne and Thai quite a bit.1 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I'd forgotten about this thread! (but not why I'm not a carnivore!! )
I've just seen this thread for the first time...and I'm happy I'm not a carnivore
(Although - on some days, if I'd just drop my carbs by another 10g, I would be considered as such. But I don't enjoy meat that much.)3 -
Need to eat alone or convince my gf to stop giving me all the other stuff.
Made a lunch of 350g rib steak and 1/4 cup of onions sautéed in bacon fat.
She thought the meat should have been 3 lunches and I needed pasta with it.
Tough to convince some people.
She wants to lose 40 pounds too, but can't get her head around LCHF.3 -
SuperCarLori wrote: »@FIT_Goat
I was reading your calorie post in the launch pad, plus I'm reading GOod calories, Bad calories so yesterday, I was all pumped up, like, I'm just going to let nature take its course here...and lo and behold, I didn't even eat my goal hahaha! Super good experiment, and I do believe that I eventually won't need to log anymore, and my obsession with calories is as bad as my obsession can be with the scale. I'm going by @Sunny_Bunny__ philosophy, so I don't need to anguish over figures this time, because she's done it for me...I'm just going to trust my body to do what it does. Thank you both, and all the other members who took me by the hand @baconslave, it's so helpful to actually LISTEN AND PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE WHO ARE/HAVE FOUND SUCCESS. You get my drift there, right? just..thank you.
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I like how my first comment a year ago was how I wasn't sure I could eat like a carnivore and while I have bent the rules or rather pushed my luck with small amounts of veggies at times, I'm eating that way and feeling better than ever.
I've really gotten more strict this month. Not pushing my luck and naturally not having those occasional tummy aches that veggies tend to give me.
Anyway, I had a recent rebuttal to the statement I made about meat being able to provide all the essential nutrients we need. It was in the food thread and wasn't the place to discuss it.
Anyway, I still stand by that. You don't NEED vegetables to be nutritionally healthy.
There was a link in earlier pages of this thread where supporting info can be found.
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I've been curious about this @Sunny_Bunnie . Have you forever had stomach issues and bowel issues eating vegetables or did this just start after/during eating keto to lose weight?0
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What about dairy on a carnivore diet? @FIT_Goat I can't eat nuts or seeds either...I wind up eating mindlessly. Sighs.1
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Oops,my bad. I started reading AFTER I posted above question.0
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SuperCarLori wrote: »What about dairy on a carnivore diet? @FIT_Goat I can't eat nuts or seeds either...I wind up eating mindlessly. Sighs.SuperCarLori wrote: »Oops,my bad. I started reading AFTER I posted above question.
I love dairy. One of my favorite meals is ground beef with cream cheese and shredded cheese melted in. My wife considers it the most disgusting looking "goop" she's ever seen. I can eat a fair amount of cheese and sour cream, when it's around. I avoid buying dairy, most of the time, because I have self-control issues with it and it causes weight gain or slows my losses, if I was trying to lose.
If you're just trying it out and find yourself bored or craving some cheese or other dairy, have some. You can always try later for a time doing it without dairy. The initial mental *shock* of not eating any plants is hard enough to get over. We did have a time where I did 30 days of just ground beef, and unexpectedly lost weight without trying because of the complete lack of dairy. So, it's certainly a factor for some people (myself included). But, it's an allowable food.3 -
I think "Meativore May" should definitely be a thing here. Of course, there's nothing from stopping people from having a "F---* Flora February" if they don't want to wait.
* F--- = Forget, of course.
Well I'd be in...a year later. I do have two boxes of half and half to use up, but that's not really stopping me, is it?
Gaaaah. I also have these avocados. I think I'll give it a shot on grocery day next week. I hate wasting food, but I might need to toss the peanuts and seeds....
You guys know I change my mind at the drop of a hat, so don't hold it against me.1 -
Oh, and congratulations on the firefighting! High five!0
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SuperCarLori wrote: »What about dairy on a carnivore diet? @FIT_Goat I can't eat nuts or seeds either...I wind up eating mindlessly. Sighs.
Even in puréed (butter) or toasted form? Cooked in keto soup?0 -
SuperCarLori wrote: »What about dairy on a carnivore diet? @FIT_Goat I can't eat nuts or seeds either...I wind up eating mindlessly. Sighs.
Even in puréed (butter) or toasted form? Cooked in keto soup?
After all my holiday mishaps and how hard it is to stop at the little teeny serving size of them, I need to get them away from me. It's like trying keep a little crack in the house.
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I'm totally on board for a "meat reset" after I get blood drawn mid-February (said tests are diet-sensitive and require eating certain foods). In fact, I'm quite looking forward to it. I miss throwing some ground bison in a skillet and calling it the bulk of my food for the day.1
